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Sorry, but today this section no longer exists. Thank you. Trackteur (talk) 10:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Archive search header is misleading

Your archive box is misleading and you should remove it. You've blanked your talk page instead of archiving it. You're allowed to do that but to put an archive search box there implies that your archives exist. The Dissident Aggressor 16:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, the content is still here... just invisible. The old material was included as an invalid parameter of the Archive box template. Since the parameter is invalid, the Wiki software doesn't know what to do with it so it doesn't render it... but neither does it disappear. Whether this was an accident or deliberate, I don't know. Just click the "edit source" tab for this talk page and you'll see all the old contents within the Archive box template. – JBarta (talk) 17:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, not only has nothing been deleted, most of it is now in twice (+80kB). Trackteur, would you like some help archiving? SpinningSpark 17:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help, i already asked this day (16:58, 8 December 2014‎) at Yunshui, for this error. Trackteur (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. SpinningSpark 19:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Lede

With lede refs, as here, we don't need them as long as you put them with the appropriate text in the body. --Epeefleche (talk) 08:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Appropriate text is one to three million copies. Trackteur (talk) 09:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Details of weapons

Please don't delete the simple descriptions of what these weapons are (eg. "assault rifle", "rocket launcher", "submachine gun") from the Charlie Hebdo shootings article. Most readers are not arms experts, and it's unreasonable to expect them to click on the description of a weapon to find out what kind of weapon it is. For most purposes, they only want to know what kind of weapon these are, and putting it in inline text suffices. If they want full details, then that's when they can click on the link and go to the full article. -- The Anome (talk) 16:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not share your point of view, these details override unnecessarily introducing this article. Trackteur (talk) 16:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know: I can see we both agree we disagree on this, and we can't go on reverting one another, so I suggest we let the community decide on either which is better, or some sort of compromise. I've started a discussion of this on the talk page at Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting#Removal of simple inline descriptions of weapons. -- The Anome (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Skorpion vs. AK-47

The source cited says "The weapons seen in various images of the attackers include a variant of the famous AK47; a Czech-made sub-machine gun called a Scorpion; several Russian-designed Tokarev TT pistols and a grenade or rocket launcher — probably the Yugoslav M80 Zolja."[1] This is not saying that the Skorpion is the AK-47 variant. Look at the picture in the cited source, and in particular where the magazine is located on the weapon. On the Skorpion, it's situated toward the front of the weapon; on the AK-47, and on the weapon in the image, it's situated toward the rear. The weapon depicted in the photo is clearly not a Skorpion. -- The Anome (talk) 17:14, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You keep on removing mention of the AK-47 as being uncited. Please note that this is cited in the reference given in the article which you can also find given directly above in my previous comment, which handily also contains an image of one of the terrorists holding an AK-47-type rifle that looks nothing like the Skorpion, a short-barrelled submachine gun which is not a variant of the long-barrelled AK-47 assault rifle.

If you want more cites for usage of the AK-47, try these:

...and I can give many more, if needed.

Please take this to the Talk:Charlie Hebdo shooting article talk page if you disagree with me, instead just repeatedly removing stuff from the article without discussion. -- The Anome (talk) 19:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

January 2015

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Why? Seriously, Why?

Please explain what the point of this is. I cannot comprehend why anyone would include such a detail in the lead. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 14:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a clear and consistent information to wikilink. Trackteur (talk) 14:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was clear and consistent before. Now please answer the question. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 14:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

and more accurate for readers. Trackteur (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, actually, it's not in the least more "accurate", it's merely more long-windedly and pointlessly precise at the expense of readability and and at the expense of getting to the point. Seriously, Tracteur, this is an issue of prose quality, readability, and getting to the point. This is a detail that is out of scope for the lead. Please, please try to understand. What you're doing is headache-inducing. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 14:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, do you just not know how to write? Stop with the reverting already. You're damaging the article Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 15:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC).[reply]
- And there you go again. You are absolutely unbelievable. You are butchering the article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 15:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Stop it, Tractuer. Your edits are incompetent. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 15:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bjelleklang:: could you please look into the fact that the moment Trackteur got off his block he made the same edit that get him blocked in the first place, this time with no edit summary? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 20:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The linked article name is DARPA. Stop changing the accepted article names. Kbrose (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, thank you. I think it's better now. Trackteur (talk) 09:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't 3RR again

Trackteur, your edit to Charlie Hebdo shooting was wrong in every way: the English was broken, it was incompetently overwritten, it had a cite in the lead that wasn't in the body, and it had information that wasn't in the body. Stop breaking the article. You've just come off a two-week block for this, and you're in the middle of another edit war at ARPANET. You will be blocked again, and not for only two weeks. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 09:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Piping redirects

Hi Trackteur. Don't do this. See WP:NOTBROKEN. Links through redirects are not a problem, and don't need to be "fixed". Links through redirects are generally preferable to piped links.--Srleffler (talk) 03:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Srleffler, we must also think about the readers the meaning of an acronym is not always known by all. Trackteur (talk) 08:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. The pop-up "International system of units" when hovering over the link is useful, without cluttering the article by spelling out the acronym.--Srleffler (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy and precision

Trackteur, I've already linked you to Accuracy and precision before. Please read it. These kinds of edits do not benefit the reader, and are not more accurate. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Curly Turkey, thank you for that link, although in the specific case mentioned article Charlie Hebdo issue No. 1178 it seems completely irrelevant and if I made a mistake in reading the reference, thank you for letting me know. Trackteur (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it's completely irrelevent, then you haven't read the article well. The edit you made was unhelpful. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:EGG, Trackteur. Readers who see a link to French press expect to see an article on the French press, not a list of publications. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I found a more appropriate link. Linking to the list of publications was not a total Easter egg, and was probably better than no link at all.--Srleffler (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Srleffler: It's no a better link, Charlie Hebdo, is not listed in your link. Trackteur (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why should it be? The article links directly to Charlie Hebdo anyways! Regardless, linking "French press" to a list of publications is inapproropriate because it defies reader expectations. If you want to link to a list of French publications, put it in a "See also" section". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 11:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tracteur, I find your reversion bizarre. Linking to Printing is completely worthless in that context. The link I made, on the other hand, was topically relevant. A reader clicking on "French press" should not be presumed to be particularly interested in learning more about Charlie Hebdo, but rather should be presumed to want to know more about the French press. The link to Media of France#Newspapers that you removed was on-topic and appropriate. You seem not to understand that the purpose of a hyperlink is to provide more information on the specific phrase that is linked.--Srleffler (talk) 04:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Srleffler: See comments of Curly Turkey: French press does not need to be linked, and in my opinion print media simply wants to make a distinction between the written press and other types of media. Trackteur (talk) 07:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If "French press" is going to be linked, Media of France#Newspapers is perhaps too narrow, as it excludes magazines. I doubt it needs to be linked anyways. The best solution would be for someone to create a French press article. nbsp;¡gobble! 07:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Curly Turkey: I agree with you, but now French press is an article with an title neologism. As you have already criticized me: my English is poor enough to proceed to the renaming of the existing and create new article. Trackteur (talk) 07:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Such neologisms aren't always a problem—sometimes a notable subject doesn't have an agreed-upon name, so Wikipedia has to make up a neutral, descriptive title. there are lots of titles like this, for example for murdrers: Murder of Joanna Yeates, Murder of Julia Martha Thomas, Murder of Leigh Leigh ... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 07:45, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not a neologism—that is the name by which this device is commonly known in North America.--Srleffler (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Srleffler: Thanks, I agree with you for U.S. and Canada, because I have read this article , section Nomenclature, which is also not very fully informed (Spanish = Cafetera de émbolo). Trackteur (talk) 07:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MKS system of units

Trackteur, you make many edits and occasionally other editors will find that you have made a mistake. Please relax and do not insist on perpetuating your errors, going so far as to introduce similar errors into other articles to justify them, as you have with MKS system of units and then Giovanni Giorgi. At the very least, please respect WP:BRD, discuss your edits and leave time for our fellow editors to join the discussion. NebY (talk) 12:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NebY:: This is the case, see my answer on the talk page. For Giovanni Giorgi, it's a other problem, several corrections are necessary. Trackteur (talk) 12:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International System of Units

Once again, please don't edit-war as you have been doing lately at International System of Units. Even if you don't accept that you may not have quite as much experience in writing about metrology, even if you wish to persist despite being reverted, respect WP:BRD and discuss it. If you're not ready to discuss it, leave the revert in place. It is after all quite unnecessary to keep qualifying words and phrases with "SI" and "metric" when the very article concerns SI and the wider metric system. NebY (talk) 19:22, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Engage the discussion on the dedicated page, if you wish, my corrections are with direct links and in first point try to think for readers.Trackteur (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First, please do read WP:BRD. When you have made an edit and it has been reverted, it is your responsibility to open a discussion rather than edit-warring. Second, I am thinking of the readers whereas you appear to be thinking only of unpicking the clear English phrasing of previous editors and replacing the piped text with the linked article titles, even when the full title is inappropriate in the context of the sentence you are editing. The last edits you made at International System of Units [2][3][4] were all of that sort and it is mystifying that you cannot accept that it is time to leave well alone and move on. NebY (talk) 19:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, thank you. I think it's better now. Trackteur (talk) 09:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous edit to Metric prefix

This edit to Metric prefix is in error because it fails to distinguish between all metric prefixes and those metric prefixes which were selected to be part of SI For example, myria- and demi- are metric prefixes which were not adopted for SI. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edits are still misleading. Discuss at [[Talk:Metric prefix#Misleading edit]. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Piping redirects, again

I've reverted you again at Gaussian beam. Don't change link targets just to avoid a redirect, and never pipe a link to avoid a redirect. The guidelines on this are clear. See WP:NOTBROKEN. You've been told about this before.

Linking both "singular" and "singularity" in the same article is not redundant. The terms are sufficiently different that a reader who is unfamiliar with the concept might not connect the two.--Srleffler (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References vs. Further reading

Re this edit: Stop trying to demote listed references to "further reading". References are materials that were consulted in preparing the article. "Further reading" identifies other useful materials that the reader might be interested in, but which are not specifically sources for the material in the article. It is never acceptable to change references into a "further reading" list as you are trying to do. See WP:APPENDIX and WP:FNNR specifically for more information on articles that have both "notes" and "references" sections, and WP:FURTHER for information on "Further reading" lists. Note that general references are explicitly not supposed to be in a "Further reading" section.

It appears that you are confused by the unusual referencing style used in this article. Unlike most articles, which use footnotes that contain the citation, this article uses footnotes that refer to citations by author name (as in Harvard or Vancouver style referencing), with the citations themselves then listed in alphabetical order by author. Per WP:CITEVAR, different articles can use different referencing styles, and we must maintain the original style used in an article.

The above is not affected by the fact that some of the references in the article are not formatted consistently with the original ones. If you want to modify the misformatted references to make them consistent with the original referencing scheme, go ahead. The edits I reverted did nothing to make the article more consistent.--Srleffler (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, thank you. I think it's better now. Trackteur (talk) 15:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Undiscussed rename of Chapelcross nuclear power station

Please comment at Talk:Chapelcross_nuclear_power_plant#Rename.3F. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:01, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Trackteur (talk) 11:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@DES, KGirlTrucker87, if my blocking is justified by edit warring, thank you to blocked also the contributor Andy Dingley which largely led to this situation, see his attitude, for example, on the Water turbine (see history) or its harassment between me and Tobias Conradi (Wikipedia: Sock Puppet investigations / Tobias Conradi, from 25 to 27 March 2016). Thank you to read the list of its interventions concerning my modifications since March 25, 2016. Thank you for your attention. Trackteur (talk) 08:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

An SPI that you never even commented upon, and an ANEW post that you never commented upon. From your behaviour I still believe that you're Tobias Conradi. Even without this though, other independent editors and admins saw fit to block you at ANEW. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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