Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Yakima shooting

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Yakima shooting

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WP:NOTNEWS. Not a very notable shooting with only three deaths. With the shooter also dead, there is no real possibility of the case being significantly revisited by way of something like a trial. Love of Corey (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete per above. Is there perhaps a list into which this could be merged? An anonymous username, not my real name 04:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I know of. Love of Corey (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, the motive is still being investigated, seems too soon to delete this without knowing what authorities may say on that front. —Locke Cole • t • c 05:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also, consider WP:NTEMP per all the sources below. —Locke Cole • t • c 20:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per further discussion below and misapplication of WP:NOTNEWS, and my prior weak keep comments about the ongoing investigation. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Washington. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete News of only local note. WP:NOTNEWS. Nate • (chatter) 18:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MrSchimpf: News of only local note.
—Locke Cole • t • c 19:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wire services exist and often copy the same AP report over and over again with light differentiation between each source, as done here. Also we don't allow the Daily Mail. Also 'source dump' AfD votes without any comment are usually dismissed outright by most AfD participants, as they add nothing to the discussion other than the opposite of WP:HEY. Nate • (chatter) 20:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I've read all those articles, and in addition to completely different authors in the six I just spot checked, they also have different information and levels of detail (and very different layout/formatting). Regardless, your claim of "news of only local note" has been refuted. If you have another reason to delete, by all means state it, but don't try to !vote with something as easy to refute and as absurd as that, thanks. —Locke Cole • t • c 20:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it's put on a national news site doesn't clinch WP:N; this needs long and sustaining coverage to remain, and as described by the nom, that will not occur as the original suspect is deceased. One surge of coverage from news organizations merely noting it and moving on does not satisfy WP:GNG for me, and I will continue to argue NOTNEWS for editors just here to alarm by clogging en.wiki with every crime with death they find just to claim article creation milestones nobody else cares about and just to be WP:POINTy. Nate • (chatter) 00:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will continue to argue NOTNEWS for editors just here to alarm by clogging en.wiki with every crime with death they find just to claim article creation milestones nobody else cares about and just to be WP:POINTy WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND is that way. I didn't create this article, and your !vote just to spite the people you apparently detest is noted. As to your earlier comments, WP:NTEMP is right there: notability is not temporary. You might want to give WP:GNG another read, because this article easily ticks off every single box there, and we don't delete articles on the basis of WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a place for this...it's called WikiNews. It'll be just fine there, but we have this category of editors who are just here to add every miserable crime they can find to en.wiki, notable or not, just to up their numbers. And you're right; I don't like these articles, because they aren't encyclopedic and just here to push an agenda about crime being horrible and everywhere, when it isn't. I stand by my vote! and have been here eighteen years with a focus on a quality encyclopedia, not one filled with everyday crime that is only noticed in a morning news rundown and no further nationally. I will no longer respond to your scolding because there are more important things to do here than argue a local news story's notability. Nate • (chatter) 19:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Plenty of RS coverage, and people citing NOTNEWS really need to read what it actually says; it's much more applicable as an argument in support of keeping this. Jclemens (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kind of makes me want to write WP:NOTNOTNEWS (ala WP:NOTNOTMEMORIAL and WP:NOTBLP1E)... the whole WP:NOT gets so much abuse from people shoehorning into things it clearly isn't meant for. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Shootings in the US are, alas, becoming commonplace and frequent. There's nothing special about this one. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I see no evidence that this crime will have lasting impact or informational value. All of the articles cited are within a day or two of the shooting, after which it was pretty much forgotten. In fact, a search on "Yakima shooting" reveals shootings other than this one, making this one rather pedestrian. I'm sorry for the folks who are killed or wounded but honestly, there are a couple of these a day in this damned country. We can't fill WP with them, and I do not understand the interest in doing so. Lamona (talk) 20:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mainly keep. According to Stanford and Mother Jones, a mass shooting is a shooting that occurs in one place that leaves three or more people dead, not counting the perpetrator(s). Shootings associated with organized crime, gang violence, drug wars, armed robberies, or any other thing that is "conventionally motivated" don't count. If what happened in Yakima counts, then it should stay up. 2600:6C52:4C40:E77:F17D:8A6B:279B:FE3E (talk) 01:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Only in America, of all countries in the western world, would a murder be dismissed as a "shooting with only three deaths"! How very sad. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:30, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, and basically per WP:BLP1E. This received news coverage due to its shock value, but in the scheme of things is a relatively minor event. No objection to merging to an appropriate article on mass shootings in the United States in 2023. BD2412 T 06:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.