Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Augusta Exchange (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Augusta Exchange

Non-notable (outside of local contexts) strip mall, albeit a large (80-acre) one. Tagged with Notability tag, but doubt this is salvagable. Google News hits are almost entirely all from local media, which do not automatically fufill Notability guidelines. As is, article consists mainly of a list of tenants & laundry list of former tenants. wikignome431 (talk) 15:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. —wikignome431 (talk) 15:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I see nothing in WP:N that prevents local media from establishing notability. Sure, a common sense approach would give it less weight, but if the local media stories are significant and numerous enough I see no reason not to include it. JulesH (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Had to hunt down where I had read that... it actually is at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. (Assuming privately-owned shopping center developments count as a "company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service", which maybe they do not) If you go by the Google News hits, most of the hits are by local news media. There are at least 1-2 hits by non-local newspapers/etc, but those only mention Augusta Exchange as an incidental (see guideline linked above) mention, in reporting similar projects. The best source that this article can hang its notability may be the "Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News" hits, but many of these are about stores that are opening and closing, which just happen to be at the shopping center (which may or may not count as an incidental mention, depending on your viewpoint). The question is what is the bar for a shopping center being "notable". This is just another suburban American strip mall. It is notable locally as being the largest such strip mall complex in its metro area, but WP is not a compendium of all things locally-notable in a particular metro area. wikignome431 (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - How big is your Local? If something is notable to British readers, but not Canadians, should we AFD it? Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 05:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- I'm not sure why this large shopping center wouldn't be kept along the lines of malls such as the Augusta Mall. Sure, the thing isn't under one roof, but I believe it has nearly as many stores and certainly has more square feet than the Mall. I'm from the area and can attest that there was a ton of coverage about this shopping center being built in local media since people didn't want the area where it was constructed to be bulldozed. I could go find some references for that, but I'm not sure that would assuage the fears about lack of non-local media. It's been covered mostly by local media, but heavily and deeply covered, indicating its notability within the community. SMSpivey (talk) 06:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If it actually is the largest mall in the area, then that's a fact worth noting. Personally, I'd treat it like I'd treat a school with WP:BEEFSTEW (nothing official). It contains significant non-trivial information in the article without being overly promotional, so I don't see any problems. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep because the effects on the community referenced by SMSpivey go beyond the purely routine business transactions of a non-notable local business. If anyone wants to insist on non-local coverage per WP:CORP, the Knight-Ridder articles could be added in (I planned to do that but gave up). Baileypalblue (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW Augusta Mall claims to be the largest mall in the Augusta area/have more footage. Baileypalblue (talk) 12:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (again) - Nom is relying on the non-existant Local clause of WP:N. Enough WP:RS's present to satisfy Notability concerns. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 05:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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