Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DHS media monitoring services

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The result was No consensus. ~ GB fan 19:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DHS media monitoring services

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This borders on a conspiracy theory, ref-bombed with the same news story being reported in many sources. The database mentioned doesn't appear to exist yet. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:34, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - On what grounds is this being nominated for deletion? There is extensive, continued coverage (what you describe as "ref-bomb") since the initial announcement by most major media outlets, with most coverage being critical. If you had read any of the sources, the coverage is for a contract to build the media monitoring service...so it is going to be built. As this is one of the largest monitoring solutions to be built, it is notable in that light alone.MagnaFerrum1 (talk) 01:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see a lot of WP:CRYSTAL speculation, and a lot of the same news article ([1] [2] [3] are all basically the same and based on a single Bloomberg report), and coverage of DHS denials, but nothing more. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL refers to unsourced material. Per your nomination, the article was "ref-bombed" by a number of sources, covering the topic. A number of source have their own opinions/view on the topic. The topic has received extensive global coverage in part due to it's timing near the Facebook Zuckerberg hearing. While there is currently limited material for the topic, it is properly sourced, and being a stub is not a valid cause for deletion.

Coverage:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dhs-compile-database-journalists-bloggers/, Snopes
"Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers". Bloomberg. April 5, 2018.
Fabio, Michelle (April 6, 2018). "Department Of Homeland Security Compiling Database Of Journalists And 'Media Influencers'". Forbes.
"DHS defends media-monitoring database, calls critics "conspiracy theorists"". Ars Technica. April 6, 2018.
Fussell, Sidney (April 6, 2018). "Homeland Security Wants to Build an Online 'Media Influence Database' to Track Journalists". Gizmodo.
"Trump's Homeland Security will begin tracking news outlets, journalists and 'social media influencers': report". Raw Story. 7 April 2018.
Herreria, Carla (6 April 2018). "Homeland Security To Compile A Database Of Journalists, Bloggers And Influencers". Huffington Post.
"Homeland Security will start collecting data on hundreds of thousands of journalists". The Week. 6 April 2018.
"'Conspiracy theory'? US Homeland Security wants to track journalists & analyze media 'sentiment'". RT International. April 7, 2018.
"Trump administration planning to 'monitor' journalists and bloggers". ThinkProgress. April 7, 2018.
"Homeland Security database would track bloggers, social media - The proposal could curb fake news, but there's also potential for abuse". Engadget. April 7, 2018.
"US Homeland Security Planning Database to Track Journalists, Monitor 'Sentiment'". Sputnik (news agency). April 7, 2018.
"Department of Homeland Security's Plans for Journalist Database Must be Quashed Immediately - PEN America". PEN America. April 8, 2018.
"Homeland Security wants to track 'media influencers' worldwide". ABA Journal. April 9, 2018.
"The US Department of Homeland Security looks for building a media". thetechnews.com. The TechNews. April 10, 2018.
Laslo, Matt (April 16, 2018). "Commentary: A bigger data threat than Facebook?". U.S. Reuters.
"US government developing database to monitor thousands of newsrooms worldwide". www.pakistantoday.com.pk. Pakistan Today. April 17, 2018.
"Memo to DHS: Track terrorists, not journalists". USA TODAY. April 18, 2018.
"Monitoring the press crosses the line, Big Brother — why journalism matters". AlestleLive. April 17, 2018.
"Is government database a bigger threat than Facebook?". Irish Examiner. 18 April 2018.
"Buffington: Trump vs. the press - Barrow Journal". The Barrow Journal. April 21, 2018.
Rosman, David (Apr 25, 2018). "DAVID ROSMAN: The DHS cannot be allowed to tie the hands of the American press". Columbia Missourian.

There is sufficient coverage to establish topic notability and coverage of the current media sentiment on the media sentiment tracking database. @Power~enwiki:MagnaFerrum1 (talk) 03:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment so WP:CBALL point 5 is closest in relevance, in effect the monitoring being a "product". Thus the key aspect is "short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate.". Number of sources & standard notability are irrelevant - the question is "is there sufficient encyclopedic information?", otherwise we should merge it to the DHS (or related) article. On that, I am unsure - the actual detail on the project is 5 or 6 lines, duplicated source to source, just with some differing viewpoints. Nosebagbear (talk)

Comment However even if I come down in favour of a CRYSTAL violation, this shouldn't have come to AfD, since the content is clearly there - if it can't self-support, yet, then it should be merged with another. There are no grounds for deletion. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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