Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inkey Jones

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I've undone the restoration of redacted comments, because those redacted comments constitute WP:outing. Der yck C. 14:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inkey Jones

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Delete - This article is based around a self-published source. It does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Petergionis (talk) 17:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Intoronto1125 TalkContributions 17:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. 00:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC) • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've just full-protected the page for 24 hours due to edit warring. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This page was vandalised by IPs hopping, after I semi-protected the page, a new user (Petergionis) appeared from nowhere to create the deletion request - since then User:Petergionis has been edit warring as per the IPs. I believe User:Petergionis has some hidden agenda against the subject (it's the only subject (s)he has edited). As for keep/delete - if some of the external links were properly sorted out as in-line links then it probably should stay. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 23:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I've tidied up some of the links, could do with more. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 00:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The references and citations in this article are either self-published sources (Inkey Jones Website link) or make no reference to the subject. The BAFTA link makes no reference to the subject (BAFTA link), nor do the links to Comedy CV (Jaik Campbell), The Dominic Barker Trust or The British Stammering Association. Claims that the subject has worked as an actor are totally unsubstantiated. The Television section of the article claims that the subject has had a 'number of on screen appearances' yet the supporting reference is a minor writing credit with no mention of any on screen appearances. The Film and Presenting sections are completely unsubstantiated. Petergionis (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The user Popetman has only ever edited this article, mostly undoing new contributions. The administrator Ronhjones was enlisted by Popetman to help resist any 'unauthorised' contributions to the article, claiming 'vandalism' every time. The subject has no notability as a comedian (not even listed in the extensive UK comedy database Chortle UK) but is notorious as a comedy promoter. Several users have attempted to contribute information about Inkey Jones' notoriety as comedy promoter but the contributions are always removed by Popetman with help enlisted from Ronhjones. Petergionis (talk) 11:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree I have helped Popetman - that is one of the admin roles - to help users who have problems. Popetman is not trying to keep some authorised version, he has only reverted Original research and negative unreferenced data - he has a conflict of interest, which he does freely admit, that is why he did not participate in the page's creation. This page is not new, it was started on 02:41, 18 November 2007‎ - if it was that bad it would have been deleted long ago. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 19:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - He didn't participate in the creation of the page? The Sj838 created the page and Sj838's user page actually says 'I am Inkey Jones'! The reason the article hasn't been deleted is because the subject has zero notability as a comedian, actor or writer. People only became aware of the page when he gained notoriety as a dubious comedy promoter, which can be supported here - Chortle forums: Inkey Jones Petergionis (talk) 21:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - I said Popetman not User:Sj838. Popetman has never said that they were Inkey Jones. P.S. Nothing we can do can ever completely delete content - it's always there, just removed from public view, but still very traceable. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 21:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - If Popetman is not Inkey Jones, why would he have such an avid interest in protecting the page from simple changes such as adding the subject's real name and DOB, or verifiable negative publicity about his club promotion activities? WP:SPI, I think as part as of the deletion debate, there should be a Sockpuppet Investigation examining Popetman and Sj838 Petergionis (talk) 22:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - No one is claiming to be Inkey Jones - Popetman admits to being his agent. User:Sj838 user page was vandalised to say he was Inkey Jones by a user who was only on WP for 3 days - that has now been reverted. As I have already stated, someone appears to have a grudge against this person. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 08:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Vandalism? Again? Popetman uses the 'vandalism' defence to protect and bias the article more than the Bush Administration used 'terrorism'. Yes, people in the comedy community have a problem with Inkey Jones because he is an unscrupulous comedy promoter as documented time and time again in the Chortle forums. The reason I created the article Daniel Peters - Inkey's real name - was to focus purely on his activities as a comedy promoter, but it was deleted it. Petergionis (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Please look at the history of user Sj838's user page. The comment "I am Inkey Jones" was added by Motorwaylander (talk · contribs) for no apparent reason on 7 April 2012, long after the Inkey Jones article was created. I don't think we can take the claim that Sj838 (talk · contribs) is Inkey Jones seriously. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject of this article has no notability whatsoever in British comedy. He is not listed as having appeared in any UK comedy clubs, major or minor, nor is he credited with any TV or radio appearances. If you Google his name, the results only return self-published sources and the Wikipedia article in question.86.183.44.229 (talk) 12:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.44.229 (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:SPA, I smell a sock. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 19:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable as "Multi talented Stand up Comic, writer and actor" per the BBC ref. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 00:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It appears that the page creator, Sj838 (talk · contribs), wishes for the page to be deleted, as evidenced by that user blanking the page twice [1] [2]. User was advised that G7 doesn't apply here. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as not notable. He doesn't have the in-depth and independent coverage in multiple reliable sources to meet general notability guidelines: there is the BBC interview, but interviews aren't always considered reliable sources (though being interviewed may help show someone is well-known, important, or influential). IMDb is also not considered a reliable source. Aside from that, there are a few passing mentions on Chortle, and other even less authoritative sources, but nothing in depth. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No one's heard of this guy. The references are bogus. Has he played The Comedy Store? Has he appeared at any club of any note? If this guy meets the criteria for inclusion in Wiki, then Wiki is going to need a lot more servers. Not notable apart from his own website! This discussion is probably his best joke! Comedycleaner (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC) — Comedycleaner (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete. I started searching from scratch and found nothing that convinces me that the subject is notable. There are some small references but, to my mind, not enough to meet the WP:GNG. Ubelowme _U ^Me 21:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per the nomination.--Juristicweb (talk) 18:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Saw him perform with Jimmy Carr some years back and I believe he still performs regularly in London as I saw him on a flyer the other day. Userdefinable —Preceding undated comment added 12:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Flyers and someone having "seen him" are not reliable sources. Wikipedia is not based around hearsay remarks. Petergionis (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He was mentioned in an article or two in 2005, "I Did Once and It Took 15 Minutes, with the partially sighted Kevin Knite and the hard-of-hearing Inkey Jones,"Preview: Jaik Campbell: I've Stuttered So I'll F-F-Finish, CO2, Infirmary Street, Edinburgh Not enought to meet WP:GNG. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.