Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quilla Constance

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quilla Constance

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No indication of how artist meets WP:GNG. Might meet CSD:A7, but she's a multidisciplinary artist, so I can't just apply WP:BAND criteria. Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doesn't quite meet A7 in my opinion; there's a sincere effort to show that the person has importance as an artist. But this person falls well short of WP:N in my opinion. -- Atama頭 18:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quilla Constance/Jennifer Allen is a fine artist working through the mediums of pop music and video, so I think it would be more appropriate to consider her under fine art notability, rather than musical notability. She has had video works exhibited at a number of public galleries, i.e: Camden Arts Centre, Sunderland Gallery of Contemporary Art (Northern Gallery), The Metropole Gallery, Folkestone. She also has art work in major collections, such as Anita Zabludowicz, David Roberts and Goldsmiths College. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC) — User:80.177.221.225 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S- There's an article about the video work of Jennifer Allen in Frieze Magazine...June/August 2009 Issue 124. According to this she has video work in the Saatchi Collection. I think this is notable. http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/being_jennifer_allen/ 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

P.P.S- To be clear- Quilla Constance is one of the characters created by Jennifer Allen for her videos.09:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out Quilla Constance is a member of Equity. Please see her performer's profile. http://www.equity.org.uk/directory-of-members/quilla-constance/, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 12:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why this article is up for deletion nor why the picture has been removed; Jennifer Allen is a performance artist influenced by Paul McCarthy, Franco B et al, graduating from Ruskin/St John's College Oxford, completing a masters at Goldsmiths all at the highest level achievable; her inclusion in 'New Contempories', Saatchi online, Charlie Smith Gallery, the Zabludowicz collections is surely notable. As Quilla Constance, Allen lectured recently at the University of Kent on the development of the Quilla Constance character and its simultaneous residence in Fine Art and Pop contexts; every single piece of information within the Wiki thus far is verifiable and ranges from trivial listings right through to Gallery performances, performance at the Blitz Club [along with Rusty Egan and Steve Strange], the Cobden Club [along with Sir Bob Geldof], appearance/interview on Resonance FM, Exhibitions, reviews, St Johns, Goldsmiths etc all listed within the article or via links, easily verifiable and currently occupying over 40 pages if you google 'quilla constance'. That some individuals have issues with Allen's practice is undeniable, however the majority who have seen Allen and her work recognise her to be an exciting, emergent talent worthy of Wiki inclusion. Inclusions in Wiki need to start somewhere. The fact that one of the authors appears to be a gallery manager in whose space Allen's work has been displayed is both unsurprising and relevant considering the outstanding performance at Decima given earlier in the year. The frieze article 'being Jennifer Allen' written by the similarly named art critic 'Jennifer Allen' gives substantial column space to this Jennifer Allen [Quilla Constance] numerous times. To consider this article for deletion on the grounds of notabilty, verifiability or bias is farcical. Just check the sources! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.190.34 (talk • contribs) 10:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Comment. I'm putting off coming to my own conclusion on the delete for now, but the nature of the sources on the article page and above needs to be mentioned. First, the content at Allinlondon and Spoonfed which is cited for the list of performances in the article are both user-generated: not significant coverage and the blurbs inserted into the references from these sites are simply promotional. Also, being a member of Equity does not contribute to one's notability: the subject of the article simply signed up, as any performing artist can, regardless of notability. The twice cited Frieze article above certainly does not give "substantial column space" to the subject or add to her notability anymore than it does the other people named "Jennifer Allen" alluded to in the article. P.Oxy.2354 (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:ENTERTAINER. Qworty (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok- I'll look for more sources. Regarding Equity- you may not consider this notable but according to Equity- not any performer can join. The performer must have previously be contracted to perform at least four paid professional performance jobs. In regards to significant coverage...ok allinlondon and Spoonfed are listings, but what about the extensive coverage on the Saatchi site? This is an in-depth article by a renowned art critic and curator (Jane Neal)from the Courtauld Institute. In terms of the article in Frieze...Jennifer Allen and her video work is mentioned three times, and this is evident to those who are familiar with her work. Surely the fact that she's known to an art-critic from Frieze counts for something? Jennifer Allen, the art critic from Berlin is a regular contributer to Frieze. 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Please see the coverage in the Saatchi magazine : http://magazine.saatchionline.com/magazine-articles/artnews/emerging_artist_of_the_week_je_2 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Also, there's coverage in the Oxford Gazette in Review of one of Jennifer Allen's earlier shows at The Burton Taylor Theatre : http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/ballet/skins.htm 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Taking to heart the concerned IPs' objections that this article should be judged not by the guidelines for band, music or entertainer, but according to "fine art notability" (above), I refer to WP:ARTIST, which the subject does not yet meet. The Saatchionline article is certainly something to be proud of, but most of the content concerns the simple act of performance (i.e. listings, announcements, often only a passing mention). It just doesn't add up to notability. Maybe after a few years, a few more substantial pieces dedicated to the actual criticism of work after the MFA. P.Oxy.2354 (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone rich can pay for PR companies to get press to write about stuff in abundance. It's a shame that this counts for notability over an artist who's actually doing something interesting... That's just my two cents worth. 80.177.221.225 (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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