Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of micronations/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 19:06, 7 October 2008 [1].

List of micronations

previous FLC (01:11, 24 September 2008)

After much progress with the last nomination, I am resubmitting the list. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for two reasons: (1) almost none of my comments in teh previous FLC have been resolved; (2) not even 10h have passed since teh previous fail. Nergaal (talk) 07:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Disregarding again - Nergaal, you keep repeating yourself and again I have to state here that your comments A) were completely useless, not constructive and were refuted (especially the false claim that some micronations have unknown locations - they either exist or they don't Nergaal!) and B) the nomination didn't fail, it was not promoted, meaning that not enough consensus was gathered to make a decision. What difference does it make if I nominate it again? It isn't against any policies or guidelines. You haven't responded to any refutations, yet you constantly oppose this list's nominations even though you don't have a single strong argument to back up your claims. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 13:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Funny reply1 Anyways, as I've already said, there should be another column with some location coordinate. Please check List of historical unrecognized countries (especially the "part of") since that list is probably the most similar to this one. Nergaal (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And as I have already said, it is impossible because micronations do not necessarily exist on land, they can exist in many forms across the entire universe. Next, there is this problem of land micronations existing globally and across national boundaries (constantly changing in many cases). We cannot make such a sufficient description of location in a list like this, however with the links provided the main articles can describe the location in the fullest detail. And finally, there is a huge difference between sovereign states (currently existing or not) and micronations, with sovereign states we can provide a simple description within national boundaries - yet micronations can exist, as I have mentioned earlier, in many forms. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then categorize (i.e. add a column) by their forms. At this point it almost looks like a random list of entries from the category of micronations. Also, REMEMBER that NOT EVERY SINGLE list may be featurable! If there is an apparently random list of that can not be proved to be complete or detailed (as it seems to be the case with this one), then it may be one of those lists! Nergaal (talk) 18:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This list is far from random - they are all micronations aren't they? We can't categorise them by form because of the simple reason that there is an unlimited number of forms, and therefore there would be no consistency and the list would definitely be random (remember visual appeal in the criteria?). It is detailed enough - leave the in depth analysis of each micronation to the main articles. And this list only presents notable micronations, of course this list can be complete by the standards of the criteria because it is limited by this requirement.

You have once again failed to use policies, guidelines and evidence in general to back up your claims, and this is the fourth time that I have had to explain all of this. My refutation stands, you have yet to reply - this is starting to resemble disruption of the nomination process. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - seems as if previous comments in the previous FLC have been addressed to meet the FL Criteria, and I cannot find any flaws.S _R X 23:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Suggest you place model countries and new country projects in quotes or italics or something so it's clear they're alternative names.
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stick with US or Brit English - you have "recognise" and "recognize" in the same article.
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"They can also exist in various forms..." not clear what "They" is in this context so reinforce "Micronations can also..."
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Such trappings of recognised sovereign states are created as a way of seeking to legitimise the micronations that produce them." - this reads like WP:OR as it isn't cited. Can you prove this?
- Removed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the references sub-headings, just use ";" instead of the heading level so the TOC doesn't see them.
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Lizbekistan" has no foundation date - the cell is blank. Either add a note or put a date in there.
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 18:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorting on the foundation date column isn't quite right - four clicks, four different results.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 17:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"50 metres2" - use the {{convert}} template for this kind of thing.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Avoid the in-line links you have for the Kingdom and Republic of Talossa - make it a footnote and cite it there.
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't "An Absolute monarchy" just be "An absolute monarchy"? And Matriarchy just matriarchy?
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And "Czech republic" - Czech Republic?
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Year ranges should use the en-dash, not the hyphen, per WP:DASH.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No spaces between citations and punctuation per WP:CITE.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ref 56 - p. not pp.
- Cite news template - This is part of the cite news template, with two letter "p"'s being used in cite news templates but only one in the cite web templates. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fixed - Thanks Pagrashtak. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 17:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{Cite news}} handles that last problem just fine. Pagra shtak 16:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose

List doesn't appear in alphabetical order initially so when ordering by name it changes subtly - not desirable.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"6 metres2" can you use a superscript for the "squared" or the {{convert}} template?
- Done - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"organization " - US Eng again.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"United States of America " vs "the US" - consistency.
- Fixed - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 15:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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