Ronhjones

Thursday

12

December

22:06 UTC

Welcome to Ronhjones' Talk page

on English Wikipedia

If you leave a new message on this page, I will reply on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.

Ronhjones' Navigation bar

Home

Talk (Archives)

Contributions

EditCount

Sandbox

Sandbox2

Awards

Userboxes

Gallery

CSDlog

Subpages

Adminship

Hi there! To keep the flow of conversations, I like to keep threads on one page where possible. So, if you post a message here, I'll probably respond to it here. Conversely, if I post a message on your talk page, you can respond there if you wish; since I've edited your talk page I'll have it on my watchlist. Thanks!

Leave me a message

Note: To any interested parties. This is my only account, there are no edits under my currect IP address 109.224.128.22; a few minor edits under my old static IP address 87.127.178.158 and my work IP address (but that is shared) 193.113.135.87

All threads on this page will be archived after 14 days of non - activity.

Talkback

Hello, Ronhjones. You have new messages at Template talk:AfricaProject#Book class.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

PBSKIDS

Hello Ronhjones, thank you for your contributions on articles related to PBS Kids. I'd like to invite you to become a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject PBSKids, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of PBS Kids articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks!

The Signpost: 23 August 2010

• News and notes: Pending changes poll, Public policy classes, Payment schemes debate, and more

• In the news: Zionist editing courses, newspaper denies editing candidate, net neutrality

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Cryptozoology

• Features and admins: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Proposed decision of climate change case posted

• Technology report: Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News

Read this Signpost in full · Single-page · Unsubscribe · EdwardsBot (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Name Request

I don't get what was wrong with my name changes.

User:FTP1690 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rangers GSTQ (talk • contribs) 03:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Omar Barghouti

Dear Ronhjones,

I am Omar Barghouti. I see that you've cancelled the edit I had made on my entry on Wiki. As a "living person" who is being written about, I think I can well assess the accuracy of the information or misinformation about my life, education, career, etc., contributed by others.

Some of the text written about me was either inaccurate, entirely false or highly negatively selective. In my edit I made sure to include the most accurate information about myself.

I hope you shall take this into consideration before cancelling my edits about myself in the future.

Thanks, Omar Barghouti omar.barghouti2@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omar.barghouti2 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyone, just anyone could create a Wikipedia account with your user name. We have no way of tying an account with a person, so we treat all users the same. If you have a problem with a page then please see WP:BLPHELP.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, even if you are Omar Barghouti (which we have no way of knowing) you still need to follow wikipedia rules when editing this article. That means you need to provide sources for the information you insert, and gain consensus on the talk page for removing sourced information.

I suggest you undo your last edit and use the talk page. You are currently engaged in an edit war which may result in you being blocked and not able to edit at all. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Kirkcaldy High School Page

Hi Ron Glad you undid my last revision ... a moronic reference to Lee Harvey Oswald. I only did it to draw attention to the equally moronic reference to a visit by British Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, which is continually added by some silly person. The Oswalds are an old Kirkcaldy landowning family ... I assure you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.252.149 (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, but you could have just reverted the page, rather than "fogging the issue". I've sorted it now.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:54, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Kirkcaldy High School

R Thanks for sorting this - I got fed up of reverting the page after the vandal kept inserting the Oswald Mosley comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.252.149 (talk) 21:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Stuart Broad

The players call him Malfoy, no need to hand out a 'warning'! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.133.162 (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Quote a source, and there won't be a problem.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

TUSC token 8fd3211ebe04214532d860745d268de2

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Dani Wilde

I don't understand "sign your messageClaip (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)", so my contact details are:

I noticed that there was a page about Dani Wilde that you deleted in April. I was wondering why? She has just released her second album on Ruf Records (well, it is available on download from Amazon and the CD is imminent) and as such meets the criteria which I read for inclusion. I was going to create a page for her based on the information from her web site and that of Ruf records when I discovered one had already been created (and deleted). There are a small number (2) of references to her on other web pages, and I feel that people should be able to follow links to find out more about this young & talented artist.

[N.B. I do not know Dani Wilde and the only contact I have had with her was a single exchange of e-mails, similarly I have no contact with Ruf Records).

Cliff.

Claip (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"Sign you posts" refers to using either four ~ or the "signature" box to identify your user account to the comment that you make. see WP:SIGNATURE Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 15:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The "Dani Wilde" article was deleted because it was a blatent copy of another web site - here is the data "This article may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a copyright infringement of http://www.thetunnelsbristol.co.uk/events/dani-wilde-and-will-harmonica-wilde-tickets-7-advance/."  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 August 2010

• News and notes: Most linked websites on Wikipedia, New York Wiki-Conference, and more

• In the news: Agatha Christie spoiled, Wales on Wikileaks, University students improve Wikipedia, and more

• WikiProject report: Studying WikiProject Universities

• Features and admins: Featured article milestone: 3,000

• Arbitration report: What does the Race and intelligence case tell us?

• Technology report: Reusability of MediaWiki code, Google Summer of Code: Interwiki transclusion, and more

Read this Signpost in full · Single-page · Unsubscribe · EdwardsBot (talk) 16:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Beef mince

That crap about the contents of American hamburger meat is a damned lie. Delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.125.203 (talk) 22:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Then produce some references to disprove the ones cited.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment about a test on my user page

Hiyo! I saw on my userpage User_talk:TonyHagale that you said "my test" worked. I was using Twinkle to revert a long string of changes that an anonymous user was adding to the article that looked quite a bit like gibberish. I don't really understand what you mean by "my test", as I thought that I had properly reverted the changes on the live site. Is there possibly a feature of Twinkle that I'm not aware of that drops certain rollbacks into a testing state? Thanks! TonyHagale (talk) 23:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Tight (album) and 72.177.53.86

I saw you re-blocked 72.177.53.86 (talk), but this mght not be vandalism. Not sure if this is a reliable source, but this page appears to support the edits that keep getting reverted. This IP editor has also communicated on the article's talk page. -- Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 00:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing is a matter of debate, but the last name of Jimmy Urine likely contributes to this too. Materialscientist (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the user should be unblocked. –CWenger (talk) 00:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done with a message to use WP:RS  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Chocolate

I resent Hershey's Chocolate being compared to vomit. I'm sure that that is impossible for you to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.125.203 (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

That section has been there for over 6 months and no one else has complained, in fact the author goes out of his way not to offend by adding "I hope nobody is insulted". Talk pages are not normally edited out, except in extreme cases, and this is not extreme. I don't see why "that is impossible for you to understand" - I've been to the USA and tasted their chocolate. I don't link it to any particular smell/taste, I personally just don't like it - like most people over here - it's far too fatty and sweet, but it's made for a warmer climate.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

For reverting vandalism on my user page! This message is belated, bear with me... Tyrol5 [Talk] 19:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem, always happy to help.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the unblock. Could you possibly restore my userpage from before the block? --Uga Man (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

One more thing. I accidentally edited my userpage using my IP, could you possibly delete the revision? --Uga Man (talk) 03:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

for reverting vandalism on my page Vrenator (talk) 22:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem, Thanks.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Iron Ore

the ip adress that made the edit to iorn ore is the ip of a school HOUGHT U MIGHT WANT TO KNOW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.20.226 (talk) 23:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Am I supposed to be surprised...?  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please cease and desist. You have been asked to take your concerns to the talk page twice. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You cannot say that data with citing a reliable source  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe it to be a commonly known fact and therefore not in need of citation. If you disagree please explain.

This discussion should have taken place on the talk page rather than your immediately engaging in an edit-war and sending threats of bans and unfounded accusations of vandalism. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing to discuss about the article - that's what the talk page is for. I'm currently reverting vandalism with Huggle, the messages you see are what Huggle sends out - i.e "Please do not add content without citing verifiable and reliable sources", which is also echoed in the last edit summary.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

As you offer no defence of your stance on the edit, do you concede it was legitimate? If so, I will reinstate it.

Furthermore, if you concede it was legitimate, it cannot be vandalism, and I invite you to apologise for false accusations made both by your own account and the bot you operate. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

No. I said the edit had no verifiable and reliable sources. Therefore it cannot stay. Reliable sources and verifiabily are core Wikipedia policies and have to be followed.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Then I invite you to delete all other unattributed sentences on the article, including those that are commonly known or obvious. If you do not then I will feel compelled to implement wikipedia policy by doing so myself.

Furthermore, adding an unattributed statement in good faith is not vandalism. Wikipedia requires that you assume good faith. Your conduct here has failed to meet that standard. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 00:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

RIBA

HELLO RON JONES. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE BANKING GROUP SPAREBANK1 ACTUALLY CHARGES RIBA, AND THUS IT WOULD MAKE WIKIPEDIA POORER IF THIS FACT WAS NOT POINTED OUT. BUT I SHALL PHRASE ACCORDING TO YOUR ADVICE. IT IS HOWEVER, AS YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT TO EXPAND THE ARTICLES, AND UPGRADE THE QUALITY OF WIKIPEDIA WHENEVER POSSIBLE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO RIBA, IT IS A GOOD WAY OF MAKING AN EXAMPLE BY LINKING DOCTRINE TO ACTUAL PRACTISES, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE PRACTICAL WORKINGS AND DETAILS OF A MODERN BANK, IN CONTRAST TO RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE. BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE ON HOW TO PHRASE IT MORE EDUCATIONALLY, AND I SHALL DO MY BEST TO PROMOTE KNOWLEDGE IN A TRUE WIKIPEDIAN SPIRIT.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A BETTER QUALITY OF LANGUAGE, RON. YOUR ADVICE WILL MAKE FOR A BETTER ARTICLE. SO AS LONG AS WE DO NOT CONCEAL THE FACTS, EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.

G.89.9.132.100 (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Truth is one thing - verifiable data is another. All data must be verifiable and have a reliable source - especially if that data is in anyway negative to that entity.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

So you need a reference to the "fact" that that bank charges "Riba", and another to the "fact" that "people have been cheated out of their homes".  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I WILL DROP THE FACT ABOUT CHEATING PEOPLE AS FOR NOW, AND ADD A LINK TO THEIR WEBSITE, WITH REGARDS TO RIBA OR "INTEREST" SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY ACTUALLY OFFER LOANS AT AN INTEREST. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

All banks offer loans at an interest - what makes this one so different?  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

THEN WE AGREE THAT THIS BANK, AS WELL AS THE OTHERS, OFFERS LOANS AT AN INTEREST, OR "RIBA" AS IT IS CALLED IN ARABIC. THANK YOU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

But it's not illegal, and you cannot say that it is so, unless it's in a Arabic country.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

GOOD POINT. I SHALL INCLUDE THAT IT IS ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO BOTH THE QURAAN, AS ALLREADY EXPRESSED IN THE ARTICLE, AND IN ARABIC COUNTRIES. + - THANK YOU. GREAT IDEA. G. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 00:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

But the Bank is not located in an Arabic country. So you can't say that.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

YOU MISUNDERSTAND. THE QURAAN DOES NOT SPEAK ABOUT ARABIC COUNTRIES. IT SPEAKS ABOUT THE PRACTICE OF RIBA. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE IT IS, IT IS STILL A SIN ACCORDING TO THE QURAAN. AND THIS IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT RELIGION. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE WHORSHIP OF THE GOLDEN CALF. THAT WAS ALSO A SIN. AND IN THE SAME WAY ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE HEBREW BIBLE. IF SOMEONE WHORSHIPPED A GOLDEN CALF TODAY, THE PRACTICE WOULD STILL BE A SIN ACCORDING TO THE HEBREW BIBLE, WOULD IT NOT? AND IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT IDOLATRY, THE WHORSHIP OF THE GOLDEN CALF BY THE ISERALITES IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE ARTICLE. OR SHOULD WE DELETE ALL PRACTICLE EXAMPLES FROM ALL WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I've not sure about the Christian bible - been too long since I read it, but I don't remember such a section. You can say what is a sin according to the Quraan, but you cannot single out one Bank, either say "Western Banks", OR list every bank and building society that gives loans on interest (it will be hundreds!) - Wikipeadia has to be written from a neutral point of view, we cannot be seen to be either positive or negative to one institution.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I AM AFFRAID YOU ARE WRONG, ABOUT THIS MATTER RON. IN WIKIPEDIAN ARTICLES NOT ALL POSSIBLE EXAMPLES FOR EVERY TOPIC IS LISTED. FOR EXAMPLE: IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT ANIMALS, NOT ALL ANIMALS ARE LISTED. OR IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT SOCIETY, NOT EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET ARE LISTED. ARE THEY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

AND IN YOUR OWN WORDS, RON: WHEN SOMEONE VANDALIZES WIKIPEDIA, YOU SINGLE THEM OUT AND EDIT OR BLOCK THEM. WHEN SOMEONE COMMITS DEADLY SINS, I SINGLE THEM OUT, AND EDIT OR BLOCK THEM. AND AS YOU SAY:

THATS LIFE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

G. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.239.17 (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Correct, but they are not listed in a negative way, and they can't sue Wikipedia either - we cannot be seen to libel an organisation.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Lovinwiki10

excuse me but stop vandalizing everything i do —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovinwiki10 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That's life. You vandalise and I revert and then block...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :@)

Thanks for the help with numbering the references - i was so confused! Im new on here - hope ive done eveything correctly! (Tjhinlondon (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC))

I've combined the 2 identical refs for you.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Calvin Blignault

Dear Ronhjones

You just deleted my contribution on Calvin Blignault, because it is identic with a web site that you quoted. Please check the date of the other web site. It has been copied from Wikipedia and not vice versa. I would be pleased if you re-instate my contribution, after confirming that this is the case.--NearEMPTiness (talk) 19:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. All reverted. Web page was indeed a copy, without an obvious attribution. I've also added a comment on the talk page to assist editor's in future.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply and action.--NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

William Arbegast

Thank you very much for the comments on some work in progress on William Arbegast which has indeed some word-by-word similarities to his autobiography. It is my intention to modify the words, while keeping the content. Is this acceptable? Do you think it makes sense to shorten and rephrase this article and then upload it again? Is it acceptable to copy the list of literature?--NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

To prevent future deletions, then the web page must be completely re-phrased - and that needs to be done on your own PC - a copy of the web page cannot appear (no matter if it's going to get changed) here - note the alteration of one or two words in a sentence won't work. The list - bit of a grey area, there's no real copyright to a list - one could in theory make such a list without ever seeing the web page. It is a very long list, and I would question if the whole list needs to be shown - one could always link to the list elsewhere - such a long list might have the editors reaching for the SPAM button.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the very helpful comments. I fully agree both regarding the too early upload and the length of the literature list.--NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk page

No problem, you don't deserve that level of personal attacks on your talk page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

One needs a tough skin as a vandal fighter.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

what happen if other Company than disney buys Club penguin?

Hello ronhjones, what happen if Other companys buys Club penguin? when Disney will stop reletionship with Club penguin, Thanks, Ren and stimpy100,