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Hello- I undid your revert of my changes to the interlanguage links you introduced. Can you explain why you reverted my edits? Have you familiarized yourself with the {{ill}} template and its usage? Do you find my use of that template inappropriate? Your edit summary "edited links" does not provide any explanation of your reasoning. Eric ^talk 21:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I thought the link didn't go anywhere but I can see that clicking on 'de' or 'fr' leads to the German/French-language pages I originally wanted to link to, because there was no equivalent English-language page. Ario1234 (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

No prob. That ill template is a nice improvement on the old way of doing those links, because it handles multiple scenarios. Eric ^talk 22:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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Re: copper metallurgy. The reference (The rise of metallurgy in Eurasia: Evolution, organisation and consumption of early metal in the Balkans. University College London, Institute of Archaeology. 2010) has a dead link. Also I think the cited text is actually from 2021: https://www.archaeopress.com/Archaeopress/Products/9781803270425. And the reference is placed in the 'Population' section of the text for some reason instead of next to the relevant part of the text about copper metallurgy. I also added another reference, a book from 2020: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Archaeometallurgy_Materials_Science_Aspe/5LIKEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 but you deleted this.

So, 1) can I put the relevant references next to the text about copper metallurgy, 2) can I replace the old reference (which has a dead link), 3) can I add new references?

Thanks. Ario1234 (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

More sources are always welcome. The reference in the population section seems to be indiscriminate WP:REFBOMBing because the archived version of that page doesn't say anything about settlement size. It might be better to talk about this at Talk:Vinča culture. – Joe (talk) 18:15, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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I changed the photo to a better photo, how is that not constructive? Ario1234 (talk) 23:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Template:Indo-European topics collapsible list is one of just a few templates with Misnested tags. I wonder if this can be fixed. —Anomalocaris (talk) 21:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't know how to fix that, sorry. The template seems to work without any problems so it doesn't appear to affect it. Ario1234 (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Somogyvár-Vinkovci culture moved to draftspace

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Hi, I made some changes to the draft. Thanks. Ario1234 (talk) 10:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks. Ario1234 (talk) 23:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry, but why do you think there is a freely-licenced alternative available? What led you to this conclusion? Are you a human or a bot? Ario1234 (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Nordic Bronze Age

Hi, I was wondering why you are changing the order of the "Preceded by" section of the infobox? Is this not something that should be quite straightforwardly established? Thank you for all the work you do on these articles, it's just a bit unclear what you are doing sometimes. Edit summaries are great. TylerBurden (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, my thinking was that the Pitted Ware culture doesn't directly precede the Nordic Bronze Age, rather it ends a few hundred years earlier and merges into the Battle Axe culture. Ario1234 (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I see, thank you for the explanation, again it would be helpful if you include these reasonings in edit summaries so it's clear what you're doing. TylerBurden (talk) 17:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Ario1234 (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Silbury Hill, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. you don't seem to have read the source as your edit contradicted it. That wasn't the only error and I fixed the others as well Doug Weller talk 12:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The volume of Silbury Hill is given in the main text as 248,000 cubic metres, whilst the pyramid of Menkaure is listed as 235,183 cubic metres. The first reference (Malone 1989) actually gives a volume of 350,000 cubic metres for Silbury Hill. However a more recent (2018) study gives an estimate of 239,133 cubic metres, which is still larger than the given volume of Menkaure. https://historicengland.org.uk/research/results/reports/154-2002

Which other errors did I make? Ario1234 (talk) 19:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The other errors weren’t yours. English Heritage says “ compares in height and volume to the roughly contemporary Egyptian pyramids.”. Doug Weller talk 19:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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Gumelnița–Karanovo culture

You should have explained your blanking. Xx236 (talk) 12:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I moved the page to Gumelniţa–Kodžadermen-Karanovo VI complex and gave Gumelniţa culture a separate page. For some reason the links weren't working so I blanked the Gumelniţa-Karanovo page. Now I've put a redirect on the Gumelniţa–Karanovo page, redirecting to Gumelniţa–Kodžadermen-Karanovo VI complex. Ario1234 (talk) 12:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks, I tried to do that following your advice but I'm not sure if it worked. Ario1234 (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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"the caption itself is misleading."

How is it misleading? Ario1234 (talk) 19:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Ario1234, The caption is misleading because it stated: The Bronze Hand of Prêles, Switzerland, 16th-15th century BC. yet it is not a photo of the Bronze Hand of Prêles; it is a single illustrator's digitally produced illustration of such artifact. (Which BTW, does not represent the object very well at all.) When I first saw it, I thought it might have been a very overly-sharpened, colorized and heavily retouched photo, but on closer examination of the original file and after viewing multiple photos of the object online, I saw that it is one person's version/interpretation of the artifact. It misrepresents what the artifact looks like, and captures none of the three-dimensionality of the object and misrepresents the colors.

If you really think it's needed, you could try sending a request to the museum or institution that owns the artifact to see if they would release a photo of the object (this is sometimes done with artworks) or you could try contacting one of the many photographers that have photographed the object, such as Philippe Joner of the Archaeological Service of the Canton of Bern, Switzerland, or or Guy Jaquenod of the Archaeological Service of Canton Bern, (both of whose names I found in the photo captions of photographs found via a Google image search.) Museums and other non-profit institutions are often quite helpful with providing images to Wikipedia and to Creative Commons. Perhaps someone at the Archaeological Service of Canton of Bern, Switzerland could help with this or with putting you in touch with one of their photographers.

Hope that helps, and happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 20:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so adding "(drawing)" to the caption may have made it less misleading, though I added a reference/link to a photo of the object in the caption, and there are other cases on wikipedia where an artefact is represented by a drawing. It's pretty obviously a digital drawing. Seeing as this image seems to be problematic I'll add a reference to the object in the text and a link to the page which has the same drawing which hopefully won't confuse other people who look at it. Ario1234 (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ario1234, I think the article is fine with the changes you have made with the inline links and citations that point to photographs of the artifact. I will continue to keep an eye out for a freely released photo, or one with a Creative Commons license that is compatible for upload. Thanks for your improvements to the article, and happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all your great work

Lest you get discouraged from classing up so many of the archaeology articles around here for whatever reason 🙄, I for one want to congratulate you on all the improvements you've made. I'd give you a barnstar but I don't really have the time right now. But you probably deserve one. 😁👍  Tewdar  17:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate it. If you ever get the time to send me a barnstar I'd appreciate that too! Btw are you still working on the Bell Beaker DNA? Ario1234 (talk) 21:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Benin Moat

Hello Ario1234, I hope you're doing just fine :). I'm reaching out per your removal on the Benin Moat article. Why did you remove, your edit summary didn't clearly state the rationale. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:26, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I removed a drawing that was unrelated to the Benin moats/walls and appears to be a drawing of medieval Baghdad. Ario1234 (talk) 16:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

But, I don't see any relation between the image and Baghdad. Is there a source to confirm this to me? I would appreciate it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

This is the image I removed, which has no relation to the Benin moats:

This is the drawing of medieval Baghdad that it's based on: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/16/story-cities-day-3-baghdad-iraq-world-civilisation

I've seen people posting this drawing of Baghdad online before and saying that it's Benin city: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a9/6e/01/a96e01fc459a6ea75a43aa8f6d56900c.jpg Ario1234 (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, great! Thanks, this is a good head-up for me. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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I won't use a template because you're a longtime editor, but please engage on the talk page and seek a new consensus at Ancient Egyptian race controversy rather than repeatedly removing well sourced content which has already been approved by consensus. See the rather extensive archives here. For a page which has been as thoroughly disputed as this one, it's best to assume that what you're seeing is the result of a thorough consensus-building process, and thus changes should generally be incremental. If you do choose to be bold, however, it's especially important to observe WP:BRD and not simply revert a revert. Thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

You are now undoubtedly engaged in an edit war. Please undo this edit pending a new consensus. Generalrelative (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Please at least explain why you think that supposed 'methodological problems' in genetic studies are the same thing as bias. Also, what is 'providing misleading, interpretations on racial classifications' supposed to mean, and what does it have to do with bias? Wikiuser's only 'argument' is that he posted sources so it's valid. Ario1234 (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd say that the rest of the paragraph actually explains this quite well. Methodological problems can include biased sampling, which is what is being alleged here. In any case, the place to discuss all this is the article talk page. Generalrelative (talk) 16:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Okunev culture stelae

Okunev culture stelae

Regarding this [3]. I think the stelae are Okunev culture stelae, which were later inscribed by the early Turks. See:

• Siberian Times
• Poliakov, Andrey; Esin, Yury. "HORN FIGURINES FROM AN OKUNEV BURIAL ON LAKE ITKUL, KHAKASSIA, SOUTHERN SIBERIA": Fig.10. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
• Turkic inscriptions on Okunev stone statues
• "The impressive stone steles of the Okunev culture were originally erected at gravesites (...) anthropomorphic or zoomorphic faces or masks with geometric patterns are carved into these monument steles (...) Okunev steles end in a human head, bent slightly forward, others have a ram's head." in Baumer, Christoph (18 April 2018). History of Central Asia, The: 4-volume set. Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 137–139. ISBN 978-1-83860-868-2. with photographs of the steles p.137.
• "As shown by the three-line Old-Turkish runic inscription, Okunev steles were still being reused in the mid-first millennium AD" in Baumer, Christoph (18 April 2018). History of Central Asia, The: 4-volume set. Bloomsbury Publishing. p. 322, note 148. ISBN 978-1-83860-868-2.

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The image was uploaded as a non-free, fair use image: Wikipedia:File upload wizard: Upload a non-free file Ario1234 (talk) 23:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

My message was about some text, not an image. — Diannaa (talk) 23:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah ok. I copied that text from the Vučedol page with minor changes. I thought that would be ok. Ario1234 (talk) 23:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I see; you had no way of knowing then. The book is dated 2004, and the content was added to Wikipedia in 2008, so we can't keep it. — Diannaa (talk) 14:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keita's comments on mummies of the 18th and 20th Dynasties

Hi, Ario,

I created a subsection for Keita's comments within the section on ancient DNA. This way, the comments are not linked to the study by Gad et al., but the article also does not have another section just for this purpose, unnecessarily.

I hope, with this, we have overcome our disagreement.

Best regards,

Dealmeida87 (talk) 00:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not a genetic study though. The section is about genetic studies. Ario1234 (talk) 01:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Keita's comments refer to STRs of the mummies of Amarna and Ramses III, therefore, they are relevant to the section.

I tried to reach an agreement even though they disagreed with their first modification. But, unfortunately, you choose the path of intransigence. Dealmeida87 (talk) 01:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Maybe write a section on the original genetic study that Keita was referring to. Ario1234 (talk) 02:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Millet

Hi Ario1234, I'm a bit surprised at your removal of a reliably cited paragraph in this article with the simple claim that it's false. That basically isn't sufficient for such a case.

As I've said in my edit comment, contradicting a reliable scientific source is possible, but not just by saying so - you would need to cite a newer source that specifically refutes the old one, with scientific evidence. If you think you have good reason for objecting to the paragraph, please take that reason to the article's talk page; it will have to contain links to recent scientific papers that demonstrate the falsity of the cited evidence in the paragraph. Just to remind you, per WP:BRD, to take this further, you are expected by long-established Wikipedia policy to discuss the matter on the talk page until consensus is reached. I hope this is clear and transparent to you. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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