Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Action

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The result was delete. Tone 16:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Action

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I have done several searches to see if I could find any significant independent coverage in reliable sources, bu I have no found anything. Sources in the article only help establish existence, not notability MPJ-DK (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 06:55, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Negligible IRS that I could find. Aoziwe (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I found coverage of her in Australian newspapers which I've added to the article. The article should be redirected to her actual name: "Amy Crawford" or "Amy 'Action' Crawford." Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:50, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 01:59, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I found coverage of the subject as well, under 2 stage names - ~~AC Jazz,~~ Amy "Action" Crawford, and Kombat Karl. The subject has had significant media coverage and a noteworthy female professional wrestling career ~~in the U.S.~~ and as one of the first women to wrestle in the men's division in Australia. Meets WP:GNG and easily passes WP:BASIC. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 07:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Amy Action and AC Jazz are not the same person - all sources on "Amy Action" state that she's a wrestler and born in Australia, "AC Jazz" souces states that he was born in the US and a cheerleader/Nitro girl. Apparently in 1998 she was both a dancer in the US and a very talented wrestler in Australia based on the sources. They are not the same person, they may share the same birth name but that's it as far as I can tell. MPJ-DK (talk) 09:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Already made one correction. Will go in tomorrow and fix a couple more remaining and remove refs. It does not change the subject's notability. Thank you for catching it. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the rest since it's a BLP we cannot have wrong info in there. It removed your additions, so please double check that you really think it has notabilty without the sources for a different person. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:32, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The subject holds four women's championship wrestling titles, the totality of which meet guidelines for notability, added to one of the first women to wrestle in the men's divisions in Australia, all of which are sourced. The subject passes WP:GNG, and my !vote remains Keep. Thank you. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 20:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AuthorAuthor What guideline counts number of professional wrestling championships won for notability? I've never seen it but think that's very useful information to have for future article work. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned the number of championships as an accomplishment. Of course there is not a guideline count for notability - which is quite a leap you made from what I stated when I merely pointed out here on the AfD page that the subject had won more than one championship title. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the leap from this comment - the totality of which meet guidelines for notability - to my question" you mention "Totality of which" = "Number" and "meet guidelines for notability", leading to my question what that number is. I don't see a leap, sorry, not trying to be an ass, I am genuinely trying to find something that would allow us to keep this, I just don't personally see enough Significant Third party coverage in reliable sources to prove it. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are two sources listed that could be said to meet the RS guideline, the newspaper articles, one she's mentioned as an aside almost (not significant coverage) and the second is part interview, part coverage. Honestly if there was some other third party coverage, even if it was not that significant I would flip my vote to keep as an argument can be made for WP:GNG then. Unfortunately I have not found that myself, maybe you or someone else can. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable. Four titles and only one is actually sourced, but more importantly none of the titles are notable. I removed a source that was unreliable according to the source list at WP:PW. No sign of any major show appearances and the SMH link is wrong as Sherrie Sinatra was active in Melbourne at the time with Amy travelling to Melbourne to wrestle her. I think Princess Tara was active as well. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:41, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg jhp jm 08:27, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The titles she's won don't really matter since pro wrestlers fall under the notability standards for entertainers and not athletes, but it does seem like they're minor. I don't think the coverage is enough to meet the GNG and I see no evidence that WP:ENTERTAINER is met.Sandals1 (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails GNG.LM2000 (talk) 07:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 11:52, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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