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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Geick

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Dylan Geick does not meet Wikipedia's notability requirements for an article. I'm moving that it be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.168.196 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. SkyWarrior 20:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. SkyWarrior 20:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. SkyWarrior 20:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)][reply]
  • keep - He is well known in the LGBT community, and he have achieved a lot in wrestling. fred8695 (talk) 20:17 27 January 2018 (UTC)
  • keep - He has received a large amount of national coverage and is well documented social media presence. He is one of the first competitive high school wrestlers to have come out and a two time all American. he is widely present on social media alone and with his partner Jackson Krecioch.. Williamsdoritios (talk) 21:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC) 20:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Case of WP:TOOSOON and WP:1E, IMO. Subject will probably be notable at some point, but I don't feel like they are right now - if they had been involved in a touch more activism, this'd be a keep !vote; I feel that being prominently gay in a heteronormative environment is skirting notability. This article and the potential for an AfD was mentioned on IRC a few days ago, and the AfD was mentioned again today. -- Cheers, Alfie. (Say Hi!) 01:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak delete As noted above, WP:TOOSOON appears directly applicable here. Link in article to Grant Mower appears to share same issue, so considering AfD there as well. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:04, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Deja vu Draft:Dylan Geick. Looks like the draft was deleted twice and protected. I have no idea if the current article is substantially different. --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I understand the too soon argument and it seems to hold some credence. Alfie I will try to add some activistism links perhaps this might change your mind? If this article has to be deleted for the time being so be it. I appreciate all of your work to keep this encyclopedia on point. I just want to point out that this nomination was made in proxy for an isp user who had no previous edits except for trying to blank the page and declaring that they were going to remove it. They actually wrote "Dylan Geick does not fulfill the notability requirement for a Wikipedia article. I've elected to delete the content thereof since it has no reason being on here" and then blanked the page which was in turn restored by skywarrior Williamsdoritios (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Williamsdoritos:. Don't take this AfD personally. The nominator isn't what I'd call a model Wikipedian, but the nomination was made. Attacking the nominator won't help. Also, the "too soon argument" isn't an argument. We are not here to argue and defend sides, we're here to achieve consensus as to what is best for this article. Happy editing! Adotchar| reply here 17:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Williamsdoritos:, @Adotchar: was kind enough to inform me of your comment off-wiki. To get my attentionn future you can use the {{reply to}} template, as follows: {{reply to|Alfiepates}}. Anyway, regarding the AfD: Valid AfD nominations can be made regardless of the editor's standing. The best thing to do here is to attempt to rectify the issues highlighed in the Delete !votes (see WP:!VOTE for an explanation of the "!vote" terminology) - if you're able to do that, then there's a significant chance your article won't be deleted. If you're unable to do that, then you've discovered the reasons for the AfD nomination in the first place ;) Don't take this too personally, mind - I know it's frustrating to see an article you've spent a lot of work on get deleted, but it happens to the best of us sometimes. If you're knowledgable about wrestling or LGBT* topics, may I suggest you take a look into WP:WikiProject Sports or WP:WikiProject LGBT Studies? -- Cheers, Alfie. (Say Hi!) 19:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Two claims to fame seem to be good high school wrestler and an openly gay college wrestler. High school All-American honors are not usually enough to give a presumption of notability. Its no different than being a junior national top-8 in something - junior accomplishments usually don't give notability on its own. With regard to being an openly gay wrestler, my biggest issue is, as the article states, he is the second one to come out; not the first. Compare coverage of Jackie Robinson vs. Larry Doby (first modern Major League Baseball black player vs. 2nd player and first in American League). Worse yet, the first one to come out was a lot more accomplished than this subject (multiple time college All-American vs. college freshman). Since he isn't the first, the coverage appears to be more routine, less in depth, and more localized. Also, there are concerns with some, but not all, of the sources not being independent (e.g., two are from the school he wrestles for, one is his instagram profile, another is his youtube channel, outsports.com looks to be a blog, etc.). If he earns All-American honors in college, then the coverage of him being gay may tip the scales to keep over a run-of-the-mill All-American. But right now we have a number of reasons, WP:TOOSOON. WP:1E, etc. to make me comfortable with keep. RonSigPi (talk) 22:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • soft delete with no prejudice - Sadly, WP:TOOSOON. Despite what they have accomplished, and above, I've not found it to bare out in reliable sources. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't want to repeat the explanations of the lack of notability here, it's obvious and has been well stated above. – Athaenara ✉ 12:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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