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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. It seems there was a fair bit of change and improvement during the debate's time that is open. If any editor still feels like this doesn't meet GNG, I've closed as no consensus which allows for a relatively immediate re-nomination (and this close can be cited as specifically not precluding that from occurring). Daniel (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Terran

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Long-term concerns about notability, no chart success, very little in-depth coverage. An interview from 1997 was conducted by SoCal radio station KCRW[1] but interviews do not count toward notability. This UnCut album review from 2003 doesn't cover the artist's life or career; it just calls her an "independently-minded pianist-songwriter". The Sputnik page about Terran has no signed author. It appears to have been written by a family member. AllMusic's page about Terran does not have a signed prose review, indicating less notability. And none of Terran's albums have a signed prose review on AllMusic. The 2008 interview with Full Circle magazine cannot count toward notability; in any case it is a essentially a blog post published through Google's Blogger platform. Binksternet (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - The nominator nailed it, as the musician received some very basic media notice but nothing useful for encyclopedic purposes or our notability requirements. I also can find no confirmation for the claim about the Sunday Times in the article, which appears to be an exaggeration that spread across social media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmation of Sunday Times listing here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removing my vote thanks to this research by Atlantic306. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are these press quotes on her website:JENNIFER TERRAN PRESS QUOTES

"Endowed with a voice or heartbreaking purity and melodic talent, Jennifer Terran will most likely rise rapidly to the level of the greats."- TELARAMA (Paris, France)

FOUR STARS Jennifer Terran “THE MUSICIAN” — ROLLING STONE (Germany)

"Breathtaking... timeless... pure... monumental.... Categorizing Jennifer Terran is impossible. Terran is a style of her own." — OOR MAGAZINE (Netherlands)

"She speaks of the unspeakable, with great touch and skill in production, the arrangements and the songs. Jennifer Terran did show her nakedness on the beautiful pictures of 'The Musician', on 'Full Moon In 3' she is naked in the head of the listener. In my mind I give her a kiss." 5 STARS for 'FULL MOON IN 3' — HEAVEN MAGAZINE (Netherlands)

"The Musician is Terran's third album, but strangely enough it has the innocence of a debut. The compositions are fluent and playful, both rough and soft. Terran produced and mixed everything herself, but has succeeded in preventing that the spontaneity of her music was killed by perfectionism. At some point Tori Amos had that same gift, but in the meantime she has become a phenomena. Let's hope that Jennifer Terran will never become world famous." — PLATOMANIA (Netherlands)

"The music of Jennifer Terran is so beautiful it hurts."- CULTURE (Netherlands)

“Jennifer Terran has become an instrument so fine that it may cut you. All the Santa Barbara songwriter's albums have been honed to her exacting specifications of sensitivity and truth; now she has gestated a suite about motherhood, a subject than which no deeper exists. It goes right to the heart, and that hurts (good). It's real art, her best. Maybe the world can stand it.”(Terran’s: Born from the Womb of Silence) — METAL JAZZ.COM / GREG BURKE (USA)

"Not everybody can be both scary and vulnerable; Jennifer Terran can. The scary part is her voice, which spirals into regions so high you fear she'll disappear or crash, and lately it has acquired a diamond-dust edge that can saw through a stack of hearts, first of all her own." - LA WEEKLY (USA)

Top 10 records of the year"Terran is a breathtaking singer. Her vocal innuendos are pure, free of the mannerism of a lot of contemporary female colleagues."- FOCUS (Belgium)

"Pure, that was this concert in one word. No setlist, no décor, only a small lady, with a voice like a storm behind the piano" — STORYVILLE MAGAZINE (Netherlands)

"ALL OF you wondering whether Kate Bush is going to release another album, or if Tori Amos will ever make another record as good as her debut, can stop bothering with such side issues. Here's the album you've been waiting for.... I don't think there's a duff track. Her voice is staggering. And you've got to love someone who can yell out a full-on, Springsteenesque '1-2-3-4!' to announce the arrival of a violin."Terran's "The Musician"- #2 BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR — THE TIMES

If these can be confirmed it should be enough for WP:GNG imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed they were quotes rather than the whole coverage. Anyway hopefully this doesn't get closed before I can check them out, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep although I didn't find all of the sources listed on her website I did find significant coverage in a number of sources. Regarding the Sunday Times there was a review of her album The Musician in the Sunday Times where it was named cd of the week. This was published on 20 October 2002 but unfortunately it is paywalled so perhaps someone with access could check it out. The significant coverage I found was in the LA Weekly here, a music business magazine called Music and Media page 10 here, some album reviews here and here. There is quite a bit of coverage in German sources such as here,here,here,here,here,here,here,here,and here. Also coverage here. Together there is enough coverage for WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as a review of recently found sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete not notable, no real reliable sources that cover this. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Positive critical reception of her music in reliable independent sources, coupled with sufficient secondary coverage identified by Atlantic306 to build a biographical article. There is sufficient here to presume WP:MUSICBIO notability, with high probability of more sourcing existing beyond what googling does immediately identify. I have added a number of the sources to the article to support this. ResonantDistortion 12:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - This is a changed vote, and I struck out my previous vote above. The other folks above have done an impressive amount of research to track down European sources on the musician. I am not convinced that each invidiual review or interview is sufficiently descriptive per WP:SIGCOV, but there are indeed a lot of them, indicating that she has received coverage in certain esoteric quarters. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. Article has been much improved by ResonantDistortion using the sources found by Atlantic306, and there is plenty of biographical info sourced to reliable sources now. In addition to the 2002 "Records of the Year" review in The Times which reads An astonishing album by an almost unknown singer- songwriter. She uses the template carved out by Kate Bush and Tori Amos, but takes her songs into darker territories, especially on Mad Magdaline, her epic tale of revenge against the record industry by ... an unknown singer-songwriter., there are numerous other reviews of her most critically acclaimed album, The Musician. Even before The Musician, she was featured in this 1998 article in the Los Angeles Times (there are four paragraphs describing Terran and her unconventional style – e.g. singing her list of "thank yous" on her second album The Rabbit instead of printing it on the CD cover – preceding the Q&A interview). Next, while it does include several quotes from Terran, the April 2001 feature article in LA Weekly also includes music critic Greg Burk's own assessment of various songs by Jennifer Terran, as well as a description of what one of her live gigs is like and how the audience responded (and it was all before her big break, so it's quite...colorful). In addition to her music, the reason she was notable in the early 2000s was because she started her own record label so she could maintain the rights to her own songs, as described in this 2002 Knight Ridder article, a fact that is also explored in the 2002 feature article on Terran in Music & Media identified earlier. There is a lot more in the way of magazine and newspaper reviews of her other albums as well. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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