Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Keith Packer

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The result was delete and redirect to 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. Daniel (talk) 03:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Keith Packer

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WP:BLP1E, WP:BLPCRIME. This persons is only notable for one event, the storming of the capitol, and his activity there consisted of wearing an objectionable tee-shirt. While some others like have other claims for wider events like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake Angeli‎‎ this person is closer to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam C. Johnson who was WP:SNOW closed. Salix alba (talk): 15:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Salix alba (talk): 15:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Hi. I appreciate your opinion. It is less about the overall rioters, more about the "fame" of this person, globally. Crossing the most red line. From Vox], "If the hoodie was meant to shock (and it surely was), it was a success. Twitter users expressed disgust..." Currently, google search turned up over 4 million results. (362k with quotation marks) Regards.Wil1andar (talk) 16:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nomination. Presuming he gets convicted, he could be merged into a list of perps in the main article, but considering how long it took to identify him, his obscurity is manifest. Mangoe (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
keep Dear Mangoe, do you propose to merge, like here [1]?Wil1andar (talk) 16:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. A redirect could be created if there is a conviction, but per BLP considerations we should let everyone else stigmatize him for now. Mangoe (talk) 18:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect to 2021 storming of the United States Capitol per WP:BLP1E and WP:BLPCRIME. Not a policy, but this scumbag insurrectionist also doesn't deserve an article. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and partially merge - Doesn't deserve his own article, but can be mentioned briefly in the article 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect as indicated above. The subject didn't receive notable coverage for anything before this event and will simply be a footnote added to the event once everything is concluded. In short, not notable for anything other than this event and probably never will be but if that changes we can revisit. Until then the subject doesn't pass WP:N. Note: The number of hits received on Twitter or subscribers on YouTube or views on a webpage is no indication of notability. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 19:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. OrgoneBox (talk) 03:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to 2021 storming of the United States Capitol per WP:BLP1E and WP:BLPCRIME. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 15:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Q. How about redirecting to Neo nazi related page?Wil1andar (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the main Capitol protest article. There is no need to have a separate article for every person who is publicly called out for their participation. ... discospinster _talk 19:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to the article on the capitol storming. He is a classic example of violating one event notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt controversy. His notoriety is because of the sweatshirt, and it's clear that the page on the Capitol storming/riots/insurrection is bloated enough as it is. --Bangalamania (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That article has less chance of surviving than this one. --Salix alba (talk): 18:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then Keep this. Merging this content into the main article will make it even more unwieldy than it is. He is a notable individual. --Bangalamania (talk) 19:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BLP1E. Yoninah (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Again do we really need an article about every person who was arrested from the Capitol storming? No we don't need to these guys any more publicity. JayJay^{What did I do?} 04:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This person is at the center of three news stories: the Capitol storm, the state of Antisemitism, and sales policy of stores with political products. This is not routine media coverage of a typical protest participant, and it would be disruptive to merge the discussion here about the Auschwitz concentration camp into the main storming article when Auschwitz was not a main protest point. All the media coverage has led to additional media coverage including some biographical context of this person. There is a complementary article at Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt controversy also nominated for deletion. I think the content from thee sweatshirt article should get merged here, because this person is the center of a few discussions and will be the subject of future media including the outcome of his court case. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He is at the intersection of these issues, but those are three separate stories— or to the degree that they need to be discussed together, the insurrection story is the primary article, and moreover, he is by no means the only person sporting antisemitic merch at the Capitol invasion. Indeed, the story in context was that there were many people so attired there, in a variety of slogans. And once that story is told, there's nothing to be said about him personally except routine police blotter stuff. And all of this is disregarding all the various BLP angles on this. Mangoe (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:TENYEARTEST. This person played a minimal part in the storming and is only really "notable" for others because of the sweater he was wearing. This article suffers from significant recentism and WP:NOTNEWS problems. If there is any need to have any content about this person it can be dealt with in the mmain article about the event itself.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 06:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete & Redirect to Aftermath of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, per nom... clearly fails WP:BLP1E... there is almost as much information about him in the short paragraph about his arrest on the main (sub)article than on this page, it seems the clothing he was wearing is more notable than he... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt controversy with a redirect to this article. Editors should also consider whether they want to keep the sweatshirt-related content here or as part of another article. Sandstein 09:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIIW, I think it should redirect to Aftermath of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol#January 13. There is a paragraph about him there. He doesn't seem to be mentioned in the main article at all, except for a link in the table at the end (which would be removed if this article becomes a redirect).--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This is exactly the kind of case that BLP1E exists for. As for merging the sweatshirt content into the main "Storming" article, I don't think it merits more than an aside e.g. "... protesters, some displaying anti-semitic slogans, ..." but no more. Not everything in the news belongs in wikipedia.-Ich (talk) 09:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the article on the storming of the Capitol. No need for an article on the individual. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable for wearing a shirt. cookie monster (2020) 755 05:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This one is going to be a tough one to keep unless he was more involved in the storming event. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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