Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zubov

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn per HEY, BEFORE, and a little dash of self-TROUT. I was nominating based on its similarity to other articles and lack of sources and I kind of got carried away. Primefac (talk) 21:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zubov

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This technically falls under WP:BLPPROD based on the last few paragraphs, but I want to point out that even without those paragraphs this is basically a duplicate of Zubov (surname), and that page should be moved here. It has been unreferenced since it was created and offers little more than the surname dab does. Recommending either moving the (surname) page to this location or redirecting this page there. Primefac (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The proposal has no merit. Zubov (surname) is a disambiguation page, whereas Zubov is the page about a comital (Reichsgraf) and princely (Reichsfürst) family. It offers much more than a mere dab and has been there for as long if not longer. You may equally argue that Howard family is "basically a duplicate" of Howard, Spencer family is "basically a duplicate" of Spencer, etc. - and prod these as well. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, except that it has almost no information other than a list of names. Additionally, it's completely unsourced. Primefac (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You should have added an appropriate tag ("unreferenced", "fact", etc.) or added references yourself rather than filing a request for deletion. Lack of references is not a valid reason for deleting articles about historical personalities. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, but "this doesn't add anything to the encyclopaedia" sure is. Primefac (talk) 19:11, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ. Two centuries ago the Zubov family owned about half of the territory of Lithuania. We have plenty of articles about its residences: Rundāle Palace, Raudonė Castle, Zubovai Palace, Žagarė Manor, etc. I see no valid reason for deleting an entry about the family itself. --Ghirla^-трёп- 21:07, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A good rule of thumb is that topics that have articles on multiple other wikipedia language projects tend to be notable. Check the Russian language version for plenty of sources for GNG. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 20:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Verifiable, referenced. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable specific family. Antrocent (♫♬) 21:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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