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June 15

Harold Cowart

I have never done a page, but i want to do one for my step dad. He was the bassist for the Bee Gees and has several platinum albums. The problem is I have no idea what I am doing and want to do it justice. I am putting up a place holder for Harold now and will be interviewing him as well as researching his discography, so I can gather all the information. I just need a good template to make sure the format is clear. Do yo have a good guide or templates for musicians, I would also like to do ne for my dad who was a writer one day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avezes (talk • contribs) 07:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Before you start work on the page for your stepdad, you need to bear a few things in mind. The most important is that in order to qualify for inclusion in this encyclopedia he must be a notable musician. You can read more about this concept here. In a nutshell this means that there must already be references to him, his work and life in reliable publications such as newspapers, books and magazines. If such references exist then you should use them as the backbone of your article. If they don't exist then I'm sorry but Harold may not be a suitable subject for an article. Good luck, --Viennese Waltz ^talk 08:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I second Viennese Waltz's advice, and would add a couple of extra points. If you do contribute material about Harold Cowart to Wikipedia, please bear in mind that it won't be a "page for" him; it will be an "encyclopaedia article about" him - i.e. it will be neutral and factual, and neither you nor Harold will have any control over the article once it's published: anyone can edit it. Interviewing him may help you assemble your facts, but you won't be able to cite anything he tells you as a source for the article, because that's original research; Wikipedia articles rely on material that's already been published in reliable sources, as VW explains above, so you'll need to confirm his information elsewhere. If you do want to go ahead, you should read WP:COI first, which explains the difficulties of writing about someone with whom you are closely connected. Rather than inserting a placeholder, which is liable to be deleted, you should draft your article in a sandbox in your user space. To do this, click on this red link: User:Avezes/Harold Cowart, type something into the box, then save the page. You can then draft the article with little danger of it being nominated for deletion. Best wishes, Karenjc 17:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You might also find the Bee Gees article of use, and the links to other musicians such as Marcus Miller and Pino Palladino to give you an idea of how musician articles are put together. Astronaut (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Why didn't the movie, the Diary of a Wimpy Kid (film) even touch the internet with a 10-foot pole?

Throughout this whole movie, the friends don't ever mention emailing each other, seeing each other on (a social networking website), or anything to do with the Internet whatsoever? Nowadays, kids regularly email each other and see each other on social networking sites all the time. Why would this movie cut out such critical elements of today's social lives?

Why didn't the kids even have a phone? (I hear that nowadays, even some 2nd graders are given their own phones now. The movie involved 6th graders.)

So why don't they seem to touch upon anything to do with these new technologies? If this movie takes place 15-20 years in the past, why didn't a caption indicate the year at the beginning of this movie?

What gives here about the lack of Internet and mobile phone use? --70.134.209.34 (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the film myself, but presumably it doesn't show them going to the toilet either, although kids do that pretty regularly as well. What I'm saying is, there is no need for a film to aim for 100% realism about the lives of its characters. It's up to the director and/or screenwriter to decide what goes in the film, and maybe they just didn't think it was that important to show the characters emailing, texting or whatever. --Viennese Waltz ^talk 14:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

"...but presumably it doesn't show them going to the toilet either, although kids do that pretty regularly as well."

LOL, funny you should mention it! The protagonist talks about the horror of the bathroom stalls not having doors when he enters one of the restrooms, and so he decides to "hold it in until high school." (Really, hold it in until he's home.) The boys ARE seen taking the #2 in this movie, believe it or not. (On a side-note, I SWEAR that if I EVER found out that my kids' school did not have doors on the bathroom stalls, I would take legal action, pull my child out and to a different school, and lobby for the doors to get installed. I would turn that oversight into a HUGE media circus because no doors on stalls deprive the kids of a very basic need.) I saw this at the movie theater, I swear, and it should be on the DVD release as well. If not, look in the "Deleted Scenes" section. --70.134.209.158 (talk) 21:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I think a simple answer is: It would be boring to show kids texting instead of talking. 72.2.54.36 (talk) 23:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Weather at world cup games

What are the coldest and warmest world cup finals games? Is tonights game in Jo'burg one of the coldest? Has a world cup finals game ever been suspended or abandoned due to bad weather? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.82.203 (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

One of West Germany's games in the second round of the 1974 World Cup was delayed significantly because the pitch was water-logged from a previous rainstorm and had to be dried before play could commence. I remember seeing film of some sort of machinery being used, but I can't remember what exactly. --Xuxl (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Right Here, Right Now (Fatboy Slim song)—where did this sample come from?

Where did the sample 'Waking up to find your love's not real' come from on Right Here, Right Now? It comes in at about 1:51.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 19:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

North Korea & Japan in association football

North Korea (Korea DRP) and Japan are both members of the Asian Football Confederaton, but Japan don't recognise North Korea as a state. So if North Korea were to draw Japan in the qualification rounds for the FIFA World Cup, and had to play away over there (does this even happen? I'm not familiar with AFC rules), then have there ever been any problems in the matches? For example, would Japan play the national anthem of Korea DRP before a match? Do they just play it anyway and ignore the fact that North Korea is not recognised? Do Korea DRP have other teams play in their territory given their stance on foreign countries? Thanks! Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  20:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

"Doesn't recognize as a state" refers to the fact that the Government of Japan does not have normal diplomatic relations with North Korea. But its not like they don't recognize the de facto existance of the state. They aren't stupid. They don't put their fingers in their ears whenever the DPRK is mentioned saying "I don't believe in you! You don't exist! LALALALA". Furthermore, they do deal with North Korea at times, even diplomatically (see Six-party talks for a recent example), they just don't exchange ambassodors or deal with each other through normal diplomatic channels. As another point of order, what the Japanese government does or does not do with its ambassadors vis-a-vis the DPRK has little bearing on what the Japanese Football Association does. There's no problem with the teams meeting on the field of play, such as the 1992 AFC Asian Cup competition, where both teams were part of Group A, and played to a 1-1 tie, or the 2006 FIFA World Cup qualification (AFC) when they were both part of Group B in the third round. --Jayron32 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

In fact, Kim Seong-Yong and Ryang Yong-Gi were born and raised, and are living, in Japan, but they sometimes play as a member of North Korean national team. Oda Mari (talk) 05:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

In the qualification for the current World Cup they played South Korea four times (two home, two away, in two different rounds) - and they don't politically and officially recognize each other. The North Korean anthem was played on South Korean soil, but the North Koreans refused to play the South Korean one on theirs, so their home matches were played in China. Rimush (talk) 10:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Jong Tae-Se, a Korean in Japan, is playing at 2010 FIFA World Cup as a member of the North Korea national team. Oda Mari (talk) 17:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

And An Yong-Hak too. Oda Mari (talk) 17:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Jong Tae-se is a South Korean born in Japan, who plays for the North - even better. Rimush (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)