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The result was Speedy Keep‎. I"m withdrawing this on the grounds that there has been sustained coverage of the individual after they were sentenced. (non-admin closure) TarnishedPath^talk 10:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed Bouyeri

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This is a WP:BLP1E. TarnishedPath^talk 07:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We would either have to merge all of this to Van Gogh's article, where it would be massively undue weight, or create an article on the murder. We do not have this article on the murder; personally I think it makes more sense to structure this as an article on Bouyeri given what the sources focus on (Islamist radicalization). He's of much of a BLP1E as Mark David Chapman (also a killer of a famous person). BLP1E only applies when these three factors all apply:

Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. (applies)
The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article. (does not apply)
The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant, and his role was both substantial and well documented (does not apply)

Only 1 of the three BLP1E factors apply. His role in the murder is very well documented, with virtually all content on it giving extensive focus to his role and his background and what lead him to the role. He has also been sentenced in the murder of a high profile famous person for quite a while so he he is not quite "low profile". The murder was one of the most notorious acts of terrorism in the country. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't complain if the outcome was a article rename and refactor. See Brenton Tarrant for for an individual who has a stronger case to have their own article but who the community decided to merge into an event article. TarnishedPath^talk 09:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case,

1) an event article already existed

2) the crime was more recent, which has different concerns

3) that was a new article someone had just made, not the status quo, it only briefly existed

4) the victims were not individually famous as Van Gogh was

5) the article was very bad and contained nothing the main page didn't it was just a content fork

I think the case for him having an article was actually much worse. None of the content in that article was merged (because it was a bad content fork) it was just wholesale deleted. I'm not 100% opposed to it being converted into an event article, but it would be writing a whole new article and that is an editorial decision that should not have gone to AfD because as is we have nowhere to put this information; I am entirely opposed to deleting this or merging it into Van Gogh's article. I also think, given what the sources choose to focus on, it makes more sense for now to keep it how it is, so an event article would not be my preference. To make it an event article someone would have to do the work to do that, or it will end up getting backdoor deleted and redirected to Van Gogh (as regularly happens) which will make the encyclopedia worse. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further, here are the WP:CRIMINAL criteria:

"For perpetrators,

The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities; or

The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role."

Both of these are true in Bouyeri's case. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll withdraw this as a Speedy Keep as it is clear there has been sustained coverage after his sentencing. I'll start a discussion on the article talk to gauge if there is any appetite for an article move. TarnishedPath^talk 10:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 13:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Galician exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete potentially endless lists of trivial examples of an obvious phenomenon. —Tamfang (talk) 23:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maltese exonyms

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Indiscriminate largely unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: another potentially endless list of examples of the trivial fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography. —Tamfang (talk) 23:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Two previous AFDs, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Delete. Since Malta never had sovereignty over these areas and the Maltese language has not been spread there, this fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Geschichte (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography, okay, we get it; no need for another potentially endless list of trivial examples. —Tamfang (talk) 23:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss. I do not understand how there are just 8 articles of exonyms right now in AfD, each one with its own discussion, when the same reasons can be applied to the 92 articles that populate Category:Lists of exonyms, or at least, to the 43 mentioned in {{Exonyms per language}}. It would not be fair to delete these 8 articles and allow Greek exonyms, Spanish exonyms or Dutch exonyms to survive when they are essentially the same concept of list in a different language. In my opinion the proposals should be centralized into a single discussion of all articles, the navbox and the categories. --SMP - talk (en) - talk (ca) 11:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there have been attempts to group all those articles into one AfD nomination: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of names of European cities in different languages and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans exonyms. They failed due to the large amount of articles being considered, resulting in no consensus. Additionally, some of those (but probably not most) might be notable. toweli (talk) 11:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And some of the reasons I gave don't apply to some of the lists, not all of them are unreferenced (there may be at least a book/link in the references section), not all of them are indiscriminate (i.e. they focus on a specific region, like Hungarian toponyms in Prekmurje). They're probably still not wiki-notable, though. toweli (talk) 12:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not all exonym lists are equal. I would preserve, for example, German names for places formerly in Germany or the Habsburg empire; or lists that concentrate on nontrivial differences. —Tamfang (talk) 03:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, well, yes, this does seem to be both indiscriminate and uncited, and looking far too much like a bit of dictionary. That doesn't mean that a proper article on the formation of Catalan exonyms would not be of interest, if reliable sources can be found for that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 14:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It could be worth keeping if it excludes obvious respellings. —Tamfang (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Already at AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans exonyms) so Soft Deletion isn't an option.
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Keep. There is a definition of exonyms given by the UN that means that such lists are not indiscriminate, but instead pass WP:LISTCRITERIA. By all means cull items that should not be there (such as toponyms that are the mere result of orthographic rules in different languages). But such lists themselves are encyclopedic. As for appealing to recent rulings, what's actually happened is that there has been a huge bunch of individual nominations, some closed very quickly, without any notification placed on the page most people interested in the topic would see: Talk:Endonym and exonym. OsFish (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 04:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U-12 European Baseball Championship

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Just a results listing with only sources being primary. Fails GNG and WP:SPORTSEVENT. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, complete trivia. Geschichte (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG . --181.197.42.150 (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 19:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NOTDICTIONARY. There are also some serious quality issues where outdated or rare names are presented as valid.Sjö (talk) 10:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDICTIONARY and WP:LIST. I’m confused why it’s here. If there are scholarly articles about how exonyms are formed in the Swedish language, then please produce them. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Latvian exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as none of these (without exception?) have been ruled by Latvia throughout history, there is no natural connection between Latvia and a set group of cities to establish a selection, making it fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Geschichte (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 04:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Europe of Sovereign Nations (party)

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The relevant article already exists Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. The existence of a second article is abusive, all the more so if it offers the reader nothing different or new in terms of information. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Oppose~~ legally distinct entities: see ECR party & group; EPP party & group Braganza (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the essential difference between the two? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

one is a european party, the other is a group

FvD is member of the party but not the group Braganza (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just like at the national level, European parties are extra-parliamentary entities, while political groups are entities that operate only within the confines of the (European) Parliament. Membership is different, leadership is different, rules are different, roles are different, names and logos are (often) different, etc. Julius Schwarz (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Indeed, seems like a clear case of confusing European political party and political group of the European Parliament. Should have read the disambiguation page Europe of Sovereign Nations. Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose, it is a separate entity and has one different member.--Jay942942 (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, a party and a European parliamentary group are different, there is also seperate articles for the ECR group and the ECR party, I can understand the arguments to delete this page since the ESN is small but we should be consitent on it --LuanLoud (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia, I'm curious about your deletion nomination. How can the presence of a related article on Wikipedia be considered "abusive"? Abusive to who? It's just after looking at thousands of AFD discussions, it's an argument I've never come across before and I'd like to know what you meant. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I picked the wrong word. I meant excessive (too much)- two articles on the same subject. Sorry if I confused you. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not the same subject though. ElTres (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Do those !voting "oppose" perhaps mean "keep"? See WP:DISCUSSAFD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, oppose the proposed deletion. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ to Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. This is not identical to the sovereign nations group, but as long as the party remains aspirational, and the article simply instead lists constitutent members that are parties that form the group, the reader would be better served by having this all in one place. Should this become an actual party it is almost certain that reliable sources would cover it as such and at that point it would merit its own article. We are not there yet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parties do not form a group, MEPs form a group. ElTres (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This the best solution ! Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely not the best solution. These are two distinct legal entities, with different members, different leaders, and different roles. There is no reason to merge these two articles. Even if the Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) did not register as a European political party, it would deserve its own page as a political alliance, of which there are many -- as it would still be distinct from the Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. Julius Schwarz (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are not two legal entities at this time. Even if there were, the different legal entities are not the reason for having an article page. Both entities would need to be independently notable. At this stage the party is not independently notable. If and when it becomes a reality, and when secondary sources then discuss it, that would be when there should be a page. Until then, it is detail that should be on the group page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is objectively false: there are indeed two separate legal entities. The Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) is not yet endowed with European legal personality, but it is indeed registered as an association in Germany and exists as such. And, although notability is more subjective, the two entities are indeed independently notable, as they do not have the same members and roles. Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is about a party (that does not exist) and not about a precursor association. But again, what we need are secondary sources discussing the party. We don't have any, so this does not meet WP:GNG. When it actually becomes a party, that is likely to change. But to date we have nothing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to change "party" to "alliance" or "political alliance" in the title of the page. However, there seems to be a rather strong consensus against deleting this page. Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The party does exist. Proof can be found in Handelsregister Berlin under registration number VR 41308. It just has not yet been registered as European Political Party by the APPF. I agree that secondary sources were missing from the article and have added some. ElTres (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Handelsregister Berlin" is a primary source, so not suitable for WP. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an opinion, no, but for fact? How is a register not a good source for the fact that something is registered? Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) is now a registered European political party. Additional third-party sources were added following the registration. Julius Schwarz (talk) 07:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my analysis of the 3 new sources you added. They do not change my view. Per WP:SUSTAINED, we see that Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Articles saying what the AfD intends to do are not sufficient to write an article about a party that does not exist yet. The information is not irrelevant but a reader is poorly served in having to locate and read an article about a party that has not yet come into existence when this information would be better placed on the page about the group and the page about the AfD.

**Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Tagesschau - AfD will Europäische Partei gründen (AfD wants to found a European party) [1]	Tagesschau is a German national news programme/service hosted by a public service broadcaster. Independent and reliable.		The article discusses their plans, and why they are in a hurry to do this - to access funding - but it confirms no such party exists. This information is current for the Alternative fur Deutschland page, but it cannot tell us about this party as an entity, because it doesn't exist yet. This does not significantly describe the party. It does not tell us what the party is. It cannot even tell us the party will definitely come into being. Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability and so an article about something that does not exist should not exist. There are existing articles where this information should be discussed.	✘ No
RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland - AfD plant Gründung von neuer europäischer Partei (AfD plans to establish new European party) [2]	RDN is the news network for Madsack Media Group which has political control but is independent from the AfD		The same issue as above. The article is about plans, and the desire to access funding. It confirms that the party does not exist yet.	✘ No
ThePostOnline (NL) FVD sluit zich aan bij Europe of Sovereign Nations (FVD joins Europe of Sovereign Nations) [3]	TPO is a Dutch news website. Privately owned but independent.	? They aspire to be like Fox news or CNN and rely heavily on comment. I am not sure if they are considered reliable or not.	The article is about the FVD (Forum voor Democratie) joining the ESB. All we have is Forum voor Democratie (FVD) heeft zich, ondanks afwezigheid in het Europees Parlement, aangesloten bij de nieuwe rechtse politieke beweging Europe of Sovereign Nations. Deze beweging is opgericht door de Duitse partij Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), die eerder werd uitgesloten van de fractie Identiteit en Democratie. That is Forum for Democracy (FVD) has joined the new right-wing political movement Europe of Sovereign Nations, despite its absence in the European Parliament. This movement was founded by the German party Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which was previously excluded from the Identity and Democracy group. That is not significant coverage from which an article can be written.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nom. has nominated deletion, so per nom. would be delete yes? Those stating oppose above probably mean keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i think he means norm like in "normal" Braganza (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Also, arguments like "oppose per nom" makes no sense because if you oppose this article's deletion, then how can you agree with the nominator that it should be deleted? It would be helpful if participants used the standard words, Keep, Delete, Merge, Redirect or Draftify.
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Keep it's a legally distinct entity with separate membership and structural organization. If we have Volt, European Communist Action, &c, we should keep this This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What secondary sources cover it? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep no reason to delete Braganza (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Braganza: would you mind striking the bolded 'oppose' from your previous !vote, so that you don't accidentally get counted twice? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

alright Braganza (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ The more my research on the party progresses, the more I am convinced that it should be deleted. And it's obvious since the article is primarily based on primary sources and has a problem of original research as I have already pointed out with the relevant tag. Meanwhile, those in favour of keeping make no effort to substantiate the notability of the article on the basis of Wikipedia's policy. Probably because they can't. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It has already been pointed out that it is a separate entity from the correspondent EP group, with its own separate leadership and membership. It has already been pointed out that the party has been officially registered as party, and is therefore a legal entity on its own (and not just the idea of a project). It has already been pointed out that the existence of pages for EP groups and European parties bearing the same names and containing potentially overlapping information is a standard in the specific context of European politics. Deleting the page for merely procedural reasons would be a mistake to me.--Fm3dici97 (talk) 21:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are two different organizations: a European political party and a European parliamentary group. I see absolutely no point in deleting the party page. I see the problems that this page has, but even they are not a reason for deleting. It's like deleting an article about the European People's Party, merging it into the EPP group (or vice versa). PLATEL (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But there is not a political party as it hasn't yet been registered as a political party. Registration is pending. But even if we take the pre-registered association as something, there remain no reliable secondary sources covering this. If the party were registered, we might presume notability, but until that happens, it is entirely possible that registration would be withdrawn and it would never be notable. If there were reliable secondary sources significantly covering the party, then it would pass GNG. At this stage neither is true. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no European political party at this point, as registration is pending, but there is a political alliance, as has already been pointed out several times. Sure, there may need to be further sources, but this shortcoming does not seem to warrant (in the eyes of almost all contributors here) the proposed merger. Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no point...no one cares about the lack of sources. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ Keep, see EPP/EPP Group, ECR Party/ECR Group. I'll grant the article needs improvement, but deletion is out of the question. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 08:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A clearer consensus? Seems pretty clear to me when reading the page.. Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sources do we have that discuss the party and provide us information from which an article about this part can be written? We need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, per WP:GNG. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have struck my merge vote above. The registration of the party has succeeded. If it had failed, then this would never have been notable. Now it has succeeded I expect we are WP:TOOSOON in that we do not yet have any sources that meet GNG, but a merge is no longer appropriate as there is now a party which differs from the group. It is too soon, and there isn't sourcing, but a presumption of notabilty would now fall in favour of sources being forthcoming in the future. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:35, 2 October 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No sources – no article! I'm happy to change my mind if someone shows significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, which issue has gotten remarkably little attention during this AfD. From a quick skim of the sources in the article, I can only see one (the Euronews one) that actually meets the criteria. Some of the English-language ones also seem to be conflating party and parliamentary group. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 02:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([4], [5], [6] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([7], [8], [9], [10], [11]) Visions [de] ([12], [13] + some information in [14], [15]) and Ox-Fanzine ([16], [17], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The reviews provided by toweli are enough to demonstrate notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Albania

Florat

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As of November 2024, there has been no new media coverage or updates since the previous deletion proposal, and the subject still fails to meet Wikipedia:Notability. Iaof2017 (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the sources already identified in the first AFD discussion. There was unanimous consensus (other than the nominator) that those sources met WP:SIGCOV in the first AFD. WP:Notability is not temporary and the need for more recent sources is not necessary. WP:GNG was already proved to be met in the first AFD, and that holds forever.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALBANA (artist)

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Subject fails to meet Wikipedia:Notability, with no verifiable career achievements or significant news coverage to support its inclusion. Iaof2017 (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. I dont see anything that claims of the career achievements- no point. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. With citations to unreliable sources like YouTube, this article is a mess. I could find nothing but self promotional material. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 00:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aldo Guna

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Badly sourced BLP with no evidence of meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. The best source found in my search was Soccernet, which is just a squad list mention. I have searched under "Aldo Guna" and "Erald Guna". Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom - cannot find any evidence of any notability, Fails GNG-- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 11:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serxhio Emini

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Played 32 minutes in Albania’s highest league, continuing in the semi-pro second tier. The source currently cited in the article is very short and far from significant. Neither is this. [ https://www.panorama.com.al/sport/serxho-emini-me-bylisin-do-te-shkelqej-edhe-ne-superiore/ This] is 2/3 quotes from Emini, so doesn’t pass muster either. Geschichte (talk) 07:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besian Çeliku

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Potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. My own searches yield only database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obviously fails said guidelines. Geschichte 23:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY -The Gnome (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Endri Shabani

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My nom concerns from the first AfD discussion still hold. This subject fails WP:NPOL and still fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. From cursory search, nothing useful was found too. Also fails WP:NACADEMIC as far as I am concerned. There are no credible claims of significant/importance here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG. I can't find anything notable about the topic on the article nor online, and most news articles about them are months to years apart. Deuxde (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Nisma Thurje as an alternative to deletion. The political party seems to be somewhat notable, but I'm not seeing much notability independent of that for Shabani. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete now Cyberpower7 (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He has not held any role that would confer an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL, but the article is too dependent on primary sourcing, and not nearly enough on WP:GNG-worthy reliable sources, to claim that he would pass GNG in lieu of having to pass NPOL. Bearcat (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
pass WP:NPOL: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage LefterDalaka (talk) 17:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are numerous reports in the Albanian media. euronews al shqiptarja Cna al Politico al telegrafi reporter al Τhere is no reliable Albanian journalistic website that does not host news and comments about him. He is certainly an important Albanian political figure whose article will be deleted only because there are no sources for him in English - LefterDalaka (talk) 17:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LefterDalaka, sources do not have to be in English. I looked through the sources provided in the article before !voting. I also looked through the ones you posted here, also. The Euronews and CNA do not appear to be independent of each other. All appear to be rather glancing coverage. I'm having trouble determining reliability of the publications, but I see some tabloid type concerns. What do you think the WP:THREE best sources for WP:SIGCOV are? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not aware that Euronews and Cna are somehow linked. Do you know something I don't know?😊 Actually I brought these sources to highlight one's encyclopedic nature by combining them all together and not just one. Let's say he is a person who is included in the Barometer, he appears on TV channels on various issues, he is now the chairman of a party, in general he is a completely recognizable and influential person in Albania. LefterDalaka (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our sources do not have to be in English. They do, however, have to be substantive, meaning that they have to contain detailed coverage and analysis about him doing something noteworthy, and it isn't enough that sources can be found which just happen to have his name in them. For instance, an article "about" public opinion polling on his popularity or unpopularity does not support notability, and a very short blurb about him commenting on something that happened to somebody else does not support notability. He has to be the subject (not the speaker) of a reasonably long and detailed (not a short blurb) piece of coverage and analysis about him (not just featuring him giving a soundbite comment about somebody else) before that source starts to support notability, and even then there have to be several sources of that high calibre (not just one) before he's cleared the bar. Bearcat (talk) 17:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Not seeing anything here that would meet WP:PROF. No publications appearing on GS at all? With a PhD in 2020 would seem likely to be a case of too early career on that front. No opinion on press coverage in Albanian. Would be happy with redirect/slim merge to Nisma Thurje if no other source of notability emerges. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andorra

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Karen Madoyan

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Played 1 game in the league and 1 game in the cup prior to disappearing. The article also alleges that he played for Armenia U17 at some point. My own searches yielded Cherno More and Varna Utre, neither of which show enough depth for WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. CoconutOctopus talk 13:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, makes no credible claim to notability or significance. Geschichte (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dabil (1517)

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Same issues as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kerh (1516) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Qara-Hamid (1510). Doesn't seem notable, poorly formatted and unverifiable citations. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I can’t find any sources at all to support this. In addition Kızıl Ahmet Bey did not die at it as shown in the Infobox, and according to this source neither did Mirza Mehmet. Created by a blocked sockpuppet. Mccapra (talk) 06:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as obviously incorrect content. I would actually not be averse to moving this to draft space, just in case research turns up something, but the misinformation already contained makes me leery than anything would turn up. BD2412 T 15:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Austria

Isabella von Thurn und Valsássina-Como-Vercelli

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Articles for deletion/Isabella von Thurn und Valsássina-Como-Vercelli

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The importance of the article is not shown. The deposed princess by marriage who did not become famous for anything. - RobertVikman (talk) 17:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Prince Ludwig Rudolf of Hanover#Marriage and death. All the relevant details are there. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - the references include the husband. Bearian (talk) 04:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bulgaria

Aleksandar Mihaylov

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Mihailov played a mere few seconds in the league and 6 minutes in the cup prior to disappearing. The best sources found are Novsport, Varna 24 and Varna Utre, none of which are even close to showing WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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One appearance nearly a decade ago does not notability make. Delete. CoconutOctopus talk 13:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, makes no credible claim to notability or significance. Geschichte (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Madoyan

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Played 1 game in the league and 1 game in the cup prior to disappearing. The article also alleges that he played for Armenia U17 at some point. My own searches yielded Cherno More and Varna Utre, neither of which show enough depth for WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. CoconutOctopus talk 13:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7, makes no credible claim to notability or significance. Geschichte (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zdravko Dermenov

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Dermenov has had an unremarkable career to date and the article is currently nothing more than a stats stub. Blitz was the best source in my searches but it's only a match report for a match in which he received a red card. Other sources like Novsport and Gong are only trivial mentions. No indication of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. More so an unremarkable, he barely had any career at all. Geschichte (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Croatia

Pizza in Croatia

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Complete trivia. Nothing encyclopedic in here. Every country eats and serves pizza. We don't need a series of pages around the whole world of "Pizza in x". Geschichte (talk) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete on WP:TNT grounds. I do think it would be possible to write a GNG-qualifying article on pizza in Croatia using Croatian sources (see [18]), but this article is so far away from that there's no content at all to save. SportingFlyer T·C 08:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete In Laurel, Maryland, there is a restaurant which is an Italian/Indian/Nepali dusion: you can get a chicken tikka calzone there. Pizza is one of the most universal of cuisines now, and this article makes no real attempt to suggest that there's something special about how the Croatians do it. Between GNG and TNT this thing needs to go. Mangoe (talk) 13:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pizza in Croatia has only really been around since the 1980s, but there's now a number of excellent pizza restaurants in the country which have been recognised internationally. As I've said, this article isn't impossible to write, but a notable article would be ... in the opposite direction of the article that currently exists. SportingFlyer T·C 20:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all the above. We don't need Hamburgers in Hungary or Curry in Colombia, however much they like 'em, for the same reasons. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT with no prejudice against a proper article being created.--Laun chba ller 16:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. There doesn’t appear to be anything particularly noteworthy about pizza in Croatia, so any coverage of "pizza in Croatia" is limited to general information that applies to pizza and pizzerias worldwide. Most countries, except for a handful like the United States, Argentina, and Italy, don’t require standalone articles about their pizza. The current List of pizza varieties by country is not too long, and significant information could also be incorporated without issue into the Pizza article. Interestingly, I was surprised to find that Pizza in North Korea exists, and is quite well-written. Mooonswimmer 22:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Sulentic

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Biography of a businessperson, not properly referenced as having a strong claim to passing inclusion criteria for businesspeople. The attempted notability claim here is that he owned local businesses, which is not "inherently" notable without WP:GNG-worthy sourcing for it, but the only footnotes provided are a glancing namecheck of his existence on one page of a government report and a very short blurb in the nearest bigger-city newspaper to his hometown upon his death, neither of which are substantive enough to get him over GNG. (There was also a stack of primary sources contextlessly listed under the references section without actually being used to footnote anything in the article body, which aren't support for notability and which I've removed on WP:ELNO grounds.)
While this isn't a deletion rationale per se, it also warrants note (because it speaks to how much traffic and maintenance this is getting) that even though he lived and worked and died in Waterloo, Iowa, the article has spent six years incorrectly wikilinking to Waterloo, Ontario instead of Iowa, and the name of his department store ("Pinkerton's") was also incorrectly wikilinked to Pinkerton, Ontario despite that place having nothing to do with Nicholas Sulentic (or either of the Waterloos) either. And furthermore, there was an obvious conflict of interest here, as the creator's username was Tsulentic, indicating a member of the subject's own family.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have more and better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 20:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. This appears to have been a successful local business person, one of thousands. Bearian (talk) 04:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Maybe keep. The Silos & Smokestacks National Heritage Area which is run by the National Park Service has a webpage on the man here ( https://www.campsilos.org/wp-content/uploads/excursions/grout/one/act5b.htm ) Granted its for school children learning history at the museum, but being the subject of study for school kids at a museum run by the NPS would seem to confer some historic significance beyond WP:MILL. There is a foundation and park named for him according to this.4meter4 (talk) 22:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lubo Smid

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Not meeting WP GNG nor ANYBIO; promotional page with no sufficient media coverage according to WP RS RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment, It is said that Forbes is a reliable source according to WP:FORBES. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete + comment I looked at this more and also read WP:ANYBIO further. I dont see an exactly "well known" award. Read this quote from WP:ANYBIO:
The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times;
I feel that just the "Esquire Man 2023" award and the "Forbes 30 Under 30" award just don't fit this rule- I dont exactly think these are major. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both the Esquire and Forbes titles are local licenses and the awards are pay to play or subtle variations on cash actually changing hands. 30 under 30 and like sublists are a pretty debased currency these days... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Kuzmichová

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandr Sinicyn

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Denmark

Others

Proposed deletions

Estonia

List of cinemas in Estonia

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Poorly sourced and fails WP:NLIST. The Estonian language version of this article has more entries but also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only three entries and one notable entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773@LibStar: has good potential to grow per e.g. etwiki list. Some references and info are also added Estopedist1 (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. 46 blue links (ie 46 potential entries...) on the Estonian page, that is an indication that should be noted and that is at least promising. And there is also a list dedicated to those of Tallinn only (in Estonian). Mushy Yank (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails WP:NOTDIR and is only manageable because of the country's relatively small size. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with LibStar and Mangoe, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR. If it had more links and sources, then it might be passable, but it is not acceptable under it's current condition.

Aknip (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Poorly sourced, yes: cleanup issue. Fails NLIST? no, meets NLIST as the topic as a set has received coverage. (Thomson, C. (2007). Estonia - Culture Smart! The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture. Kuperard. for example or Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania(Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147, for a start) At least a redirect and merge to Cinema of Estonia seems warranted to preserve history. The topic would seem to be perfectly encyclopaedic, though.... Mushy Yank (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how precisely and exactly is that list supposed to fall under NOTDIR? Mushy Yank (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Finland

Halonen Cave

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I don't think this meets WP:GNG, and the sources listed in the article don't indicate why it is notable. They simple prove that it does exist. One of them is also a passing mention when ran through google translate. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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France

Christine Barbe

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I wrote this article well over 10 years ago and now I do not believe it qualifies for a Wikipedia article based on WP:GNG. All the sourcing I can find is just passing mentions. Thanks for assuming good faith on this nomination. Missvain (talk) 23:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Norges-la-Ville

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep per WP:SNOW and also WP:TROUT. Geschichte (talk) 18:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep An official administrative division of the country, of course it passes GNG.
Keep per WP:NPLACE #1 Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep its a municipality. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's an administrative sub-division. --Gilc (talk) 21:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep crystal clear notable as a populated place. Can be expanded with information from the French article. SportingFlyer T·C 06:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think that there are plenty of precedents to keep all communes of France, which are more like towns or townships in the United States. We’re going through a drive to find references for all such municipalities in the “Category:Articles lacking sources from December 2009”. Bearian (talk) 03:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aubryists

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No indication of notability. Short mention under Socialist Party (France)#Factions is more than enough. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Socialist Party (France)#Factions. No Google News results for "Aubryist" or "Aubryists". starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I won't support redirect as this article has zero citation/reference to pass WP:GNG Tesleemah (talk) 12:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Tesleemah: [19] [20] mention the term. Though indeed this is a rare term. starship.paint (talk / cont) 12:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I can only see External links here, also there are no inline citations Tesleemah (talk) 12:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh OK!
  
  You were referring to WP:BEFORE. Not bad then Tesleemah (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge with Socialist Party (France). I do not support redirect because this is already mentioned in the party's main article as a faction. Mekomo (talk) 12:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Socialist Party (France)

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Unnecessary split off article stub from Socialist Party (France). No indication of particular notability of this caucus. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This has no notability beyond the mention it already has in Socialist Party (France). Athel cb (talk) 09:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royalists (French Socialist Party)

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Unnecessary stub that is in practice just a list. This can be easily merged into the Factions section under Socialist Party (France), where it already exists in part. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge. Yes, it's just a list of some people who supported Ségolène Royal in 2007. It has no stand-alone notability. Athel cb (talk) 09:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm changing my vote to delete, because there is nothing to merge: it's already covered as far as it deserves at Socialist Party (France). Athel cb (talk) 09:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Georges-Claude_Guilbert

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Articles for deletion/Georges-Claude Guilbert (2nd nomination)

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does not fit criteria for academic relevance and possibility of self promotion Paul John Dedalus (talk) 13:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. 15 years ago, I tagged this stub in the hope that someone would find better sources and fix the issues, yet here we are. Edits over the past 15 years haven’t improved it much. There are sometimes the subjects of articles from the 2000s that end up becoming notable – think of an alderman in 2007 elected to Congress in 2016 – but this isn’t the case here. Bearian (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A professor at a French university. That is all and while it's certainly a praise worthy achievement, Wikipedia is not a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 13:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Janicke Askevold

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I don't think she meets WP:NACTOR, no evidence of significant roles. Directing non notable films doesn't really add to WP:DIRECTOR. And only 1 hit in google news, which is unusual for someone with a career in Europe. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I would say she meets WP:NACTOR with her roles in My Way and China Salesman, two notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you confirm she had significant roles in those 2 films? LibStar (talk) 00:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can. "premier rôle important" says one of the sources cited about her role in My Way (Sofia Kiukkonen) (you can also watch the film); and as for China Salesman, I haven't seen it but all sources mention her as "starring" in the film (https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f344d444f31457a6333566d54/index.html for example, or https://variety.com/2018/film/news/mike-tyson-steven-seagal-china-salesman-bought-1202663343/ or just look at the poster (https://www.thefilmcatalogue.com/films/china-salesman, she's not smaller than Steven Seagal :D) Mushy Yank (talk) 23:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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My database access has borked so I can't evaluate these properly, but there are lots of Norwegian newspapers that mention her here. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kaoli Isshiki

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage in any of the sources. Two of the three cited sources don't even mention the subject, and the one source that does simply lists her as one of several singers in a chamber choir (she is one of four singers in the soprano section). 4meter4 (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I looked as promised, don't know yet. Solo appearance at the BBC Proms is at least something. I added some external links to check out. Her repertoire seems off the beaten track, plenty contemporary, and we might want to support that. I found the ref from which most of the article was taken and reworded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding: the French article has 24 references. I guess that some are those I also found (now in external links). Will look closer tomorrow, but someone knowing French might be more more successful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I haven't looked at those yet, but the English article is now referenced. For me, she is notable enough, having made interesting recordings, with notable ensembles and conductors, and only favourable reviews. She is not a diva-type soprano: that should not be a reason to delete. The article serves many links to music that is not normally in focus, both Baroque as contemporary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the French sources, I need help to not misread the French:
1. [21] This Le Monde article says that she won a prize.
2. [22] This is a more detailed review of her singing (not just "outstanding").
3. [23] recital
4. [24] recording --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt I don't think this in-depth enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. The last source is selling her CD and is not independent or significant coverage. The prod-s.com website also lacks independence. The Le Monde article spends half a sentence on her, and is a smaller not all that notable prize. The main prize went to another performer, Richard Rittelman, who deservedly is the focus of that article. Only the anaclase.com source approaches significant coverage (and honestly it isn't long enough to be considered in-depth as it devotes less than a paragraph of the article to her performance). Laurent Cuniot is the main subject of that article not Isshiki. There's not enough here to pass WP:NSINGER or WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Wikipedia only for those who win first prize? - This is a performer of several unusual recordings, and performances in Paris, Brussels, Proms, ... - Aldeburgh could be added. - Deborah Sasson was kept, but achieved less in the music world. She knew how to attract the press, however. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt This has nothing to do with the evaluating the worth of prize winners, but evaluating the quality of coverage of Kaoli Isshiki in sources. A half sentence of text is not significant coverage, and if the award were significant we would expect more coverage in independent media or academic publications. We can only build articles based on our notability guidelines which requires that we support articles with extant sources that contain significant coverage. That does mean that what journalists and academics choose to pay attention to directly impacts the types of articles we can create because we can't engage in WP:Original Research. That is both a limitation and a strength of writing on wikipedia. The fact that you have yet to locate any sources directly about Isshiki where she is the primary subject indicates that she isn't notable for wikipedia's purposes. This indicates that a journalist or an academic researcher needs to do some work before we can have an article and it is WP:TOOSOON for wikipedia to write on this person.4meter4 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that our coverage should depend on one reviewer's or academic's personal attention or lack of that, when her contributions to music are facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then fundamentally you have missed the point of wikipedia's core policies at WP:No original research, WP:VERIFIABILITY, and WP:SIGCOV. We can't build articles largely verified to primary and non-independent sources. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Informations about concerts and recordings are facts, not original research. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:PSTS which states, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. The issue here is that there is not enough secondary coverage of her performances and recordings to establish the notability of those performances and recordings, and to make sure the "facts" are presented in an encyclopedic and neutral manner. Building an article from primarily primary materials and sources closely connected to the subject does not match the policy language at PSTS. At this point we have found zero secondary or tertiary sources with significant coverage. That makes the topic both not notable, and any article built from the current sources in evidence a violation of PSTS policy on the no original research page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Please educate me on my talk, not here. - Edit conflict, response only to the beginning of the comment above.) I didn't write this article, and probably would not have created it. But now it's there. I don't think we need "research" to agree that The Proms are notable, and that singing all of Monteverdi's Vespers (not just solos) is an admirable feat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting policy language here isn't about educating you Gerda (although if it does that is a bonus). It's relevant policy language to the discussion. Providing textual evidence for an WP:AFD argument is what we are supposed to do at an AFD for the benefit of all participants. I have provided a detailed source analysis below, showing how none of the references constitute independent significant coverage as required by WP:Notability.`4meter4 (talk) 01:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz, could you please notify relevant projects, such as Opera and Women (in Music, in Red), - Song is not relevant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
Le Monde	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Non-notable award that receives only a half sentence of coverage in the article. The article is mainly about another person who won a different award which is notable. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Anaclase.com review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Article is primarily a review of Laurent Cuniot and the TM+ ensemble at the Maison de la musique. Isshiki is only mentioned in passing, and the paragraph she is in is primarily not about her performance but about the song cycle by Jonathan Harvey. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recital at prod-s.com	N	N	Y	N	N	The PROD-S company is the production company which produced the recital concert by Ishki. As they are a production team directly connected to the recital, and promote their events on their website this lacks both independence and significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recording	N	N	Y	N	N	Vendor selling Isshiki's CD. Does nothing but verify a recording exists. It does not provide any information on the recording, and the website also lacks independence as it is selling a product featuring the subject. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ruhrtriennale.de	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of Festival der Kunste which employed the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Ensemble William Byrd	N	N	Y	N	N	Isshiki is listed as one of four sopranos in a chamber choir on the website of the choir itself. This is either neither independent or significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ludusmodalis.com	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of the Ludus Modalis website which employs the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Review at musica-dei-donum.org	Y	Y	N	Y	N	Review from a WP:SELFPUBLISHED non-notable blog. Not a reliable source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Philharmonie de Paris	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the Philharmonie de Paris. Verifies she performed with the orchestra in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
BBC Proms	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the BBC proms. Verifies she performed with the BBC proms in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Voce.de	N	?	N	N	N	Voce.de is a WP:SELFPUBLISHED personal website of Hans-Josef Kasper. Not reliable. May or may not be independent. No way to tell with a self-published source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Brusseks Philharmonic	N	N	Y	N	N	Website of the Brussels Philharmonic. It's the orchestra's performance archive and is both a primary source and lacks independence from the subject as the orchestra employed her. Can be used to verify the performance but is not usable towards proving notability. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Res Musica review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent secondary source, but Isshiki's performance is only given a half sentence of attention. It is not in-depth enough to be considered significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
conservatoire-orchestre.caen.fr/	N	N	Y	N	N	This is an advertisement with ticket sale pricing and links for purchasing. It is not a review, not independent, and not significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
musicweb-international.com	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review of album on which Isshiki performs on a couple songs as a guest artist. However, her performance was not reviewed at all by the reviewer who did not mention her at all in the review. She is only listed as a performer on the couple songs to which she contributed. Without any text reviewing her work, this is not in-depth coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
French Anthologies	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review in a reliable secondary source. However, the review of Isshiki's performance is only a half sentence long. It's not in-depth enough to constitute significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
www.recordsinternational.com	N	N	Y	N	N	This is the website of a record label selling one its albums. Not independent nor significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

I am travelling, and busy with other subjects, sorry for a late reply. Thank you for diligent analysis of sources, 4meter4. My issue is that it sees every item only on its own, not in context.

Of course there are, in general, biographies around that were written by the person in question or by a publicity specialist, but in this case I see the things mentioned there (studies in Europe, award, performances, recordings) also supported by trustworthy other references. I also don't see any items in the biography (which is repeated by other sites) that I'd consider far-fetched or sensational claims.

I see a singer performing in high quality and in teams, be it ensemble or with other soloists. I like that approach. I see her performing the lesser-performed music, both old and new, and would like to showcase that instead of deleting it. As John pointed out (below), there are different ways to establish notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this Amazon listing which has her credited on all but one track. The main artist seems to be Pascal Dusapin. Then I found that her artist page at Amazon has four albums listed, one of which is under her own name. Here is another listing, from the Ensemble Vocal de Pontoise.Wikipedia:Notability (music) says our benchmarks for a standalone article on a musician include "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." Maguelone (her record label) claims to have released work by Reynaldo Hahn and André Jolivet, who are independently notable, and to have been around since 1993. Overall, (and the coverage of her prize in a major French media source counts too) I think that this artist (just) meets WP:NMG, so I think this is a (fairly weak) keep from me. John (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article lacks mention of significant coverage or critical acclaim. There is also no information provided regarding the subject's record sales, chart placements, or awards, despite claims to the contrary. Fails WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 07:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Record sales, chart placements: not relevant for classical music. Recordings are, and recordings are there. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The SNG is tied to the notability of the record label. Albums made with an obscure small record label probably aren't notable. It's not like she recorded for a significant classical music label like Decca, Naxos, or Deutsche Gramophone which have international distribution. We don't even have an article on the label she recorded with which is telling. It looks to me like she is only active with a tiny French independent record label that doesn't appear all that notable. 4meter4 (talk) 17:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgia

Conquests of Inal the Great

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This article is an unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK of Inal the Great. There is insufficient sourcing for Inal's conquests to warrant a standalone page. The sources are all passing mentions of Inal himself (here, here, here), don't even mention him or describe him as a legendary figure), with the one exception of a self-published Circassian nationalist blog. The article was created by a sockmaster and a redirect preferred by multiple editors is being repeatedly reverted by a likely WP:LOUTSOCK. I am seeking consensus for restoration of a stable redirect to Inal the Great. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Germany

Sebastian Stahl

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Article is unsourced with the only external links leading to database-type webpages (WP:NOTDATABASE), only notability appears to be as a relation to the Schumacher family and not his own sporting achievements (therefore failing WP:NMOTORSPORT). MSportWiki (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only coverage out there is of him not taking a doomed flight and every headline (I say 'every', there are like 2), is "Michael Schumacher's stepbrother flew on doomed Germanwings flight one day before crash". Altogether now, 'notability is not inherited' and there's absolutely no SIGCOV of him in his own right, thereby failing WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why has the article average daily page views of over 300 (that's over 100 000 page views in the last 365 days) and why is the article available in 10 languages? That has to come from somewhere so maybe there's coverage we don't see? Currently I tend to vote delete but not with these questions in mind. Killarnee (talk) 10:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didi Beck

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No indication of meeting WP:NMUSICIAN. Promotional. Tagged as problematic for 11 years. Did release an album Ultrafetter Bass in 2023, which has only barely been able to break 1,000 Spotify plays; also, only has a couple hundred followers on Facebook. (These being indicators of non-notability.) Geschichte (talk) 06:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG. Searched Google News, got three results of only brief mentions. [25] [26] [27] (last article is paywalled but seems to be more about the band]. Also his band Boppin' B does not have a page here. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Globalgeschichte/Global History

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Article "PRODded" with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON." Article dePRODded by its creator with reason "Hello, the journal is indeed very new. In my opinion, however, it deserves attention on Wikipedia because of its concept of bilingualism, which sets it apart from its purely German predecessor journal. English-speaking authors who might want to publish their research findings in ‘Globalgeschichte/Global History’ can quickly get an idea of the journal. For example, five out of seven articles in Volume 1 are in English," while adding a reference to an English-language article from the journal as example. None of this answers to the PROD concern, which therefore still stands. Hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Harrassowitz Verlag, see Jahrbuch für europäische Überseegeschichte IgelRM (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete To begin with, this journal has published 3 issues so far, so it is quite premature to state that it is academically significant. All of the sources for the article are from the journal itself or its publisher. I looked up some of the listed editors and they seem to be legit (as opposed to fake ones on some phoney journals). However, an editorial board of four members is pretty thin for an academic journal. I couldn't find a web site that would give submission information. I also note that one of the editors has published in the journal (not fatal but also not a great practice). As Harrassowitz has a good reputation, time will tell, but this is too soon. Lamona (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to point out above that this is the successor to "Jahrbuch für europäische Überseegeschichte", which was published since the 2001. I assumed it had some relevance, hence redirect for both. IgelRM (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no WP@en article for "Jahrbuch" so that doesn't help. Lamona (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As previously said no third party sources in the article and I can't find any on Google, etc., which of course is not surprising with only three issues. This is more of a book series than a magazine and at least WP:TOOSOON. If you argue like the page creator with "it deserves attention on Wikipedia because of its concept of bilingualism", I recommend to carefully read WP:N. This justification is contrary to the objectives of Wikipedia. By the way, the page creator Historian1208 also created the German version of this article but using a different account Historiker1208 and given the username this could be WP:COI. Killarnee (talk) 11:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Hessische Geschichten (via WP:PROD on 7 November 2024)

Greece

Ela Giorgi

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Fails WP:GNG and more specifically WP:WEB. Unremarkable video that became a meme in one country, not notable enough for inclusion. A BEFORE search just gave me very few relavant hits due to the common nature of the title, so if there's anyone (particularly any Greek editors) who can find anything to improve this then fantastic, but otherwise I don't think it should stay.

The article itself is minimal, with the photo used in the article not actually at all relevant and merely a photo of a church in a town near where the video was filmed, for example. CoconutOctopus talk 11:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The article is cited by two independent sources, as the policy of General Notability clearly states. If your before search gave you even a few relevant hits, I don't see why it shouldn't be notable. These hits are still "relevant". The fact that it is "a meme in one country" doesn't stop it from been notable in the English Wiki. After all, the English Wiki is more "global" due to the fact that almost anyone speaks English in our modern, globalized world. To be frank, I can assure you that the Greek wiki is somewhat "conservative" to articles editor percieve as "non-notable". The Greek version was flagged with speedy deletion while it could have just noted as PROD. Thankfully, even the fact that it is just nominated for PROD gives me the opportunity to engage in conversation and defend the article. Thank you, and yes, I mean it😉Μητσίκας (talk) 12:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia not a comic book. This is not a significant event that should have an entry in this encyclopedia. Fails all notability rules. Mekomo (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It suceeds all notability rules. Also I doubt you understand what a comic book is🤔Μητσίκας (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NPA. No need for rudeness. CoconutOctopus talk 17:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatzichristos

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No refs on the page for many years. Searching for refs is difficult because it appears that there have been people with this word as part of their name. I don't speak Greek, I would be interested to see if others can find anything relevant. JMWt (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hungary

Club of Budapest

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No proof of notability per WP:ORG PtQa (talk) 03:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bluebird International

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Fails WP:NOTPROMO and fails to meet WP:NCORP Amigao (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added some new sources to the article, from 24.hu, index.hu, hvg.hu and others, please check. I am not an experienced at editing wikipedia, please guide how to improve the article so it meets WP:NCORP nad WP:NOTPROMO. Thanks! Nosret Hocane (talk) 16:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks like a WP:PROMO. A search in google news did not yield anything significant. LibStar (talk) 01:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LibStar, what about sources added to the article since its nomination? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Hungarian so hard for me to assess. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Iceland

Others

Ireland

Magazines + TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beth Doherty

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Does not meet WP:GNG; only seems to have passing, three-sentence at most mentions in occasional articles. Cannot find any WP:SIGCOV at all. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 17:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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39 Minutes

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Nominated per Album notability and WP:NALBUMS. kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 16:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure why this page has been marked for deletion - it certainly needs expanding which I will do when possible, but Microdisney is one of the most highly regarded bands of the 1980s, and the subject of more than one documentary, and this is their final release on a major label. I have added the stub tag. Verlaine76 (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete:~~ An album of a highly regarded band is not a sign of notability. rather expand enough at sandbox or draftspace, then create.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 04:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a whole BBC documentary that discusses this album amongst others. The album is definitely notable. Verlaine76 (talk) 16:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KEmel49 kindly unbold your delete !vote; you are the nominator and, unless otherwise stated, nominators of pages for deletion are considered ”!voting” delete and, as you know, double !votes are not permitted. Thank you. Mushy Yank (talk) 13:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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You have just under a week to improve the article then. With the sources you say are out there, it shouldn't be difficult. As is, a redirect is likely. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We now have 11 sources, including the BBC, the British music press of the time (Melody Maker, Hot Press), and academic published work. Is that enough? Verlaine76 (talk) 14:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep given recent expansion and establishment of notability via high quality sources. Ceoil (talk) 15:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The critical reception sources are enough for me to think this passes WP:NALBUMS now. Ss112 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per recent expansion + refs - Alison ^talk 18:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WP:HEY applies; the album meets the general and specific requirements for notability. (Note to nominator: A better BEFORE should have been performed given the notability of the band. Thank you.) Mushy Yank (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep According to WP:Notability (music)#Recordings a recording is notable if:

The recording has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it. (The album was the subject of reviews in the music press of the time and has also been discussed in subsequent magazines and papers of record as referenced here)
The recording has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network. (the album was discussed in the documentary The Story of Microdisney: The Clock Comes Down the Stairs, broadcast nationally on BBC television, as well as the radio Documentary "Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove" which was broadcast nationally by Newstalk FM in Ireland.) Verlaine76 (talk) 23:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Breathnach-Banwait

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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [28], and some analysis here [29] and here [30]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This also seems to be a RS [31], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oaktree b I ran into that one as well but it turns out that she is part of the "Editorial collective" so it may not be considered independent. Then again, I can't imagine that there are many Gaelic speakers in Australia who aren't part of that collective. This is a tough one due to the minority language. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The RTE and Irish Times are reliable sources. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a third good source for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. At one point I attempted to create a page for an author whose book An Edge of the Forest won a few significant awards in the 1960s. The page was rejected on the basis that although there was notable coverage of the book, any coverage of the author was incidental and thus failed WP:AUTHOR. In this case, applying the same rationale, I can not see that the author meets WP:AUTHOR. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per User:Colin Ryan with hopes that they can locate some independent sources, perhaps through the Irish press. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland–Mali relations

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The article is based on entirely primary sources. Fails GNG. Curiously the article says sources retrieved in Sept 2024 and March 2022 when the article was just created. This source is not indepth and this one is a small 1 line mention of Mali. LibStar (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails GNG, the only GNG-qualifying sources I could find online had to do with Ireland's peacekeeping mission in Mali. Noah ^💬 02:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There do not appear to be sources (independent, secondary, non-trivial) that would establish notability. Yilloslime (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As an ATD, possible redirect to European Union Training Mission in Mali, which included deployment of the Irish Army. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can support that redirect; not opposed to keep, though, given existing coverage on the news about this. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The relations are more broad than the European Union Training Mission in Mali, so oppose redirect. LibStar (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Keep, then. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which third party coverage meets GNG for this subject? LibStar (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Irish Regiment 'on standby' for Mali mission BBC (4 February 2013), What are Ireland's Army Ranger Wing doing in Mali? RTE (25 February 2020), Ireland will continue on controversial Mali mission but with reduced troop commitment (Irish Times 22 November 2022), Wagner Group disinformation endangering Irish troops in Mali, researchers warn (Irish Times 12 July 2023). Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Further sourcing from last decade: "Questions to answer over Irish army involvement in Mali (Gript) 25 April 2022; Is Ireland Neutral in Mali? (The Phoenix) 10 February 2022; A Critique on Sending Irish Defence Forces to Mali (PANA) 14 January 2019; Irish troops to aid Mali regime despite ‘atrocity’ reports on all sides 14 February 2013. FWIW I realise Gript and Anphoblact are characterised as generally unreliable, however, I've cited them more to highlight the fact that the Irish mission in Mali has generated national political debate (which the PANA and Phoenix sources highlight as well). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goldsztajn, you've tracked down all of these sources but you haven't stated what outcome you are supporting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Liz - thanks for the ping. I'd originally suggested redirecting to European Union Training Mission in Mali. I'm still open to that - but I was actually hoping to hear back from @LibStar who'd made the nomination and asked questions about sourcing, but not responded to what has been presented so far. Also, looking back at their comment: "relations are more broad than the European Union Training Mission in Mali, so oppose redirect." - which is not clear to me; if the sources at this point show that relations are essentially only related to the deployment, how can it be "more"? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those bilateral relations articles that have been redirected are linked to Foreign relations of X article. So redirecting to EU Training Mission article seems to be an exception rather than the norm. LibStar (talk) 05:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And do you have an opinion on the sourcing I've cited? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources should be added to European Union Training Mission in Mali. LibStar (talk) 08:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to European Union Training Mission in Mali: is a very reasonable ATD per Goldsztajn. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland/Article_alerts#RfD

Italy

Andrea Micheletti (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Davide Lombardi

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A draft that was moved into mainspace. It's mostly sourced with press releases. A WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV (barely). There definitely needs to be some serious pruning of bad promotional sources and writing, reformatting of the article, editing for encyclopedic tone, etc. However, there are four articles among the references which are independent significant coverage about Davide Lombardi; three of which are in the LightSoundJournal, which is a professional publication for light and audio engineers, and one of which is from an Italian media source. He works as a sound engineer for notable artists, so I am leaning on the keep side.4meter4 (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 That's a valid point; however, a reminder to anyone else reading this that Lombardi doesn't inherit notability from the people he works with. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete They are all interviews - and in trade media, at that. The other sources are blogs or references to events where the subject has worked. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ORBIS Production

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Promotional article with multiple iterations of press releases as sources. No evidence of notability. JTtheOG (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is one of the best combined PR, advertising and marketing campaign here. This looks like Wikipedia is their company website. All sources cited are completely unreliable and there is no need to list and Analyse them one after the other. The sources are distributed paid for articles. Mekomo (talk) 11:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mekomo, sorry for the trouble! Since I've been contributing to Wikipedia for a few months now (I initially started out of curiosity without being registered) and this is one of my first pages (see, for example, the one on Mario Orfeo), could you explain better why these sources are not acceptable? I understand that some sites are business directories, but others are from independent outlets, and they don't seem to be paid articles to me. Jerabotto (talk) 08:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JTtheOG and thanks for the feedback. I'm new to Wikipedia, and of course, before trying to create a page, I spent some time exploring the portal. While editing pages like Martha Production, Indiana Production e The Gunther Corporation I tried to follow the same style to make as few mistakes as possible. Could you help me understand in broad terms the differences between those pages and the one I proposed? Jerabotto (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jerabotto: Hello there. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. The only sources with significant coverage of the company are press releases. This one is even published directly onto PRnewswire.com, while exact copies are blasted onto topvideoproduction.com and Yahoo Finance. The IndieWrap article is clearly not independent either, as it uses the same kind of promotional language and ends with a link to the company's social media. Everything else are passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response, I think I understand now. If I were able to find third-party and more reliable sources, could that change anything, or is the decision taken at this point? Jerabotto (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Independent reliable sources which cover the subject directly and in-depth, yes. See WP:GNG for more detail on this. And no, no decision has been made. This discussion will be open for a week but could be extended beyond that. JTtheOG (talk) 08:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, I've already made some corrections after your suggests. In the next days I will try to add new references if I can! Jerabotto (talk) 11:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Only mentions of the company name in short articles about projects. Nothing substantial that I can find. As this article has few edits beyond those of the creator it may be suitable for a move to draft, and perhaps to be taken through WP:AFC. Lamona (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lamona, thanks for the suggestion. I’m continuing to add more sources and refine the text as much as possible. A question: is the move to a draft requested by the admins, or should I proceed with it myself? Jerabotto (talk) 08:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should allow this AfD to complete first. Then the info here might help you WP:Drafts#Moving_articles_to_draftspace. (I've never done a move to draft, but if you need help, the WP:Teahouse is the go-to place.) Lamona (talk) 21:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critical itinerary of Gasparo Cairano

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This is a very poor translation of it:Itinerario_critico_di_Gasparo_Cairano. It appears to be a historiography of the titular architect, and how his standing has changed over the years. That type of information can be worthy of a standalone article sometimes (see Reception of Johann Sebastian Bach's music), but only if high-quality secondary sources can be found. Unfortunately, this article is in large part original research from primary sources. For example, the only citation for the statement that There is no mention of Gasparo Cairano in Elia Capriolo's chronicle is the centuries old text itself; no indication is given about why this omission matters at all. The only properly used secondary source comes from one "Vito Zani", where multiple should be cited to preserve independence of content. Zani is also covered heavily in the § Studies and debates of the 21st century section, which makes me wonder if a conflict of interest exists. Mach61 19:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft: so the translation can be sorted out? It appears that there's a story here to be told, the article is too long to be hokum. Oaktree b (talk) 22:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Woulda done that, but the article was actually just approved from AfC Mach61 22:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was the AfC reviewer. While reviewing, I didn't fully comprehend the translation errors. That being said, I don't think WP:DRAFTIFY would prevent it from being moved back to draftspace for translation correction, unless there would be any objections.
Interestingly, the AfC review process says nothing about when an article is a poor translation, or the prose quality in general. Signed, Guessitsavis (she/they) ^Talk 02:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on TNT grounds. Functionally incomprehensible confirmed machine-translated version of the Italian Wikipedia article. SportingFlyer T·C 04:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Manoru007 an I can review the translation and improve it. We work at OKA and we use translation softwares. After translating, we review and proofread the article (all according to our community validated guidelines), so the final text meets wikipedia's criteria. Sometimes we let some things pass and some parts don't reach a native level of English, since we are not native speakers. Usually we expect AfC and internal revisions to point out flaws and improvement gaps. If there are specific topics and problems in the translation that we can improve, let us know. Regarding references, we can improve, but we are not able to find references for the whole text, since it's a big article and we are not the original author.

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Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change

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Fails WP:NCORP. No in-depth significant coverage of the organization. C F A 💬 20:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I am the head communication office at the Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change (CMCC). The Center is an international research center that collaborates in many international projects and initiatives, such as

-- the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that have selected us as the Focal point for Italy

-- the European Environment Agency for which we coordinate the European Topic Centre on Climate Change Aaptation and LULUCF (ETC CA)

-- we provide climate predictions and forecasts for Copernicus Climate Services and for Copernicus Marine Service

-- we have research collaborations with leading research centers around the world, the latest one is with Princeton University High Meadows Environmental Institute

We will add this information, other international relevant activities, and related sources to the page. I hope this is enough to maintain the article on Wikipedia. Buonocoremauro (talk) 10:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Buonocoremauro. Thanks for that info. Please take a look at the message to you and User:Manusantagata79 I am about to leave on the talk page of the article about some guidelines English Wikipedia has about Wikipedia:Conflict of interest which might seem strange to academics or might be different on Italian Wikipedia. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Although I would not be able to cite all the content I have added a couple of cites and should be able to find more if needed to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 07:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources you added help with WP:NCORP notability. C F A 💬 15:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK I have now added ^[1]

I don’t speak Italian but hopefully someone from the Italy project can take a look Chidgk1 (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me, but that's one source. We'll need more than one to show notability. C F A 💬 16:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I’m seeing a large number of climate science books and journal articles citing data/research generated by the CMCC internationally in examining EBSCOE, JSTOR, google books etc. There a lot of passing mentions of the organization in that kind of literature. While technically not enough to meet WP:NCORP this is a case where I think the topic is encyclopedic based on its broad scholarly impact along the reasoning at WP:NACADEMIC. Lastly, it’s possible there are foreign language sources not easily found in searching in English as this organization does research globally. I grant you that this is not the strongest argument, but international scope is covered in our WP:SNG at WP:NONPROFIT. I'm not really seeing any benefit in deleting an article on a government funded/founded climate research organization attached to multiple Italian universities.4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NONPROFIT says Organizations are usually notable if ... The scope of their activities is national or international in scale. and The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization., but if this is an IAR keep I'm not going to debate it. C F A 💬 00:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latvia

Lauris Bērziņš

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Delete – I really struggled to find any references at all. The single external link in the article does not work, either on the original site or archive.org, and other WP:BEFORE searches turned up nothing to demonstrate that the subject meets WP:SPORTCRIT. In particular, I couldn’t find anything to satisfy Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Finally, taking the results stated in the article as they stand: even if they were substantiated, notability would, I suggest, be a reach. It is possible that there are more extensive and significant sources in Latvian to establish notability, in which case I would be happy to retract my delete recommendation. SunloungerFrog (talk) 23:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 03:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others

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Montenegro

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Netherlands

Lords and margraves of Bergen op Zoom

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Uncited article on an unnotable office. -Samoht27 (talk) 00:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Bergen op Zoom#History (provided it is properly sourced). That article mentions the margravate. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge indeed. Title abolished in 1795 is a fascinating footnote and barely more. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the article is too large to merge into the Bergen op Zoom history section, the result would be too unbalanced. I have provided three references. Bergen op Zoom is very proud of its history as margraviate. The palace of the margraves is a wonderful museum. The article on the list of Lords and Margraves is very interesting and useful.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Given there is a museum dedicated to the margraves at Bergen op Zoom, it is a historically notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I presume there was no effort made to establish the nature of the 'musuem dedicated to the margraves at Bergen op Zoom'. It is the Markiezenhof, the oldest city palace in the Netherlands and it is not 'dedicated to the margraves'. And its existence and purpose doesn't make the list of lords and margraves of that place any more notable, properly referenced, germane or necessary. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Malaysia, The Hague

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Based on primary sources. A google news search only yields the primary source of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Malaysia. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Opperhoofden of Delagoa Bay

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This article is a unreadable mess discussing a list of holders of an unnotable office. -Samoht27 (talk) 04:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - a case of WP:TNT if there ever was one. Bearian (talk) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luc Peters

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 05:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment unlike the many other darts players that came here because of mass-rejected prods, this person actually has news articles about him and not just a place in stats databases like the others. [32] [33]. I'll comment back with a !vote once I finish my WP:BEFORE. Molecular Pilot 06:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's just routine reporting of him getting a tour card. 20-30 players do this annually. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. A search in google news found 2 relevant sources but they are from darts related media. LibStar (talk) 00:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Macedonia

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Norway

Magnus Stava Stensnes

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Subject is not notable as a chess player. No chess titles, no tournament wins, rank 1479 in Norway and 198485 in the world. Quale (talk) 23:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I found passing mentions of him in Norwegian press, but nothing that rises to the level of significant coverage. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable as a chess player. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, hobby player, WP:TOOSOON at best. Geschichte (talk) 10:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kai Paulsen

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Fails WP:NBIO. Created in 2006 and has never had a single source. Geschichte (talk) 09:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete tagged for notability since 2012, there are Kai Paulsens out there, but no Norwegian journalist, photographer, and computer collector Kai Paulsens. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this photojournalist per lack of sources since 2012. There are a number of similar names that come in Google search results but not this very subject. Narrowed the search with his photojournalism career but still not good came up for him. He fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Mekomo (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Janicke Askevold

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I don't think she meets WP:NACTOR, no evidence of significant roles. Directing non notable films doesn't really add to WP:DIRECTOR. And only 1 hit in google news, which is unusual for someone with a career in Europe. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I would say she meets WP:NACTOR with her roles in My Way and China Salesman, two notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you confirm she had significant roles in those 2 films? LibStar (talk) 00:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can. "premier rôle important" says one of the sources cited about her role in My Way (Sofia Kiukkonen) (you can also watch the film); and as for China Salesman, I haven't seen it but all sources mention her as "starring" in the film (https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f344d444f31457a6333566d54/index.html for example, or https://variety.com/2018/film/news/mike-tyson-steven-seagal-china-salesman-bought-1202663343/ or just look at the poster (https://www.thefilmcatalogue.com/films/china-salesman, she's not smaller than Steven Seagal :D) Mushy Yank (talk) 23:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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My database access has borked so I can't evaluate these properly, but there are lots of Norwegian newspapers that mention her here. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poland

Jarosław Bako

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I am not sure about the notability of this person despite being one of the Polish football goalkeepers with the most clean-sheets in Poland national football team. This is no longer considered free pass and Bako must meet WP:GNG only to have an article. I have checked corresponding articles on other languages, especially the Polish one, but none of them provide any significant coverage of him. I was told that the Polish Wikipedia is still inclusionist when it comes to sportspeople, but not sure about football players even if they have not participated in major tournaments. Regarding secondary sources, all I found were interviews as well as news of manager appointment. Onet might be the exception I found, but after translation, it was Bako saying about himself; GNG requires news coverage of someone else talking about the subject instead.

I wonder how long this article survived in mainspace without significant, major updates for 17 years, seeing that none of the previous revisions had any sufficient source either. Although it is quite possible that offline sources exist, given the generation of this former footballer, we can't assume that to be the case. If we can't find any decent source at all, a redirect to Poland national football team#Most clean sheets would be alternative to deletion.

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Speedy keep Not a great nomination. Jarosław Bako made a whopping 35 appearances for the Poland national team and spent time abroad in the first tiers of Israel and Turkey including a two-year spell at one of the major Turkish clubs, Beşiktaş. This vita itself indicates notability. I didn't dig through newspaper archives or search for offline sources which are sure to exist for a player who mostly played in the 1980s and 1999s but I found online articles at laczynaspilka and wmzpn.pl. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Agree this is a really poor nomination. Subject is clearly notable. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tehace

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Tagged for notability for 12 years. Fails WP:NBAND. I could not find any reviews of their work in reliable sources (I searched for the band and album names, first in conjunction with review then with recenzja.) Geschichte (talk) 09:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The most likely looking coverage here, the Winter Crusade Tour 2002 review from rockmetal.pl notes the band was brought on as a last minute substitution and that's pretty much all there is there. Everything else is passing mention or promo. Out there in the big bad world there's blogs, Facebooks, Bandcamp. So, yes, fails GNG, BAND. They do make some very interesting noises, I have to note... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franciszek Błażyca

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Being a victim of the Katyn massacre is not enough for a standalone article. Wikipedia is WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete since subject distinctly fails WP:GNG. Irrespective of the tragic and historical aspect of the text, Wikipedia is not a directory of the fallen. There were more than 20 thousand dead at Katyn; not everyone is source-supported enough for an independent article. -The Gnome (talk) 13:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wileńska street (Bydgoszcz)

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No reason this street is notable, only coverage is routine sources. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please also see here

Portugal

Magazines + TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaita-de-fole coimbrã

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Completely unsourced article, and I cannot find any good sources on the instrument. All I can find are youtube videos, some facebook posts, a few forum posts, and one website called "folkworld.eu" (link:http://www.folkworld.eu/68/e/wkpf.html). Gaismagorm (talk) 14:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ana Reis

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Not yet notable as a musician, filmmaker or writer. A WP:BEFORE search in English and Portuguese turned up very little coverage in reliable sources, just primary sources, blogs and passing mentions in secondary sources. Some of Reis' family are apparently notable, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. Wikishovel (talk) 15:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am submitting a request to retain the Wikipedia page for Ana Reis, as her work has significant cultural, artistic, and historical relevance that justifies her inclusion in Wikipedia. Ana Reis is a notable artist with unique contributions to the art world. Although there may be limited online information readily available about her, this should not detract from her established importance.

The scarcity of online references does not accurately reflect her accomplishments but rather relates to documented personal circumstances, which may have contributed to her underrepresentation in digital sources. (Redacted) These elements, though private, have affected the availability of Ana’s contributions and thus hindered the broader recognition she rightfully deserves.

Despite these challenges, Ana Reis’s contributions to the art community have resonated deeply with her peers, and her work has been recognized in several exhibitions, publications, and private collections. Her notability is rooted in her artistic achievements and the influence her work has had on contemporary art. I respectfully ask that these factors be taken into account when reviewing her page for retention.

Thank you for considering the broader context surrounding Ana Reis’s significance. Her page serves as a vital source for those interested in learning more about her unique contributions to art and culture. Sanguedereis (talk) 16:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is fine, but we need sourcing in reliable, neutral sources. That's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beside online sources what else is needed? Fellow artists can provide statements and testimonies as well as links to existing works can be provided. Where can these be sent or uploaded to? And is there any deadline for this?

Additionally please be aware person in question is under ongoing and systematic attacks, (Redacted). There are plenty of bona fide artists with scarce sources deemed not too reliable, and it's not positive either for person in question, to request further silencing and invisibility. That is in a way or another enabling and endorsing the abuse against them. Thank you. Sanguedereis (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be accusatory but this text reads to me like it was generated from a large language model. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That text is written manually in own words. Sanguedereis (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A book "awaiting publication" is not notable, this appears to be PROMO. There are hardly any sources to be found about this person when I look. Sourcing in the article isn't helpful either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Totally agree on PROMO. No substance, fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This case concerning Ana Reis's recognition isn’t due to any lack of relevance or a genuine artistic dimension but rather to complex life circumstances that have severely limited her access to fair opportunities and visibility. her background is marked by high-profile abusive influences and substantial evidences are available to prove that. She faced systemic obstacles that have stifled her career in ways that very few people experience. However, being very active from 2000 until 2026, both her network and collaborations show an artist with a substantial history of work,, including mention by utmostly respected musicologist who has noted her contributions. However, these connections haven’t shielded her from isolation and undue obscurity.

Due to aforementioned undue influences, she worked alone, with no fundings or grants, no publicity, no 'promos' whatsoever as someone mentioned above, no producers, no promotion machines. Over the years she struggled immensely to have valid and thorough media coverage for her work that deserves deeper considerations and study in its inner world of imagination and symbolism. Equally, aforementioned undue influence/s have occupied most her life keeping her, much against her will, away from her own professional and creative activities, under severe devaluation and micromanagement. This caused her to over the years lose reliable social networks, professional support, and public exposure. Her work and impact became underrepresented, often leaving her vulnerable to having her career and reputation questioned or undervalued, which cause rightful feeling of demoralization and injustice.

The controversial situations she has been denouncing touch a subject taboo, the cruelty of narcissistic mothers towards their daughters, who often become invisible and unheard under a stifling, toxic parent who wants all the spotlight and the daughter is left 'inexistant'. And that is also why it is so important to recognize her contributions and unique originality of her work, rather than allow further erasure. Evidences of her past collaborations and testimonials from many fellow artists over the years, are being requested and underway, as this may greatly help to an accurate acknowledgment of her creative works. Ana is worthy of a fair chance to be seen for her artistic contributions rather than being made invisible. What some have said in the remote past that 'the press ignored them' is on Wiki too and taken as fact, but that's an affirmation of absolute falsehood and doesn't correspond at all to real facts (Redacted), and it's thoroughly disappointing when a privileged person presents false complaints but does exactly the same they complain about, to who they should never sabotage the light they receive. Thank you. Sanguedereis (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator note Some comments in this discussion have been redacted as breaches of WP:BLP. Please do not post contentious but unsourced material about living persons. -- Euryalus (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. I've nothing to add to the well worded rationale. JFHJr (㊟) 02:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As always, we are guided by what is out there in reliable sources, and this falls far short. Edwardx (talk) 11:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

João Urbano

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Fails WP:BIO, has no notable achievements under WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT, only one primary source which contains basic biographical info. MSportWiki (talk) 01:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Occupation of Lazistan Sanjak

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As some ISBN numbers seem to be invalid I am not sure this is notable enough to be a separate article. No objection to merging into Lazistan Sanjak or elsewhere as an alternative to deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete along with all the other spurious creations by this editor. Unverifiable is about the politest thing you can say about it. Mccapra (talk) 18:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Americanoid

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Delete or possibly merge with Okunev culture. The first paragraph is about a "discounted" theory which probably doesn't deserve its own article. The second also is not deserving of its own article and can be merged if it isn't already in the Okunev article (I only skimmed it). PersusjCP (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Igor Pavlov (programmer)

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 18:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sergey Golovanov

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Lack of notability. I looked for sources in both Russian and English and was unable to find anything about this person specifically, and the page has been tagged as lacking sources for two years. Jaguarnik (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Rather common name that comes up with many individuals, none appear to be a religious figure... Article now is sourced to primary sources. I don't see notability, this appears rather to be a CV. Lack of sourcing and unclear notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP: SOAP. This entire page is about how the Pope refused to promote him to bishop, exarch, or Monsignor. He’s exactly the sort of careerist that Pope Francis preaches against. We’re not here take sides in religious matters. Bearian (talk) 04:30, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Sukharev (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC).--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no major success in the sport, not even played for a top-flight team. Nothing much in the form of significant coverage in English in Google News. Very few pages on Google Search for his Russian name. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red Star Daily

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I was unable to find any significant coverage about this newspaper to establish notability. I couldn't even find any trivial mentions of it in any reliable sources. The only mentions of it that I could find were in Wikipedia mirrors. It's also been unreferenced for over 15 years now. GranCavallo (talk) 15:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, having also previously tried to find anything on this publication, and coming up blank, I'd like to second everything the Nom says. I also think if the editors of the Russian, Erzya and Moksha Wikipedia's haven't managed to pull together an article for the main newspaper in Mordovia, I don't know if we'll be able to. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 10:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I couldn't find sources that show notability. Suonii180 (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Matyukhin

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Poorly sourced article. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails all notability guidelines. Geschichte (talk) 08:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ekaterina Ovcharenko

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Fails notability and significant coverage criteria. Tennis player who has never won a main draw title, never played in a Grand Slam tournament main draw, never been ranked in the top 250 in the world and no significant coverage of her is included in the sparse references. Shrug02 (talk) 12:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! The player She won Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon 42 ITF W75 Tournaments. As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:SIGCOV. SlowPokesB (talk) 16:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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~~Delete~~. Subject clearly fails WP:GNG. Is she saved by WP:NTENNIS? Let's see:

1. She is not a member of the International Tennis Hall of Fame. 2. She has not won even one title in any of the ATP Challenger tournaments. 3. She has not won at least one title in any of the ITF Women's $40,000–$100,000+ tournaments, or any of the WTA 125 tournaments. And 4. She does not hold a tennis record recognized by the International Tennis Federation, ATP, or WTA.

Hence, not Wikinotable. For a compendium of tennis players I look elsewhere because Wikipedia is not a directory of tennis players. -The Gnome (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As has been pointed out earlier, her title at the Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon 42 is of a high enough level to meet NTENNIS. Has anyone here looked for Russian language sources which could meet GNG? Iffy★Chat -- 11:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The previous link to the Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon is dead. (It's actually the 75, but it's not important.) I found a source that shows she has indeed won there, and placed it in the article, so the article qualifies. Changing my suggestion to Keep. -The Gnome (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference you added is just a scorecard. That's not significant coverage. It's like saying every soccer player you can find listed as playing in a professional match is worth having their own page. Shrug02 (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link takes us to a scorecard that testifies that she has won at least one title in any of the ITF Women's $40,000–$100,000+ tournaments, as denoted in WP:NTENNIS. -The Gnome (talk) 13:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While Ovcharenko won 1 W75 doubles tournament, WP:NTENNIS is a part of the global sports notability guideline and its FAQ at Wikipedia:Notability (sports)/FAQ says: "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline" (so what The Gnome said about GNG still initially still stands). WP:GNG requires multiple independent, significant coverage in reliable sources. I don't see that, either in my searches or the article here. Everything that comes up can be categorized either as passing mentions in the scope of something else or just routine match recaps (often getting hits on other people with the same name). Generally, it's very tough to get significant coverage based on just winning low-tier doubles tournaments in a sport that's predominantly popular in singles. As of right now, it's WP:TOOSOON. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the key point. Like so many of these tennis articles there is no SIGNIFICANT coverage so they fail to meet the overarching Wikipedia criteria. Just having a scorecard saying someone called J Bloggs won a tournament that the Tennis Project deem noteworthy but the real world and even the WTA see as minor, does not meet the required standards. Shrug02 (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - failing GNG is far, far more important than passing NTENNIS by the skin of your teeth. Score summaries and database sources might well verify an NTENNIS pass but they have no value in a GNG conversation. Also note that WP:SPORTBASIC #5 clearly states Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Note the word 'must' is used here not 'should' or 'could do with'. Significant coverage is not a mere suggestion or an afterthought but an actual requirement of every sports biography article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radda Novikova

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Russian film director. The importance of a serial (mostly) director is extremely questionable. The Russian Wikipedia article was deleted [34].--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This article should be kept because the director in question has a significant body of work, having directed multiple popular television sitcoms in Russia, a major media market. Furthermore, she has received international recognition, with awards that affirm her notability beyond national boundaries. There are plenty of references from major outlets, including Cosmopolitan and RIA Novosti. The fact that the Russian Wikipedia chose to delete the article does not diminish her achievements, as Wikipedia in different languages may have unique standards or biases—this is the English Wikipedia, which evaluates notability from an international perspective and should base its decision on the director's clear contributions to the industry and documented impact, not on the editorial decisions of other Wikipedias. It is also unfortunate to delete a page about a notable female director, as representation in media coverage is essential to recognizing the contributions of women in film and television, especially in an industry where they are historically underrepresented. Er nesto (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: she does seem to meet the applicable guideline, WP:DIRECTOR with various seasons or the totality of notable TV series. Mushy Yank (talk) 10:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flying Days

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References do not prove the significance of the film. There are no references at all in Russian Wikipedia. There are also no awards or professional reviews.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: WP:NFILM indicates that a film can be considered notable if it is considered a major part in the career of a notable film personality; this is, as one of the sources on the page indicates, one of the most notable roles of Vera Alentova in her acting debut; it is also a noted role in the career of Nikolay Olyalin (again, a source is on the page); it is also, it goes without saying, a work that features significant involvement of its director, Nikolai Litus. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I just don't find coverages or even critical reception that suggest passing of WP:NFILM. An article on the film should be created only if there is enough information on it that it would clutter up the biography page of that person if it was mentioned there. This exactly is the problem with this entry, there's just nothing to write about this film that would require a standalone page, whether it features significant involvement by a notable person or not. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you but, in this case, are you opposed to a redirect and merge to the page about Litus? And don't you thing adding the cast and the plot there would clutter up the biography? If you think that's OK I can support that solution too. But allow me to insist that the film is noted as an important part in the career of the 2 actors mentioned above as well. Also, coverage related to Alentova in Страсть (2009) (Эксмо) and Вера Алентова. Москва слезам не верит.... (2017) (Алгоритм) and a whole entry about the film in Жизнь замечательных времен: шестидесятые. 1966. Том III. (2022) (ЛитРес), p. 487 (2 paragraphs) At least. Mushy Yank (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Mushy Yank I am not opposed to a redirect (targeting Nikolai Litus). But I don't think merging contents from this article with any of the actors would make sense, so I am opposed to that. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (but then I suppose you agree that merging would "clutter up the biography"... which makes the concerned NFILM criterion rather more valid imv.). Mushy Yank (talk) 22:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Given the age of the film, I would expect sources on this work to predominantly be offline. In searching in Russian and Ukranian, I'm getting hits in google books in film reference works, but unfortunately they aren't viewable. It could be there is significant coverage in those materials. I would imagine that Soviet era media would have covered the film, but accessing newspaper archives of the Soviet Union era is difficult. Given that both the director and star of the film are independently notable, I would hesitate to delete an article on the film. I think its likely SIGCOV exists offline.4meter4 (talk) 21:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I see that 4meter4 hasn't gone so far as to record their argument as a keep !vote, but I find it persuasive enough, along with Mushy Yank's comments. If there is some reason why this would be harmful to keep around -- eg, if we don't have any content that meets WP:V -- then I think we could argue for deletion, but seeing none I don't see any strong reason not to keep this stub. -- asilvering (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the compliment Asilvering. I only vote keep at AFDs when I actually have located significant coverage which is why I am abstaining from voting in this discussion at present. Let's just say this in not an article I would have brought to AFD.4meter4 (talk) 17:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roman Miroshnichenko

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Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher or a PR platform. Refbombed spam for non notable individual. Has a massive primary sourced laundry list of so called awards but they are not major awards (or for the most part remotely credible). Last Afd closed no consensus largely on the validity of the Independent Music Awards (IMAs) (now deleted) but they are not a major award and are not even a notable award. None of the many listed charts are GOODCHARTS. Refbombed sources lack independent coverage in reliable sources. Curated by a single SPA who despite being blocked is still updating this PR. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Does the International Songwriting Competition confer notability? The article for the award has a few citations to RS calling it "prestigious", mostly the Irish newspaper article... Not sure about notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lol 'prestigious' is a word that barely exists outside press releases - if you see it in a news item it's a giveaway that the piece is probably churnalism. Things which are genuinely prestigious (Nobel, Emmy etc.) are never described as 'prestigious'. Mccapra (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is an Irish newspaper? Good to know! ascap.com/help/music-business-101/songwriting-competitions DiscursivePraxis (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: winning non-notable awards doesn't help notability here. Other than the 2024 "win", this is still the same quality of biography we saw during the last round at AfD. I've read up a bit more on these "awards", they don't seem terribly important. Nor do most of the charted albums/songs hit on charts that we recognize. Oaktree b (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. An article about Roman Miroshnichenko is included in The Great Jazz Guitarists encyclopedia, edited by Scott Yanow. --Yakudza (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep In duo with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, Roman Miroshnichenko has won the Best Jazz Award of the USA Songwriting Contest: serious world-class achievement mentioned in the top news of All About Jazz - the largest jazz portal in the world. Also, he is a Guinness Records holder, which is more than a notable award. Along with John Williams, Allan Silvestry, and Hans Zimmer, he was the nominee for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards. Not a big deal, too? He has recorded with the London Symphony at Abbey Road studio, just think for a moment. He is also a Recording Academy/Grammy Voting Member, where only outstanding musicians and experts are allowed. He is the winner of the Film Music Contest, the largest competition in media music in Europe. These are just undeniable facts that can make less fortunate colleagues nervous. All facts are in the public domain.

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Weak keep I do agree that the article is very obnoxious and and been refbombed to hell(98 references!?). It could probably use some work to move towards a more neutral view, to read the article would make you think this guy is one of the best musicians in the world. But I do believe he barely passes GNG. Winning the international songwriting competition and the article in The great Jazz guitarists certainly help, although are not too well known. The fact that he has won so many awards speaks to his notability even though most are quite unknown. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 02:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Winning so many awards speaks more to his entering so many contests and to his skills. Ability does not make one notable unless it receives independent coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Keep~~ He has truly made his mark on the music world. Teaming up with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, he recntly won the Best Jazz Award at the USA Songwriting Contest, a big honor that even made headlines on All About Jazz, the world's largest jazz portal. His list of achievements keeps growing: he's a Guinness World Record holder, a Grammy Voting Member, and has even been nomnated for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards alongside John Williams, Alan Silvestri, and Hans Zimmer. He's also recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra at the iconic Abbey Road Studios and took home the top prize in Europe's biggest media music competition - the Film Music Contest. It's safe to say that Miroshnichenko's accomplishments speak for themselves.
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Not only is voting twice not allowed, editors are not allowed to use block evading socks to vote. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am not finding 2-3 independent and substantial sources. First, the IMAs web site is no longer in existence, so we can scratch that as a major award. The Global Music Awards are a Pay-Fer award in which everybody seems to win at least bronze, and it runs 4x a year. The HMMA are also pay-fer, and likely self-nomination. The Jazz Corner is a crowd-sourced fan site. Songwriting Competition is another pay-fer. AllAboutJazz site (cited multiple times but not named in citation) allows artists to pay to advertise or have articles about them, for $$. Basically, this guy enters every inexpensive contest, uses all of the available promotion sites. Bravo! as a self-promoter. Lamona (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grasmmy Awards 92.243.182.120 (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Among the winners and nominees of most of the above awards in article are such world stars as Jason Mraz (USASC), Meghan Trainor (USASC), Al Di Meola (USASC), Ian Anderson (USASC), Gino Vanelli (USASC), Jami Alimorad (USASC), Dave Koz, Paul Wertico, George Benson, Foreigner, Hans Zimmer (HMMA), John Williams (HMMA), Alan Silvestri (HMMA), Carlos Santana (HMMA), Lady Gaga (HMMA). Are they "self-nomintaed" and "pay-fer" too? It is also worth noting that the Grammys also have many self-nominated artists and there is an option to pay for entry from 45 to 150 USD depending on the proximity of the deadline. Most of the above awards are listed on ASCAP's list of the most notable and influential music competitions and awards: ascap.com/help/music-business-101/songwriting-competitions

Not to mention the Guinness World Record, the encyclopedia "Great Jazz Guitarists" published by the largest book distributor Hal Leonard and the many celebrities with whom this truly outstanding world-class guitarist performed. (Just a note that this comment was made by User:92.243.182.120. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)}[reply]

The ASCAP page lists "songwriting competitions" which "...provide networking opportunities and inspiration for your work." It says nothing about them being notable, influential, or important. Lamona (talk) 23:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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’’’Keep This artist has more than enough regalia. An article in the encyclopedia "Great Jazz Guitarists" and a Guinness record holder are enough. Not to mention sharing the podium with celebrities as a nominee and winner of significant international music competitions and awards: HMMA, USASC, ISC.

Confirmed on iMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm12855543/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 92.243.182.120 (talk) 17:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, nothing can be confirmed on IMDB - it is not a reliable source. Second, Guinness appears to have given an award for the most guitarists, of which he was one of over 7,000. I do not have the GBR for 2014, but I seriously doubt if he was singled out for mention. The entry in Great Jazz Guitarists shows up in 2 snippets, while (for comparison) Django Reinhardt has 56 snippets. He shared no podium with celebrities, but even if he had notability is not established by who you stand next to. I will also state that while potentially satisfying for the musician, nominations for awards are not generally considered notable. The "Silver" award for the Global Music Awards for 2022 and 2023 have more than 100 silver winners. It isn't clear if there was anyone who applied for this that did not get an award. I still don't see anything that would meet GNG. Lamona (talk) 20:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Global Music Awards Gold Medal. Just 9 Winners of hundreds: https://www.globalmusicawards.com/honorees/november-2022

2. HMMA Nominee among celebrities: https://www.allaboutjazz.com/news/roman-miroshnichenko-henrik-andersen-and-trilok-gurtu-nominated-in-the-hollywood-music-in-media-awards/

3. The Great Jazz Guitarists Encyclopedia, edited by one of jazz's most influential historians Scott Yannow, is not pulp fiction. Hal Leonard doesn't do that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Yanow

p.s. It is probably necessary to be less superficial and biased. 92.243.182.120 (talk) 21:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - a winner of made up in one day awards for an up and coming but ultimately never make it to prime time musician. Bearian (talk) 03:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Farkaš

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Farkaš played a total of 925 minutes before disappearing in 2013. The only secondary source I found is SME, a transfer announcement. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 16:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jozef Bujňák

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Bujňák played a total of 711 minutes in the Slovak First League before transferring to lower clubs beginning with 2017. Regarding secondary sources, I only found a passing mention on Dnes24. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Needs secondary sources to show WP:SIGCIV. Unable to find any coverage that meets this. Demt1298 (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC) Demt1298 (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miloš Riečičiar

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Appears to have had a 33-day professional football career, playing 6 games in the Slovak top league in July-August 2010. No indication of significant coverage then or since. C 679 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no significant coverage in <15 articles on Google News. Less than 70 search results on Google Search. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mariló Montero

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Non notable journalist and presenter, cannot find any evidence of any notability, Fails NPERSON and GNG –Davey2010^Talk 19:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Spanish Wikipedia article has 47 references. Left guide (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, unless someone can tell us they have evaluated the Spanish article and found that it can't offer enough WP:RS for en.wiki notability. I've added the "Expand from Spanish" tag to prompt hispanophones to help out. PamD 08:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Left guide and @PamD, The sources are pretty terrible imho; They're mostly things like
She appears to be someone whos very outspoken and I would say there's perhaps some notability around this (example and example) and I would there's maybe some notability regarding her constant lapses of judgement (either controversial comments she makes or things she does) but I wouldn't say there's enough to meet either NPERSON or GNG.

Having just read her Spanish article it would seem she is notable for her controversial opinions, So maybe she is notable and I'm just not seeing it –Davey2010^Talk 15:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Valencian Community motorcycle Grand Prix

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Fails WP:GNG. An event being cancelled doesn't reach the level of notability to have an entire article. This could be a note added to another article about the event cancellation. Demt1298 (talk) 17:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - There are several news articles that support the claim of a Valencian GP before it was being cancelled. Otherwise, redirect back to 2024 MotoGP World Championship. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to 2024 Solidarity motorcycle Grand Prix (the event replacing the nominated article) once it's created. MSportWiki (talk) 22:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elio García-Austt

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Fails WP:BIO - no independent, reliable source I could find in my WP:BEFORE talks about him in detail. MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 03:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There are plenty of independent reliable sources in GS, but I doubt of there are enough of them. Is GNG or POLITICIAN passed? Xxanthippe (talk) 05:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
He's a scientist/doctor, so I'm not sure what you are asking about WP:POLITICIAN, did you comment on the wrong AfD by mistake? In case you didn't, what do mean by "GS" - the only things that come up on Google are his own papers, not other people talking about him which is required per WP:BIO (and a lack of the special circumstances outlined at WP:ACADEMIC)? Thank you! MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 07:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I just saw that it's mentioned in the (entirely unsourced) article that he was a member of the Parliament of Uruguay - but I can't find any RS to back this up so I don't think WP:POLITICIAN is met, unless someone else can find an RS to back this (which would meet WP:POLITICIAN. MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 07:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The entire page in wiki is based on this - https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Elio_Garc%C3%ADa-Austt.html Mike, the regular nose job (talk) 06:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Mike! The bottom of that page says "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article "Elio_García-Austt". A list of authors is available in Wikipedia.", so actually that page is just a mirror site for the (completed unsourced) Wikipedia article. MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 07:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Try looking at GS where you will find a little. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Mattin

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, and the external links in the article don't help establish notability (as they're either Mattin's website or interviews). Interestingly, the article was created by User:Mattata, whose only mainspace edits involve creating this article. toweli (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is some coverage in The Wire, albeit paywalled. From the magazine's index, issue 267 (2006) looks to have the most coverage of the subject. More recently, there was a book review a year ago, in issue 476. AllyD (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others

Sweden

MIST (satellite)

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Single cubesat project of which i could find only a single news article and a few blog posts outside of the project itself Firestar587 (talk) 07:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I found a few articles as well: [35], [36], [37], [38]. The DN article is a bit below SIGCOV level of the project but together I think it meets WP:GNG. AlexandraAVX (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with KTH Royal Institute of Technology It's a student cubesat project and not inherently notable. The coverage presented is not getting it over WP:GNG for me in any case. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kanja Odland

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Conatins no independent sourcing, and what I could find was a Dagens Nyheter interview, which is mostly about her school of Buddhism and contains scant info in Odland herself, and participation in a Sveriges Radio show on meditation practices in Sweden. Insufficient in-depth and independent coverage. Draken Bowser (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edited article to include independent sourcing. Article meets criteria for inclusion of a biographical person based on:

- Coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject (Dagens Nyheter, Sveriges Radio).

- Notability based on contribution to the enduring historical record in the field of Zen buddhism. Allllllice (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allllllice is a major contributor to the article.

The article is a bit short, but includes links to articles about Buddhism (eg Philip Kapleau which mentions Odland under the lineage section) and some acceptable references. I'm sure there are other sources that could be included. I recommend that the article is retained. Manbooferie (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- The first Dagens Nyheter article "Separation är världens sjuka" is a personal interview with the subject including direct questions such as "How did you become attracted to Buddhism?" so it is significant coverage rather than name-dropping.

- The second Dagens Nyheter ”Sante Poromaa, zenbuddist:” is an interview with the subject's co-teacher Sante Poromaa which includes relevant coverage of the subject. For example (translated):This means that he (along with his wife [Kanja Odland Roshi]) is now the highest ranking Zen Buddhist teacher in Sweden.

- The Sveriges Radio interview does not stand alone as evidence of notability but should be considered alongside the other sources.

- The book 2600 Years of Sambuddhatva: Global Journey of Awakening is a collection of essays on the history of buddhism published by the Sri Lankan government which addresses the subject in the section on Buddhism in Scandinavia.

It's true that some of the other sources you have listed are self-made or websites of related zen centers but, as I understand it, primary sources can be appropriate for non-controversial facts in an article about a person. See Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources#Primary sources should be used carefully Allllllice (talk) 09:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in your contribution above, Allllllice, produces some kind of clear evidence of notability. I mean, I concur with your assessment of the "sources" more than I disagree! Yes, "self-made", "related zen centers [announcements]", "primary sources" only supporting existence (I do not disagree she has existed!), one "interview [which] does not stand alone as evidence of notability", and so forth. I submit I cannot, much as I try, fathom the persistence of support here. A zen teacher among hundreds of thousands, yes. -The Gnome (talk) 13:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Sweden Yearly Meeting (via WP:PROD on 6 November 2024)

Switzerland

Florat

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As of November 2024, there has been no new media coverage or updates since the previous deletion proposal, and the subject still fails to meet Wikipedia:Notability. Iaof2017 (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the sources already identified in the first AFD discussion. There was unanimous consensus (other than the nominator) that those sources met WP:SIGCOV in the first AFD. WP:Notability is not temporary and the need for more recent sources is not necessary. WP:GNG was already proved to be met in the first AFD, and that holds forever.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkey

Occupation of Lazistan Sanjak

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As some ISBN numbers seem to be invalid I am not sure this is notable enough to be a separate article. No objection to merging into Lazistan Sanjak or elsewhere as an alternative to deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete along with all the other spurious creations by this editor. Unverifiable is about the politest thing you can say about it. Mccapra (talk) 18:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Elmalıca

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Not enough reliable sources (Greek City Times is unreliable) Chidgk1 (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete along with all the other spurious creations by this editor. Unverifiable is about the politest thing you can say about it. Mccapra (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lazistan campaign

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Although the journal exists I cannot find the journal article

https://osmanliarastirmalari.isam.org.tr/dergi/search/index?query=Rebellion+and+Resistance+in+Ottoman+Anatolia&dateFromYear=&dateFromMonth=&dateFromDay=&dateToYear=&dateToMonth=&dateToDay=&authors=

Skudaslazuri - did you use an LLM? If so please could you explain how you used it - for example what was your prompt?

If anything is worth keeping from this article I have no objection to it being moved to Laz rebellion (1832–1834) Chidgk1 (talk) 16:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete along with all the other spurious creations by this editor. Unverifiable is about the politest thing you can say about it. Mccapra (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Trabzon

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Cannot find anything in Google Scholar and hard to tell if the linked source is enough to justify the article Chidgk1 (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anthony Bryer seems to be reputable but I am not an academic so I don’t know whether that sourcing is enough. Bryer was writing in the 1960s but a lot of the stuff which was unpublished in his day should now be available by searching for "Trebizond" at https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Trebizond&_sd=&_ed=&_hb= so has anyone studied and published a more modern work based on the primary sources? Also the Ottoman archives are available as far as I know, so should not they be cited in some more modern secondary source? And why does the article not exist in Turkish Wikipedia? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aha at the end of page 202 Bryer says “the attack on Trebizond never materialised” Chidgk1 (talk) 15:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Trabzon (1834)

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Trabzon is a city so there ought to be more sources for such a relatively recent event Chidgk1 (talk) 13:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete more battlebollox from a user with a record of creating articles full of unverifiable content. Mccapra (talk) 13:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete clearly a hoax. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination rationale. Mekomo (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, It only refers to the Laz Rebellion, no result on Google Scholar -

𓆩♡𓆪𝘚𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘢𓆩♡𓆪 ・︶꒦꒷ 💬・✏️ ꒷꒦︶ 03:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Değirmendere

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No page numbers despite my request. So even if someone has the books cited it would be hard to check.

There is a mention of a place with that name in https://ttk.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/10-Mevlut-Ing.pdf but no mention of a battle Chidgk1 (talk) 13:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find sources in Turkish. The creator has a record of creating battle-related article with unverifiable sourcing which get deleted at AfD. Mccapra (talk) 13:51, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zompa

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Not listed on http://www.malatya.gov.tr/arapgir#:~:text=Ba%C4%9Fl%C4%B1%20Mahalleler%20%3A%20D%C3%BCzce%2C%20Me%C5%9Feli%2C,%2C%20Sinikli%2C%20G%C3%B6z%2C%20Berenge%2C Has it been renamed or did it never exist? Might be hoax. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is no mention of this place anywhere in searches and impossible to verify. This might be a hoax given that it was created by an editor with only 18 edit count since 2007. Mekomo (talk) 14:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I can only find obituaries with this name, nothing about a place with this name. Poor sourcing doesn't help either. Oaktree b (talk) 15:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one songs of 2010 (Turkey)

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Unprodded a couple of months ago as “appropriate content fork of a seemingly notable chart” but has still not been cited. As the article does not exist in Turkish Wikipedia it seems unlikely to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 15:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 1) this is part of a series of articles (in various countries; deleting one page in particular (as has been done after unilateral draftifications of other years) is absurd and borders disruption). 2) OK, I'll source it. But.....the person who DePRoDed this was right imv. Why, just because it is unsourced, take this particular year to deletion? The fact that this does not exist on Turkish WP is not an issue. Also please remember WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". Mushy Yank (talk) 19:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank OK I did not know that NLIST said that about lists. So does that mean the “unsourced” tag should be removed from this article and similar ones such as List of number-one hits of 2006 (Turkey), 2007, 2009? If so what about the other uncited lists on https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Turkey.html#Cites%20no%20sources ?Chidgk1 (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Note that NLIST indicates in the following sentence that, still, presenting sources is more than recommended! In general, the unsourced tag should not be removed until sources are added but the notability of such lists that are part of a set is not an issue, I would say. That list you link is very long and in theory, again, sources should be added but one can only decide whether the page seems notable without sources present on a case by case approach. I'll add sources to the 3 pages you listed but one person cannot source all unsourced pages even if that is only Turkey-related articles. Mushy Yank (talk) 20:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in fact, yes, the Unsourced tag should have been removed because there was a source in the EL of all 4 articles, with a link indicating "previous number ones may be found via archive.org". And the template's doc indicates: "You should only add this template to articles that contain no citations or references of any kind." Which was not the case. ImproveRef or RefExist or any other tag would have been OK. The Unsourced tag, as well as the notability tag, indicate extremely serious issues and should not be used lightly if easy means of verification and available sources exist. Thanks. Mushy Yank (talk) 20:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Trail Blazer (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project last month this one was tagged uncited 15 years ago. I searched but there are others with the same name. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active but hopefully someone from the metal project will know better than me if it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was not able to find material in reliable music magazines, searching for both their band names. I think I could be able to write up one of their later albums, but not this one. I did get hits in Google Books. Geschichte (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Güngören M.Yahya Baş Stadium

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Was tagged 15 years ago as uncited. Although the Turkish article has a few cites I don’t see what makes this small stadium notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to İstanbul Güngörenspor as ATD. Mccapra (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 01:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Anadolu Efes S.K. past rosters

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Article was tagged uncited 4 years ago and does not exist in Turkish. As the main article includes info such as notable players perhaps this uncited article does not have any notable info which is not already in the main article. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I could see a list of players, if sourced, but rosters of each individual year is not a thing I think we do. Some have been up for AFD previously. Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. past rosters was kept in 2008, whereas C.D. Primeiro de Agosto past squads was deleted in 2015. I think that's telling of how the demands in deletion discussions have evolved. Geschichte (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Acıbadem Üniversitesi S.K.

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Although there are 9 sources on the Turkish article some are trivial and others no longer exist. So I doubt this team is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Bahçeşehir Koleji S.K.. Per this source: Team names: Acibadem Universitesi Istanbul (-2016), Bahcesehir (2017-). Geschichte (talk) 16:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kayraktepe Dam

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Seems to be doubt about whether this will actually be built https://www.silifkegazetesi.net/2024/10/03/devletin-bosa-giden-milyonlari-ve-yatirimlari-ne-olacak/

At the moment I don’t think it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aksu Dam

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I cannot find enough recent sources to show it notable. There are other rivers with the same name. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kurdish mafia

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The article sources don't verify that a "Kurdish mafia" exists. Yes, across history some Kurds have been involved in organized crime but the article wrongly suggests that there is a connection between these criminal groups that does not exist in the cited sources (or others I can find). (t · c) buidhe 17:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep the term is readily found even in the US govt. reports. Today the term "mafia" has become generalized to denote any larger-scale organized crime, nit necessarily tightly knit. --Altenmann >talk 17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because there is a term in use, does not mean there is an encyclopedic topic. What this article does is gather together crimes whose only commonality is (not sources that connect them—most of the sources don't mention "Kurdish mafia" at all, and would need to be removed in any case per wp:nor), but the fact of being committed by people of the same ethnic group. If this were permissible encyclopedically, we would be like Breitbart and have an article on "black crime" where various offenses committed by African Americans are listed. Instead, this term redirects appropriately to Race and crime in the United States, which is an encyclopedic topic. (t · c) buidhe 02:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe So comparing with the beginning of Turkish mafia, do you think that if Kurdistan existed as a country this topic would be encyclopedic? Chidgk1 (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "Organized crime in Turkey" is probably a better subject for the article. (t · c) buidhe 22:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: an easy Google search reveals that dozens of sources mention the Kurdish mafia. Perhaps the presence of some books (cites) in the relevant article may not be correct, but in the end, there are many quotations that directly and/or indirectly address this issue. I am in favour of keeping the article, provided that content unrelated to the 'Kurdish mafia' is removed. Acratopotes (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I feel like someone wrote this just to say that Kemalists and the Iranian Pahlavi regime civilized the "criminal Kurds." The article is quite disrespectful to the diversity of Kurdish history, which included both nomadic and settled lifestyles. Even if many sources mention the Kurdish mafia, that alone should not justify keeping this article. We should remove bad articles, and this one, from beginning to end, is poorly written. Even when I reviewed some of the sources, it's clear that there is cherry-picking in them.

185.187.78.251 (talk) 15:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I emphasise this statement again:

I am in favour of keeping the article, provided that content unrelated to the 'Kurdish mafia' is removed.

Acratopotes (talk) 19:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A legitimate subject, just as most other pages in Category:Organized crime by ethnicity. It is sourced, and a lot more can be retrieved by Google searches (see above). Not a disrespect to any culture. My very best wishes (talk) 18:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. If there are problems with the content, this should not lead to deleting the article, because this article doesn't violate Wikipedia's notability policies. A better method is to intervene in the content and add or remove content. I've argued for this above and there are users who agree with this. With my regards, Acratopotes (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ersel Göral

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BLP of a successful businessman who has had a career in airport management. Nothing here indicates notability. A draft also exists. Mccapra (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There seems to be some coverage in the Turkish media, sufficiently spread out in time, and can be considered above the WP:SIGCOV threshold: [39], [40], [41], [42], [43] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Contra TheJoyfulTentmaker, these sources are routine coverage (often press release-based) of hiring or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of significant coverage of an airport where he works. I don't see any evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non notable business executive. All four references in the article are from primary sources. Google search returned nothing of significance for their notability. This no doubt fails WP:GNG and WP: ANYBIO regardless of their career success. Mekomo (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Şifa University

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I can see from the sources on the Turkish article that it existed. Are universities automatically notable? I guess not as it has been tagged as possibly not notable for years. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - not automatically notable, but any public university is likely to be notable. This one, however, appears to be new, small and private. See [44]. As such, I would have thought it should pass WP:NORG to be notable. I have added it to the companies delsort. At this stage I have no view on whether it is notable or not. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: I found some sources (which appear to be secondary) see 1, 2 and 3. The article needs some improvement in general, but I don't think it should be deleted. SirBrahms (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is 12 years old and has had no active editing. Draftify looks like backdoor deletion in this case. But the sources you have found are interesting. The first is a primary source: a Ph.D. thesis. Despite being a primary source, it could contain secondary information about the university, and provide something to write an article from, so I would not rule it out just for being apparently primary. The second source is a listing. That is not SIGCOV, definitely not at CORPDEPTH, and independence is questionable. The third source is the most important though. That tells us that the university was seized and closed down in 2016 following a failed military coup (it was an asset of those involved). The source is primary in that it is a news report, but presents a bit of a quandary. It shows that, on the one hand, the university no longer exists and only existed for six years. Based on that, it is unlikely this ever reached notability. On the other hand, the very event that caused it to close would appear to make something notable. I am leaning towards merge to somewhere, if there is a suitable target regarding the coup. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments! It may be viable to merge it into Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt (especially considering it hasn't had any active editing in so long (a thing I regrettably forgot to check)). Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd move to merge if it made sense. How would that look though? There were 15 universities closed in the purge, and none are currently named. Should they be listed? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say yes. I'm imagining something like this:
University one, Place, Exact reason for closure (if applicable)

etc.

What do you think? Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we have the exact reason for each, sure. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Further to my above comment, according to this page Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt, this was one of 15 universities shut down in the purges following the coup. It seems undue to add this one to that page. Yet if it is not even notable for a mention there, it is not notable for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a reason to delete - the other universities and the Military Academy and Naval Academy are not mentioned there but are in List of educational institutions closed in the 2016 Turkish purges. If the only coverage was when it was closed down, it can be redirected to the list. Peter James (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uşşaki

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Tagged uncited for years but hard to find sources as apparently not the same as https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C5%9F%C5%9Faki_Tarikat%C4%B1 The source on the Turkish article seems like it might be a wiki or somesuch so perhaps not reliable? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I see various books in English covering this significantly; also two reliable references on the corresponding article in French. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank What books in English please? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some to the page.

By the way, you have currently opened 27 Afds regarding Turkey-related articles. It is an extremely (and in my view exceedingly) high number for one nominator, especially concerning one topic, and it happens to be very challenging for interested users to find sources and even !vote. I understand you take to Afds pages that are unsourced but, precisely, it takes a lot of time to find sources. At the very least, I am inviting you to kindly slow down your nominations; personally, I would even suggest that you stop further nominations until the present ones are closed. Thank you very much. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep plenty of Turkish sources found but as Mushy Yank says above it’s quite a task to plough through Turkish books online to update the article. Mccapra (talk) 16:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums

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1) As far as I can tell, we don't have any other article that is about "List of paintings of x origin being held in museums in y country". This feels like WP:ARBITRARYCAT, and it's really not notable that Western European paintings specifically are held in Ukraine when Western European paintings are held in museums around the world and when Ukrainian museums have collections of paintings from around the world.

2) Most of the history discussed in the article is not about Western European art in Ukraine specifically, but about the history of artworks in Ukraine in general (several mentions of art museums with Oriental art). This is an interesting topic, but it doesn't justify the existence of an article dedicated specifically to Western European art in Ukraine.

3) The article has been marked as completely lacking sources for 15 years, probably because there is a lack of sources dedicated to the topic of "which Western European paintings are held in Ukraine" (only one I could find was a book published in 1981, but the information in that list is almost certainly out of date after 40 years).

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Delete: I tend to agree with the nom, this isn't really helpful when Western European art is held around the world. I really don't see notability for most of the museums, they aren't that well-known. We're not listing paintings in the Louvre or the MoMA, that are world-famous. Oaktree b (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the list part of this article is unhelpful. National museums house stuff from across the entire globe, it's what they do, and which museums house what isn't really encyclopedia material. Where there's a particular documented controversy about a country's culture being housed in another country's museums (Elgin marbles is an extreme individual case) then we can have an article, but I don't think there's any special controversy about the fact there are Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums. So I agree to this extent: the list could be deleted. But the introductory material to the list, about the history of museums, galleries, and art-works is actually quite encyclopedic and interesting. Could the article be trimmed of its "list" material and status, and moved to a more appropriate title? Elemimele (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:CROSSCAT. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Babyak

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His professional career lasted only 50 mins and I can't find any suggestion of meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. The best source that I can find is Bibrka Gov, a local source that mentions him a few times in a match report. Match reports aren't generally seen as significant coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Match reports aren't generally seen as significant coverage. As long as the news article focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in signficant detail, that might be fine in my opinion. I can say such an example is this one. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would this work? [45] Ceriy (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess so, but only one source is not sufficient. It also looks like a blogspot to me... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although the article is written in prose, most of the content is just regurgitating basic stats about the player (e.g. date of debut, number of appearances) so I would say it's fairly light coverage. As Clara says above, this is only one source and multiple sources are usually preferred. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a routine transactional announcement and so fails GNG, and furthermore is straight from the governing football federation so is not independent. JoelleJay (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Zero sources of IRS SIGCOV identified. JoelleJay (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavlo Shostka

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This article may look well sourced at first glance but, in actual fact, it's just a WP:REFBOMB of database sources, none of which confer any notability per WP:SPORTBASIC. His 8 matches in the third tier of Ukraine might provide a very weak presumption of notability but, ultimately, Shostka needs to have significant coverage from independent sources to have an article. Looking at Ukrainian Wikipedia and online, the best that I can find are Desna 1 and Desna 2, both of which are published by his then-employer so are neither independent nor reliable (see WP:RS and WP:IS). Please delete unless independent and significant coverage can be found for Shostka. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. No significant success in the sport, less than 10 professional matches at present. Less than 50 Google Search results. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Miroshnichenko

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Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher or a PR platform. Refbombed spam for non notable individual. Has a massive primary sourced laundry list of so called awards but they are not major awards (or for the most part remotely credible). Last Afd closed no consensus largely on the validity of the Independent Music Awards (IMAs) (now deleted) but they are not a major award and are not even a notable award. None of the many listed charts are GOODCHARTS. Refbombed sources lack independent coverage in reliable sources. Curated by a single SPA who despite being blocked is still updating this PR. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Does the International Songwriting Competition confer notability? The article for the award has a few citations to RS calling it "prestigious", mostly the Irish newspaper article... Not sure about notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lol 'prestigious' is a word that barely exists outside press releases - if you see it in a news item it's a giveaway that the piece is probably churnalism. Things which are genuinely prestigious (Nobel, Emmy etc.) are never described as 'prestigious'. Mccapra (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is an Irish newspaper? Good to know! ascap.com/help/music-business-101/songwriting-competitions DiscursivePraxis (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: winning non-notable awards doesn't help notability here. Other than the 2024 "win", this is still the same quality of biography we saw during the last round at AfD. I've read up a bit more on these "awards", they don't seem terribly important. Nor do most of the charted albums/songs hit on charts that we recognize. Oaktree b (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. An article about Roman Miroshnichenko is included in The Great Jazz Guitarists encyclopedia, edited by Scott Yanow. --Yakudza (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep In duo with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, Roman Miroshnichenko has won the Best Jazz Award of the USA Songwriting Contest: serious world-class achievement mentioned in the top news of All About Jazz - the largest jazz portal in the world. Also, he is a Guinness Records holder, which is more than a notable award. Along with John Williams, Allan Silvestry, and Hans Zimmer, he was the nominee for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards. Not a big deal, too? He has recorded with the London Symphony at Abbey Road studio, just think for a moment. He is also a Recording Academy/Grammy Voting Member, where only outstanding musicians and experts are allowed. He is the winner of the Film Music Contest, the largest competition in media music in Europe. These are just undeniable facts that can make less fortunate colleagues nervous. All facts are in the public domain.

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Weak keep I do agree that the article is very obnoxious and and been refbombed to hell(98 references!?). It could probably use some work to move towards a more neutral view, to read the article would make you think this guy is one of the best musicians in the world. But I do believe he barely passes GNG. Winning the international songwriting competition and the article in The great Jazz guitarists certainly help, although are not too well known. The fact that he has won so many awards speaks to his notability even though most are quite unknown. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 02:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Winning so many awards speaks more to his entering so many contests and to his skills. Ability does not make one notable unless it receives independent coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Keep~~ He has truly made his mark on the music world. Teaming up with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, he recntly won the Best Jazz Award at the USA Songwriting Contest, a big honor that even made headlines on All About Jazz, the world's largest jazz portal. His list of achievements keeps growing: he's a Guinness World Record holder, a Grammy Voting Member, and has even been nomnated for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards alongside John Williams, Alan Silvestri, and Hans Zimmer. He's also recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra at the iconic Abbey Road Studios and took home the top prize in Europe's biggest media music competition - the Film Music Contest. It's safe to say that Miroshnichenko's accomplishments speak for themselves.
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Not only is voting twice not allowed, editors are not allowed to use block evading socks to vote. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am not finding 2-3 independent and substantial sources. First, the IMAs web site is no longer in existence, so we can scratch that as a major award. The Global Music Awards are a Pay-Fer award in which everybody seems to win at least bronze, and it runs 4x a year. The HMMA are also pay-fer, and likely self-nomination. The Jazz Corner is a crowd-sourced fan site. Songwriting Competition is another pay-fer. AllAboutJazz site (cited multiple times but not named in citation) allows artists to pay to advertise or have articles about them, for $$. Basically, this guy enters every inexpensive contest, uses all of the available promotion sites. Bravo! as a self-promoter. Lamona (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grasmmy Awards 92.243.182.120 (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Among the winners and nominees of most of the above awards in article are such world stars as Jason Mraz (USASC), Meghan Trainor (USASC), Al Di Meola (USASC), Ian Anderson (USASC), Gino Vanelli (USASC), Jami Alimorad (USASC), Dave Koz, Paul Wertico, George Benson, Foreigner, Hans Zimmer (HMMA), John Williams (HMMA), Alan Silvestri (HMMA), Carlos Santana (HMMA), Lady Gaga (HMMA). Are they "self-nomintaed" and "pay-fer" too? It is also worth noting that the Grammys also have many self-nominated artists and there is an option to pay for entry from 45 to 150 USD depending on the proximity of the deadline. Most of the above awards are listed on ASCAP's list of the most notable and influential music competitions and awards: ascap.com/help/music-business-101/songwriting-competitions

Not to mention the Guinness World Record, the encyclopedia "Great Jazz Guitarists" published by the largest book distributor Hal Leonard and the many celebrities with whom this truly outstanding world-class guitarist performed. (Just a note that this comment was made by User:92.243.182.120. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)}[reply]

The ASCAP page lists "songwriting competitions" which "...provide networking opportunities and inspiration for your work." It says nothing about them being notable, influential, or important. Lamona (talk) 23:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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’’’Keep This artist has more than enough regalia. An article in the encyclopedia "Great Jazz Guitarists" and a Guinness record holder are enough. Not to mention sharing the podium with celebrities as a nominee and winner of significant international music competitions and awards: HMMA, USASC, ISC.

Confirmed on iMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm12855543/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 92.243.182.120 (talk) 17:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, nothing can be confirmed on IMDB - it is not a reliable source. Second, Guinness appears to have given an award for the most guitarists, of which he was one of over 7,000. I do not have the GBR for 2014, but I seriously doubt if he was singled out for mention. The entry in Great Jazz Guitarists shows up in 2 snippets, while (for comparison) Django Reinhardt has 56 snippets. He shared no podium with celebrities, but even if he had notability is not established by who you stand next to. I will also state that while potentially satisfying for the musician, nominations for awards are not generally considered notable. The "Silver" award for the Global Music Awards for 2022 and 2023 have more than 100 silver winners. It isn't clear if there was anyone who applied for this that did not get an award. I still don't see anything that would meet GNG. Lamona (talk) 20:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Global Music Awards Gold Medal. Just 9 Winners of hundreds: https://www.globalmusicawards.com/honorees/november-2022

2. HMMA Nominee among celebrities: https://www.allaboutjazz.com/news/roman-miroshnichenko-henrik-andersen-and-trilok-gurtu-nominated-in-the-hollywood-music-in-media-awards/

3. The Great Jazz Guitarists Encyclopedia, edited by one of jazz's most influential historians Scott Yannow, is not pulp fiction. Hal Leonard doesn't do that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Yanow

p.s. It is probably necessary to be less superficial and biased. 92.243.182.120 (talk) 21:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - a winner of made up in one day awards for an up and coming but ultimately never make it to prime time musician. Bearian (talk) 03:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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