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Ireland–Mali relations

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The article is based on entirely primary sources. Fails GNG. Curiously the article says sources retrieved in Sept 2024 and March 2022 when the article was just created. This source is not indepth and this one is a small 1 line mention of Mali. LibStar (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bilateral relations, Africa, and Ireland. LibStar (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails GNG, the only GNG-qualifying sources I could find online had to do with Ireland's peacekeeping mission in Mali. Noah ^💬 02:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There do not appear to be sources (independent, secondary, non-trivial) that would establish notability. Yilloslime (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As an ATD, possible redirect to European Union Training Mission in Mali, which included deployment of the Irish Army. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can support that redirect; not opposed to keep, though, given existing coverage on the news about this. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The relations are more broad than the European Union Training Mission in Mali, so oppose redirect. LibStar (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Keep, then. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which third party coverage meets GNG for this subject? LibStar (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Irish Regiment 'on standby' for Mali mission BBC (4 February 2013), What are Ireland's Army Ranger Wing doing in Mali? RTE (25 February 2020), Ireland will continue on controversial Mali mission but with reduced troop commitment (Irish Times 22 November 2022), Wagner Group disinformation endangering Irish troops in Mali, researchers warn (Irish Times 12 July 2023). Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Further sourcing from last decade: "Questions to answer over Irish army involvement in Mali (Gript) 25 April 2022; Is Ireland Neutral in Mali? (The Phoenix) 10 February 2022; A Critique on Sending Irish Defence Forces to Mali (PANA) 14 January 2019; Irish troops to aid Mali regime despite ‘atrocity’ reports on all sides 14 February 2013. FWIW I realise Gript and Anphoblact are characterised as generally unreliable, however, I've cited them more to highlight the fact that the Irish mission in Mali has generated national political debate (which the PANA and Phoenix sources highlight as well). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goldsztajn, you've tracked down all of these sources but you haven't stated what outcome you are supporting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Liz - thanks for the ping. I'd originally suggested redirecting to European Union Training Mission in Mali. I'm still open to that - but I was actually hoping to hear back from @LibStar who'd made the nomination and asked questions about sourcing, but not responded to what has been presented so far. Also, looking back at their comment: "relations are more broad than the European Union Training Mission in Mali, so oppose redirect." - which is not clear to me; if the sources at this point show that relations are essentially only related to the deployment, how can it be "more"? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those bilateral relations articles that have been redirected are linked to Foreign relations of X article. So redirecting to EU Training Mission article seems to be an exception rather than the norm. LibStar (talk) 05:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And do you have an opinion on the sourcing I've cited? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources should be added to European Union Training Mission in Mali. LibStar (talk) 08:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to European Union Training Mission in Mali: is a very reasonable ATD per Goldsztajn. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]