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Macroxiphus sp cricket

Reason: Looks like an ant? Look again. A 4mm katydid mimicking an ant, because ants are of the most feared insects. Good quality and EV. For such a small subject, DOF is also quite good.
Articles this image appears in: Mimicry, Tettigoniidae, Macroxiphus
Creator: Muhammad

Support as nominator --Muhammad(talk) 08:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Even though there's a little bit of blur on the antennae but I don't think it can be helped at all and it doesn't detract from the EV.Terri G (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very interesting. I recommend you crop a bit off the left, to center the subject. smooth0⁷0₇ (talk) 02:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Man, you have some awesome insect photos. and again, it could do with a crop from the left. still an awesome photo - The Talking Sock talk contribs 22:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Got the wow factor, and good EV. — neuro^{(talk)(review)} 04:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support: All the 6 legs and both antennae are out of focus. I still support because of 'wow' it gives to me. - DSachan (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Noooo, please don't crop it! It's perfect just as it is. What a brilliant capture of bizarre behaviour in the animal kingdom, :-) Maedin\^talk 20:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support High EV. Lycaon (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Less than a megapixel on the subject. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Excellent point... was thinking that myself. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 23:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A megapixel is not the min requirement. The environment the insect is captured in has EV as well. --Muhammad(talk) 03:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, it isn't, but its still pretty small. You'd still be able to gather that this was a leaf with a tighter image. Noodle snacks (talk) 03:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - A tighter crop I made was around 1000px². --Muhammad(talk) 04:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose A little too much blur and too little detail for my tastes. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As above. I don't like the angle and composition either. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the most encyclopedic angle as it clearly shows how the katydid resembles the ant and how it is also slightly structurally different. --Muhammad(talk) 04:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per nom. Size is OK by me. DOF issues are a bit distracting, but my main concern is no full species ID. --jjron (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Subject is small in the image, but image is of high quality and while DOF is an issue, head and thorax (and hind legs) are almost entirely in focus. Supports offer good arguments. Consensus is nearly met (depending on how you define "weak" in numbers). Therefore: Promoted Image:Macroxiphus sp cricket.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 05:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Horseshoes, Yuma

**Original** - Horseshoe pitching contest at the annual field day of the FSA farmworkers community, Yuma, Arizona (1942)

**Not for voting** - Unrestored original

Reason: The young boys' eyes captivated me. And also: encyclopedic picture of a game of horseshoes at a field day in Yuma, Arizona in 1942. And no, the horizon is not straight. I'm assuming that Russell Lee knew what he was doing when he shot this for the FSA. Restoration included dust and scratchs and dealing with a particularly nastily faded original.
Articles this image appears in: Horseshoes, Field day
Creator: Russell Lee, photographer. Restored by Michel Vuijlsteke

Support as nominator --Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 00:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nice restoration, but not a whole lot of EV for horseshoes or field day (as it is easily reproducible). Also, no wow factor. Kaldari (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Wasn't aware that the wow factor was a requirement, sorry. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 02:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - It has to "illustrates the subject in a compelling way". Since nothing is historically unique about this photo (someone could easily recreate it today), why should we settle for a drab, grainy, black and white photo to illustrate the article? Kaldari (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's an illustration of the game of horseshoes in the 1940s. I understand the game went through a number of changes, including the height of the thingamajig sticking out of the ground (can you tell I'm not an expert? :) -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I like the image and it's historically significant, but at the moment its encyclopaedic use doesn't meet requirements. Its use in horseshoe is barely relevant (they're holding horseshoes, so what? How does this actually illustrate a horseshoe or its use? What are they doing with them?), and I can't immediately see its relevance to field day. Okay, I need to learn to read, scrap that - I just realised the difference between horseshoe and horseshoes. Now that is relevant - it shows the age of the game, and the culture and environment in which it was played. However I still think we can squeeze a bit more EV out of this as an example of Lee's work and the material that the FSA's depression photography program gathered around this time (with reference to Walker Evans, Dorothea Lange etc.) —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξ φ 12:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The EV for horseshoes is clear to me. (I'm American; this game is well known in the United States). Horizon doesn't bother me either: perhaps they were on an incline (the fenceposts on the left hand side and the posture of the two men are pretty close to vertical.) Spikebrennan (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support -- not sure I like the tilted angle, and the photo looks a bit fuzzy, but it seems to meet our requirements for a featured picture. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 13:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A good restoration effort, but I don't think the EV is strong enough. Fletcher (talk) 21:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - Best image for subjects illustrated, but might be better as a valued picture. Ceranthor 13:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Limited EV since it only shows half the game. We really need to see what he's aiming at. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- He's aiming at a small metal post, similar to the one at his feet. I don't see how you could really take a good photograph that includes the players and the target post-- either you're going to have depth of field issues, or a lot of uninteresting space in the middle. Spikebrennan (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus. Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 06:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Monument, Edinburgh

Reason: Fulfils criteria for featured picture; shows high level of detail; is interesting; is aesthetically pleasing
Articles this image appears in: Edinburgh, Scott Monument
Creator: George Gastin

Support as nominator --Donama (talk) 04:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While it's a striking photograph, it doesn't tell me anything about the monument. I had to go to the page to have any idea what the photograph was representing. In short, it's great picture, a terrible illustration. Also, most of the picture is out of focus, and the HDR looks excessive. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I actually like the composition, but it's the focus that really irks me. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 04:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You might like it, but you must admit the composition makes it virtually impossible to get any real information from it, which is kinda important! Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right; I never said I would have supported, but it is cool nonetheless. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 14:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Also, small and noisy --Muhammad(talk) 05:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - too small, HDR is excessive (making the monument itself look as if it's been inexpertly cut out and placed on a fake sky), is a confusing way to illustrate the subject in question. Quite nice artistically, but fails on encyclopaedic use. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξ φ 11:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose awkward composition. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 01:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose artistic, not encyclopaedic --Step hen 04:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Seems a bit out-of focus, also, it is not large and doesn't show the monument very clearly. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 13:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A bit out of focus? Significantly... I really don't think it should even illustrate the article at all.. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: I love this photo. Please try and do some work on it, to bring it out more. The EV is low with this one, but its a great image nonetheless. Synergy 00:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 06:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frances Densmore recording Mountain Chief

Reason: Quite encyclopedic image of ethnographer Frances Densmore in the actual process of preserving Native American language and culture. The picture shows Densmore with Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot chief she was recording for the Bureau of American Ethnology.
Articles this image appears in: Blackfoot, Frances Densmore, Bureau of American Ethnology, Ethnomusicology
Creator: Unknown photographer, part of the Library of Congress' National Photo Company Collection. Restored by Michel Vuijlsteke

Support as nominator --Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 20:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Very nice restoration, and high EV. I'm curious: did Mountain Chief put on his regalia to make the sound recording because it was a special occasion, or were those the clothes that he was going to wear that day anyway? Spikebrennan (talk) 00:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I remember seeing this image in a National Geographic magazine...does anyone know which? Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 01:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Google to the rescue[1]! I came across the picture completely by accident on the Library of Congress site, but apparently, in the words of National Geographic[2]:

This 1916 image of Frances Densmore and Blackfoot leader Mountain Chief listening to a cylinder recording has become a symbol of the early songcatcher era.

~~He's most probably not listening, of course: Densmore is recording onto a wax cylinder.~~ The picture was published in Mickey Hart, K.M. Kostyal, Songcatchers: In Search of the World's Music, National Geographic, 2003 (ISBN 079224107X). Weird restoration on the NG site, by the way. :D -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 17:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Except this now raises an issue with accuracy - see Criterion 6. NatGeo are saying they're listening, the image page description, presumably generated from the LoC notes, are saying they're recording. I've had issues with the accuracy of LoC information before (see the recent Heckler nom below for one example), and would be inclined to believe NatGeo. Is there a way to distinguish whether this is a recording or listening device (and how much does that then verge on OR)? --jjron (talk) 07:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was wrong. But neither LoC nor NatGeo are wrong: Densmore was most probably "recording Mountain Chief", i.e. Mountain Chief was there to be recorded, had been recorded or was about to be recorded (the date of the photo coincides with recordings of Mountain Chief[3]). This picture however is not of a recording: the listening horn is on the device.

This photo, taken in Washington, D.C., reflects the special aims and conditions not of the "oral poetry act" but rather of what might be called the "photography act." For the benefit of the photographer and posterity, Mountain Chief has donned his ceremonial native dress (his own?). At his side are emblems of the vanishing Native American culture that Densmore was doing her best to document. The collector adopts a non-assuming pose, eyes lowered on the machine. Mountain Chief gestures as if declaiming, although any sound that he is uttering at this moment would not be registered, for he is seated before the listening horn of the machine, not the recording horn. [4]

-- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 12:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise it's a different picture? Admittedly the device looks to be the same, but accuracy and EV are sliding IMO. And shouldn't captions and image page be changed if it's not a recording? (Not to mention filename, etc). --jjron (talk) 07:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's overstating the case a bit. It's a series of pictures taken on the same day. I found at least one picture in the series (this one) where Densmore has her eyes lowered on the machine, but at least one other (the one in the link above) doesn't. Some have Mountain Chief gesturing (cf. link above), some don't (cf. this image). I can't rename the picture, but I've modified the caption. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 14:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not overstating anything. I don't know how you know that these images were taken on the same day - I can see no date associated with the one at [5], certainly the background is completely different, the chair the chief is on is different, and while that image is pretty low res, either his pants are different or he's got something hanging over his knee, and Densmore's hair also looks to be different. Regardless, there seems to be a lot of guessing going on here from all parties. You even accidentally misquoted the image caption from the above link which in fact says "...Mountain Chief has donned ceremonial dress (his own, or someone else's?)..." - so even that caption is guessing at what's going on, and they're unsure whether the ceremonial dress is genuine, i.e., it might not even be his. BTW you can get files renamed I believe, or upload under a new name and request a deletion. --jjron (talk) 06:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Urgh. I really should check things before I reply. I was wrong (again), but the sources can be reconciled, and both the proposed caption and the original reason is correct. You can't be a 100% sure, I agree. But then again, you can't be sure of *anything*. Al you can go by is the sources. Here's a couple of different versions of the images I found:
1. LoC: "Piegan Indian, Mountain Chief, having his voice recorded by ethnologist Frances Densmore", dated "1916" [6] (scanned photographic print) and "Blackfoot Chief, Mountain Chief making phonographic record at Smithsonian, 2/9/1916" [7] (scanned glass negative)
2. LoC: "Frances Densmore using wax cylinder phonograph to record Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot Indian", dated "1916" [8]. Location is different: stone wall and stairs in background instead of dark cloth screen. Densmore is dressed the same but looks dark-haired, not gray; Mountain Chief is dressed differently.
3. Niles, Homo Narrans, 1999: "Frances Densmore, collector, with Mountain Chief of the Blackfoot Tribe, 1906. [...] donned ceremonial dress (his own, or someone else's?)" [9]. Dated 1906 in caption. Probably same session but slightly different from (2): same paraphernalia in front of Mountain Chief but Densmore looks up, not down. (Note that the missing "or someone else's" in my quotation above was not an accidental misquote: I didn't feel like retyping everything and copy-pasted from [10])
4. NatGeo: "This 1916 image of Frances Densmore and Blackfoot leader Mountain Chief listening to a cylinder recording has become a symbol of the early songcatcher era." [11] = retouched version of (1)
5. Smithsonian: CD cover, "Healing Songs of the American Indian" [12] = cropped version of (2)
6. Nettl and Bohlman, Comparative Musicology and Anthropology of Music, 1991: "Frances Densmore, ethnomudicologist, with Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot Indian, who is interpreting in sign language a song being played on a phonograph" [13] = version of (3), but dated 1916
7. Becker, Selling tradition, 1998: "Ethnomusicologist Frances Densmore and Mountain Chief of the Blackfoot tribe listen to a cylinder recording in 1906. [...] This photograph was taken outside the Smithsonian in Washington." [14] = version of (3)
8. Adolf Hungry-Wolf, The Blackfoot Papers: "Mountain Chief, having some of his songs recorded on wax cylinders [...] during a visit he made to Washington, D.C. around 1915. He has on his intertribal outfit, with Sioux headdress and fringed backskin suit" [15] dated around 1915 = version of (1)

There are more sources on Google Book Search. With a heavy dose of Occam's razor: there were two photo sessions, one in 1906 (at least once misreported as 1916) and one ca. 1916 (sources say 1914, ca. 1915, 1916). Both were staged. The sources seem to agree that Mountain Chief is not in the process of being recorded but rather listening, in both photos. Mountain Chief was however recorded by Frances Densmore: all sources agree that he was. The more recent photo (1) is dated quite precisely "2/9/1916" at the LoC; there is a recording of Mountain Chief dated quite precisely 2/16/1916 [16].

Conclusions? This picture is beyond any reasonable doubt a picture of Frances Densmore and Mountain Chief. According to the sources, the picture was taken in February 1916; Frances Densmore recorded Mountain Chief; recordings of Mountain Chief in February 1916 survive. "Frances Densmore recording Mountain Chief" is a reasonable image name; "Frances Densmore at the Smithsonian Institution in 1916 where she was recording Blackfoot chief Mountain Chief for the Bureau of American Ethnology. In this picture, Mountain Chief is listening to a recording." is a reasonable image caption. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Durova^Charge! 04:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~. Nice one - conveys an interesting story. Would be interested to know what they were actually recording. One could complain about the awkward arrangement with the subjects against the background screen, but I find it acceptable. --jjron (talk) 06:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per issues raised in above discussion. I do like the photo, but accuracy and EV appear compromised. Perhaps needs to be suspended pending clarification, which may or may not be possible. --jjron (talk) 07:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Excellent restored photo. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 13:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. It is kind of an awkward looking composition, but that also helps make it interesting. Fletcher (talk) 21:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. GerardM (talk) 11:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - great restoration, too. Xavexgoem (talk) 09:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Excellent restoration, and very high EV. Amazing. Synergy 00:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The conversation about the caption is legitimate, but easily solved by making the caption more vague. I also quoted both captions at the Commons image page. When two very trustworthy sources disagree, might as well just make it vague because Wikipedians can't determine which is right. Otherwise, this is has obvious support. Promoted Image:Frances Densmore recording Mountain Chief2.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 19:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. There's a fine solution for lack of EV - just make the supposed information in captions etc vaguer! :-) --jjron (talk) 06:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The photo shows a RECORDING session. If nothing else, the recording attachment (special arm and horn) clearly visible proves it. The tonearm and horn for listening on this type of machine look very different. We can even determine the exact moment of the photo shoot: Densmore has just started the machine and is lowering the recorder onto the blank wax - during actual recording OR playback her hand would have not been touching the tonearm! - and Mountain Chief is visibly concentrating, ready to launch his song or speech as soon as she gives the sign that the phonograph is running.

Here's a period illustration (from the original user's manual of the Edison machine) showing the _recording_ arm and horn: https://www.technogallerie.com/wp-content/uploads/1a-23.jpg

and here's a photo of Densmore's machine set up for playback. Note how the much larger playback horn sits on top of the back bracket, and there is an angled tonearm with the reproducer hanging vertically over the cylinder, while the recorder is placed at an oblique angle with the horn directly protruding from it. https://scontent.flej1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/307684032_1148534619202358_3479030545063488219_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=ntMGnpdaDr8AX8VQ7EH&_nc_oc=AQknQRQNgEshUbqauJN95IgPwkl8yZq0n_2Zb4tZZKNG9DEYrF4xRp6xucMehMRFYLQ&_nc_ht=scontent.flej1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9GcCAdPiPjj3aGjC36HYm1pn6PkI0xMCSdodUGy4Za-A&oe=6332B7A7

One obvious nonsense in the Smithsonian description is of course that he "interprets a song in Plains Indian sign language". One could record SIGN LANGUAGE on a movie camera I suppose, but we have an AUDIO recording session here so he must be reciting or singing. At any rate, "interpreting" is clearly not used in the sense of "translating" or "explaining", but means "performing" (like a pianist "interprets" a Chopin piece by playing it, and an actor "interprets" a role by speaking the words. 91.65.175.94 (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dresden

Reason: The German Wikimedia chapter made an announcement yesterday that the University of Dresden library has agreed to release 250,000 images from its collection directly to Wikimedia Commons. This restoration is a way of saying thank you: a high resolution view of the city before very extensive damage during World War II. Here's hoping it passes the exacting standards of FPC. Restored version of Image:Dresden photochrom.jpg.
Articles this image appears in: Bombing of Dresden in World War II, Dresden
Creator: Detroit Publishing Co.

Support as nominator --Durova^Charge! 04:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seems to be some fairly substantial CCW tilt going on. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All man-made structures seem to be level. I think it's the terrain in the background that give the illusion of tilt. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support GerardM (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tabarin (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Excellent restoration and composition. Adam (talk) 06:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Dresden photochrom2.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Toronto panorama

Original - 360-degree panorama of Toronto, Canada, as seen from the CN Tower, altitude 447 m (1,465 ft).

Reason: High-quality panorama.
Articles this image appears in: Toronto
Creator: Sunshine87

Support as nominator --♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 23:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It has gone around more than once, probably 370 or 380 degrees. The stitching is pretty average, the horizon is wavy and there are clear exposure differences between frames. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Noodle snacks. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too bad, because it's a fascinating picture. Perhaps with better stitching software? -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hftj — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.227.9.125 (65luhtalk) 05:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

=Funny smiley

Reason: Um, it's just hilarious.
Articles this imas in: User:Majorly etc
Creator

Support as nominator --Majorly talk 00:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support as Majorly iMatthew : Chat 00:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - YES.... X! : Chat 00:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per high encyclopedic value. Juliancolton : Chat 00:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Support Because it is (mostly) yellow. Jake Wartenberg : Chat 00:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Stop edit conflicting already! Until It Sleeps : Chat 00:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Jake Wartenberg : Chat 00:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think sockpuppets are eligible for voting... --ZooFari, today's top vandal. (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sorry, that was me D: Anyway, most awesome picture evar ≈ Mindstorms Kid^{[citation needed]} 00:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 00:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All that and no Pedro?. Synergy 01:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, copyvio. Q ^{T C} 01:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose and Speedy Close No, it's not funny. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, cause I was gonna try to nominate Awesome Face just now. ViperSnake151 02:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
{{db-nowcommons}} Kimchi.sg (talk) 02:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose Has no nose; unrealistic. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment' His mouth ate it. Q : Chat 03:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Even Stronger Oppose He's got a big mouth; blew the secret on my mom's surprise birthday party. Douchebag. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 03:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose It has no encyclopedic value at all. --ZooFari, today's top vandal. (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I dunno, it seems to fit in Smile and Parabolic eyes. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 04:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We can't add sillyness into articles. This is just a fun clip art used for User pages and other non-article stuff. If icons were elegible though, half of the ones in Commons would be FP. --ZooFari, today's top vandal. (talk) 04:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This guy's got yellow fever. I will support a healthy version --Muhammad(talk) 04:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Refreshingly strong support Let's not be quite so serious here guys. It's a fun image and also there's bound to some articles on smileys, cyber culture, memes etc. to which it could contribute.

April Fools! Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would have been funnier if you closed as promote. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Chewing Gum

Reason: Ultra high quality, really tasty, the composition bests the like of Ansel Adams
Articles this image appears in: Chewing Gum
Creator: Noodle snacks

Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in the strongest way possible, no wow. Also, background too noisy, image could do with serious cleanup. I had a stab at it in Edit 1.-- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hah, I hope you didn't go to too much effort. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A Pedro-strong support the_ed17 : Chat 02:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit2 sharpness is vastly improved in my edit, not to mention page load times. Also can be faxed more accurately. Mfield (Oi!) 02:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~ Scrambled Porn I mean edit 2. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's Kermit does Kansas. Mfield (Oi!) 02:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Comment. Needs size reference. I also suggest inverting, or possibly uploading the back of this photograph. Spikebrennan (talk) 12:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't support if it lacks Miss Piggy. Can anybody identify her? ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 03:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She's there alright, it's a positional (and thus compositional) thing. Maybe it could be reshot from a different angle at which point we could delist and replace. Mfield (Oi!) 03:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supprt Alt 1 I had the original run through a new algorithm which enhances the picture and reconstructs objects. Sorry about the colour change though. --Muhammad(talk) 04:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice B&W restoration. Think you may have got a bit carried away with the clone tool though. Mfield (Oi!) 04:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April Fools! Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

$100,000 bill

**Original** - Woodrow Wilson, arguably our most boring president EVA!

Reason: The economy's hurting everyone and featuring this image will allow us to remember when it was worth something.
Articles this image appears in: give it time
Creator: Woodrow Wilson's parents (bow-chicka-wow-wow!)

Support Currently enough for a gallon of BGH milk, a box of easy mac, and a pack of cigarettes (the FDA's three main food groups). Add a few more and you can bail out your own car company! ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 03:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, maybe... Does not meet the size criteria. But if this is rare, I may make an exception. However, I prefer this nominated at Valued pictures. Zoo Fari 03:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unfortunately, a bit too small. Durova^Charge! 05:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April Fools! Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Riveting team

Reason: Riveting team working on the cockpit shell of a C-47 transport at the plant of North American Aviation, Inc., Inglewood, California. Office of War Information photo (1942) by Alfred T. Palmer. Encyclopedic and arresting.
Articles this image appears in: ~~Rivet (to ilustrate process needing two people)~~, Rosie the Riveter (as an accent image for the "unequal pay" line), United States Office of War Information, United States home front during World War II
Creator: Alfred T. Palmer, photographer.

Support as nominator --Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 10:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support GerardM (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a great photo technically, but it's so obviously staged (note the careful lighting, work clothes and equipment in immaculate condition, etc) I don't see any EV and I don't think that it meets criteria 3 and 5. Nick-D (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I could really see the value of this subject if it were candid. But not as a studio shot. The lighting, as well, gives it distracting "atmosphere". The reality wasn't quite so glamorous, so I don't think this is an accurate enough representation. Maedin\^talk 18:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying. I removed the image from the Rivet article. I do however think the image is quite encyclopedically valuable for the United States Office of War Information and other articles, and precisely for the reasons it is not a good shot for rivet: this is obviously a staged shot. Through images like this the OWI is deliberately glamorizing women in their war-related roles, as part of its propaganda mission. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(filched the glamorizing bit from Julie Wosk, 'Women and the Machine: Representations from the Spinning Wheel to the Electronic Age, JHU Press, 2003, ISBN 0801873134, ISBN 9780801873133) -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 00:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 01:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eupeodes corollae

Reason: high quality depiction of a common species showing characteristic feature of males
Articles this image appears in: Eupeodes corollae, Eupeodes
Creator: Alvesgaspar (talk)

Support as nominator --Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lighting is flat, but its detailed and clear enough. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Nice image but I notice it is already in a featured picture as part of this poster (File:Syrphidae poster.jpg) also created by Alvesgaspar. Would this preclude it from being an FP itself? I'm not sure. |→ Spaully^₪† 12:32, 27 March 2009 (GMT)
- That is true but the size of this one is larger and they illustrate different articles. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would personally agree. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 06:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Maedin\^talk 18:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice, and good caption too. Fletcher (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Hoverfly January 2008-6.jpg MER-C 01:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feijoa sellowiana Flower

Reason: Clear, detailed, sharp, isolated subject
Articles this image appears in: Feijoa
Creator: Noodle snacks

Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose [original] Well-composed and fairly large, but a good portion of the flower is blown completely to white. Sorry.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 12:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sincerest apologies, but you are wrong, please make some measurements or look at a histogram. http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot221.jpg has the histogram and a sample. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - So the values are in the low 240s instead of 255, correct? However, they look blown (although perhaps not completely blown) to the eye. Ultimately, people and not machines will look at this image, many of whom who have minimal photographic experience. They won't bother to check the histogram, just be distracted by a blob of (off-)white in the middle of the image. I will, however, keep an open mind and watch this nom closely.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 12:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Hence the edit... Noodle snacks (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Support Edit Much better. Thank you.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 12:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit. Nice flower and photo. Good petal detail can be seen in the edit. |→ Spaully^₪† 15:09, 27 March 2009 (GMT)
Support Edit per nom. --jjron (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support edit Good quality but as I mentioned above, I prefer natural backgrounds where possible. --Muhammad(talk) 18:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It is dark green, though I know what you mean. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Feijoa sellowiana edit.jpg MER-C 01:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pig's Ear

Reason: High quality image of a fairly small flower.
Articles this image appears in: Cotyledon orbiculata, Crassulaceae, Cotyledon (plant)
Creator: Noodle snacks

Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 12:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I haven't viewed full size yet but DOF seems really small. What was the size of the flowers? --Muhammad(talk) 13:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I took a vernier with me whilst I went to water some of my seedlings. About 10mm. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would like to support but currently the image is used in only 1, one line article. I fail to see sufficient EV. --Muhammad(talk) 07:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Its in three now, which is at least as much corresponding article as File:Tachysphex specie edit1.jpg, for example. Noodle snacks (talk) 08:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Weak support --Muhammad(talk) 07:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support DOF isn't that much of an issue to me. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 14:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. DOF is adequate, IMO. Beautiful picture. (Also, glad to see the CC license rather than GFDL 1.2-only). BTW, I've started doing some wildflower photography myself, although most of my pictures are terrible so far. Kaldari (talk) 20:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not that this is relevant to the nom at all, but I like this one. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 05:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks. I think if the background weren't so distracting, I might nominate that one. I guess I need to learn more about lighting so I can get those dark backgrounds. 98.193.167.252 (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Usually fast shutter speeds with small apertures and flash lighting produce those dark backgrounds. Personally, I don't like them though --Muhammad(talk) 17:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Quite right and the iso has an effect too. File:Unknown Pinaceae Cones 3800.jpg for example lets in quite a bit of light. Really Depends on how distracting the background is. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question - I have to know though: Are the water droplets natural or spray-on? :) 98.193.167.252 (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The plant is outdoors, and it was rained on. Though I'm not sure how natural H₂O varies from natural H₂O :D Noodle snacks (talk) 23:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Cotyledon orbiculata 3.jpg MER-C 01:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Little trout bay, Lake superior, at sunrise

Reason: I think it's a beautiful image, meeting the criteria
Articles this image appears in: Little trout bay
Creator: Chzz

Support as nominator -- Chzz ► 13:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Just so you know, the FP regulars find sunrises and sunsets to be a somewhat controversially encyclopedic subject. Warning you now. Ceranthor 13:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - It's a nice image indeed, but there's little encyclopedic value to speak of. The image as a whole is rather grainy, as well. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Tells us very little about the subject. Mostlyharmless (talk) 01:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Minimal encyclopedic value (EV). Spikebrennan (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 01:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Araucaria seeds

Reason: It is a good image of araucaria seeds, and I noticed none were present at the Araucaria page. Also, the image quality is good and eye-catching, IMO.
Articles this image appears in: Araucaria
Creator: rodrigomorante

Support as nominator --Rodrigomorante (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The picture is in a gallery and is not referred to in the article. I can't support an abstract encyclopaedic value. If the article is modified in order to accommodate the picture, we'll se then. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 00:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Numerous blown highlights. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 01:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - harsh lighting, resulting in blown highlights. Perspective is a little too close for comfort. No great EV at the moment in article. With better lighting it would be good - sharpness isn't bad at full resolution, and focus/noise/compression/resolution/aberration are all at good levels. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξ φ 16:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 01:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Irene, Istanbul

Reason: High resolution encyclopedic picture of the first Christian church built in Constantinople. More recent pictures have more trees and, erm, stuff around the church and don't give as clear a view of the building.
Articles this image appears in: Constantine I and Christianity, Hagia Eirene
Creator: Sébah & Joaillier, photographers. Restored by Michel Vuijlsteke.

Support as nominator --Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice work! Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 07:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Yeah there are trees and stuff now, but I'm not convinced that a good, modern photo is impossible. The one in Hagia Irene isn't too bad, and the color really brings this place to life. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 01:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asilidae Stichopogon sp.

Reason: Good quality, composition and EV. The fly was only 4mm long.
Articles this image appears in: Asilidae, Stichopogon, Dasypogoninae
Creator: Muhammad

Support as nominator --Muhammad(talk) 05:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original, oppose alt Good pic of something so small.Terri G (talk) 18:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original the Alt has too much brightness. I prefer that composition, though. Zoo Fari 23:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Quality not comparable with existing FP's of similar subjects. Poor lighting, detail and sharpness. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 16:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you point out any other FPs of an insect of similar size? --Muhammad(talk) 03:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The issue is not so much the overall size of the insect but the way details are shown (or not shown). See here, here and here. Difficult? Yes. Alvesgaspar (talk) 08:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Overall size of the insect does affect the details shown. With a large organism, you can move further away from the subject and maintain a considerably larger aperture and still get good DOF. For smaller insects, you have to move as close as possible, use a small aperture to get a good DOF resulting in lack of sharpness. This image is of a larger subject, maybe 1.5 inches?, this is a 9mm subject and I believe getting good details of something of this size is not very difficult. File:Mole cricket02.jpg is of a small subject but then again its a studio shot, and these tend to be better due to obvious reasons. FWIW, I think the image nominated does show good details and sharpness. The small bristles on its legs are visible even at thumbnail size! (from my calculations, the size of these bristles is around 0.1mm). --Muhammad(talk) 10:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Mole crickets are actually pretty big, 3-5cm. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Somehow I read mm instead of cm. Well, just emphasizes my points. --Muhammad(talk) 03:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original - For a subject this size (in a non-studio environment), it's pretty much impossible to get both perfect sharpness and DOF. I don't think there's any important information missing from the photo due to those limitations, though. Kaldari (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Alvesgaspar. I realise that the size is problematic, but better quality is possible with the right equipment. The alternative almost has the detail required but seems to be severely over exposed. I know how you feel, I've taken tons of bird photos that are not FP quality due to lack of reach. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I have recovered the highlights and slightly decreased the exposure of the alternative (shown here as Edit Alt). Comments from everyone will be appreciated. Better? --Muhammad(talk) 16:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is the creature brown or grey? WB needs some work on one of them. Noodle snacks (talk) 07:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - The colors of the original seem truer. I have the raw, should I bother to upload another edit? --Muhammad(talk) 17:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus. Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 02:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]