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Pinocchio by Carlo Collodi
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did not like it

It is always a dicey affair to criticise a popular book: and when it is an acknowledged classic for children, it is even more dangerous. So I agonised a lot over my impressions of Pinocchio: Is it only a matter of personal taste? Am I missing something? Should I rethink my rating based on learned opinions spanning more than a century? In the end, I decided to go with my original evaluation.

This is one of those stories you read and love in comics format or abridged versions before you come into contact with the original. What usually happens is that, those adaptations modify and trim the original tale to suit the sensibilities of the current generation. I also read Pinocchio as a comic book and loved it; however, on reading the original, I find that many of the "creepier" elements had been edited out of that version.

I do not love moral fables for children. The type of story where, for example, the disobedient little lamb is gobbled up by the big, bad wolf, crying with his last breath: "Oh! If I had only listened to my mother!" is terrifying to kids (I speak from personal experience). They are equivalent to the posters of hell which some people were fond of hanging in their drawing rooms during my childhood. In the nineteenth century, when Collodi wrote his story, one can easily understand that this must have been an accepted method of keeping children in line: by frightening them out of their wits. I do not think the modern world will look kindly on that method.

It is not that creepiness by itself is bad. Many fairy tales are frightening, with their suggestions of cannibalism, patricide, incest, torture etc. The difference between the fairy tale and the moral fable is that the fairy tale is a live entity, growing, shrinking and changing shape while travelling from mouth to mouth; the messages are subliminal, interacting with the child's subconscious. The moral fable on the other hand, is "purposeful" - there is a message ("if you do this, then this will happen!") which the author wants to drum into the child's head, usually by using fear as a tool. It is the narrative equivalent of the schoolmaster's swishing cane.

Collodi's story, taken by itself, has many wonderful elements of dark fantasy (the huge Dogfish which swallows ships whole, the snake with a tail which smokes like a chimney, the little white man who converts boys to donkeys and sells them...) and could have made a wonderful fairy tale. However, the moralising on almost every page of what happens to bad boys who do not obey their parents, do not study and tell lies takes all the fun out of it: the voice of the narrator, coming out through various parental figures, becomes sickening. (view spoiler). I was happy when the story ended.

I would recommend reading it to children with the morality edited out: but why bother? There are better books out there. Or let them read it as a comic book, or watch the Disney movie.
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Reading Progress

February 29, 2012 – Started Reading
February 29, 2012 – Shelved
February 29, 2012 –
page 35
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February 29, 2012 –
page 77
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March 1, 2012 –
page 92
35.11%
March 2, 2012 –
page 134
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March 2, 2012 –
page 199
75.95%
March 2, 2012 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Riku (new)

Riku Sayuj harsh


Nandakishore Mridula This one was a big, big disappointment... maybe I should have read it as a child.


message 3: by Riku (new)

Riku Sayuj you might want to go through this article on pinocchio - http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandt...


Petra It's a year now, still in a dark place I don't feel the same way, I like the original fairy tales before they are Disneyfied and sweetened up for kiddies. I enjoyed reading your review - it's always interesting (to me) to read a different point of view.


Nandakishore Mridula Petra, I concur in the case of fairy tales (even though I sometimes like the Disney version also): but the thing I hated about Pinocchio was the self-righteous moralising sermons peppered throughout the narrative; something which is conspicuous by its absence in fairy tales.


Nandakishore Mridula I believe I might have made myself a trifle unpopular with this review... :(


Petra It's a year now, still in a dark place Nandakishore wrote: "I believe I might have made myself a trifle unpopular with this review... :("

Nah!

I don't think I ever noticed the moralising but I quite like vicious moralising children's stories. Do you know Struwwelpeter: Fearful Stories & Vile Pictures to Instruct Good Little Folks? I loved this when I was a kid. Very awful endings for naughty children and great illustrations. Here are the two best known ones:

Little Suck-a-Thumb
http://www.has.vcu.edu/for/struwwel/d...
Augustus who would not have any soup
http://www.has.vcu.edu/for/struwwel/k...


Nandakishore Mridula Riku wrote: "you might want to go through this article on pinocchio - http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandt..."

Riku, the article was interesting. However, I still do not see any "hidden depths" in the story: the author was pretty open about the message he wanted to convey. If the story had been written without the constant comments about Pinocchio's "bad" nature and what he needs to do to become a "good" boy, maybe it would have been different.


message 9: by Nandakishore (last edited Mar 02, 2012 09:09PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Nandakishore Mridula Petra, I loved those poems, they are so over-the-top and bizarre! However, I wonder whether I'd have loved it had I come across it as a child...


message 10: by Laura (new)

Laura Leaney I never liked this book - but for some reason I never forgot it either.


Nandakishore Mridula I loved the comic version. I read the original only now, and it was quite an unpleasant shock.


aPriL does feral sometimes Opinions are ALWAYS popular with me. ; )

Many fairy tales started as ancient fireside tales for adults, too. Others were disguised political criticisms against the powerful prince or dictator or religious leader. And as you already said, the stories are adjusted for each generation. Because of the oral tradition and the ancient roots and the hidden political agenda many have had in the past, they ALMOST can mean whatever moral you are wanting, depending. I definitely mark them as moral stories and just as relative as time/space science.


Nandakishore Mridula April,

My point was, you may be able to find morals in fairy tales, but hardly any moralising. In fact, many fairy tales are downright amoral. True, there are many nightmarish situations (abandonment by parents, being eaten by monsters, confinement in dungeons etc.): but these work at the level of the subconscious. A moral fable, by contrast, is very blunt in its cruel treatment of social mavericks.


aPriL does feral sometimes As usual, I went on a big picture tangent. I actually agree with your analysis of Pinocchio. It is a hammer aimed at any spark of child independence from parental control, under the assumption that Stepford Wife obedience (to parents) leads to being a' good' boy, and disobedience will inevitably lead to adventures and experiences that seem really cool but are bad for you in the long run because they turn boys into 'bad' boys or dumb animals. The either-or choice is very offensive and confining of real intelligence. However, I think a parent of a boy in the 'terrible twos' age will read this book to their kid every day. But if I were a thinking little boy, I think the risk of being bad and having adventures sounds better than being good by obedience to mom and dad. Lol.


Natalie (CuriousReader) You put my thoughts into words! Really agree with your review. I am actually surprised that it's so popular.


Nandakishore Mridula Nayu wrote: "You put my thoughts into words! Really agree with your review. I am actually surprised that it's so popular."

I don't know how many have read Collodi's original novel. Most of them might have read sweetened versions, like me.


message 17: by Mir (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mir Nandakishore wrote: "Petra, I loved those poems, they are so over-the-top and bizarre! However, I wonder whether I'd have loved it had I come across it as a child..."

A lot of Germans of my acquaintance say they were scared out of their wits by this book as children.

I'm not necessarily against books having a moral lesson (although I think if it is heavy-handed it usually ruins the enjoyment of the book) but "Do the slightest thing wrong and horrible things will happen" isn't really an attitude I want to instill in children anyway.


Nandakishore Mridula Elham and Miriam,

I don't mind mild moral lessons like in Peter Rabbit, but this book was obscene in its moralising. There is almost no fun in the story, only terror.


message 19: by Ivonne (last edited May 03, 2015 07:16PM) (new)

Ivonne Rovira I wonder if Carlo Collodi was over-compensating. Do you know how no one gets on smokers as much as ex-smokers? By all accounts, Collodi, a military man, had been an absolute hellion as a child. His status as a reformed sinner might explain the excess harshness.

I actually enjoyed the book as a 10- or 12-year-old, but I love your review nonetheless.


Nandakishore Mridula Ivonne wrote: "I wonder if Carlo Collodi was over-compensating. Do you know how no one gets on smokers as much as ex-smokers? By all accounts, Collodi, a military man, had been an absolute hellion as a child. His..."

Thank you. I read it as a comic book in my childhood and loved it too, but most of the frightening things were edited out of it, I find.


message 21: by Lara (new) - rated it 2 stars

Lara Malik I thought the same when I read it. You are not the only one, it was almost too repetitive.


Medvedic I actually enjoyed the book a lot and it is quite refreshing to see a completely different point of view. Some interesting points. I never paid attention to the moralizing until this review and just enjoyed the adventures.


Rebecca I felt the same way when I read it. Pinocchio was originally written as a weekly series in the local newspaper, so I think that explains the repetitive messages in each chapter. The Adventures of Pinocchio doesn't flow that well as a complete book, so I think that's why I found it so formulaic as each chapter (or a few together) could stand alone.


Nandakishore Mridula Lara wrote: "I thought the same when I read it. You are not the only one, it was almost too repetitive."

I seem to have missed your comment! Sorry.

Yes, it was boring too.


Nandakishore Mridula Medvedic wrote: "I actually enjoyed the book a lot and it is quite refreshing to see a completely different point of view. Some interesting points. I never paid attention to the moralizing until this review and jus..."

I somehow missed your comment. I guess it can be seen just as an adventure story, but I felt many parts would be distressing to kids. As a child, I was frightened of moral stories.


Nandakishore Mridula Rebecca wrote: "I felt the same way when I read it. Pinocchio was originally written as a weekly series in the local newspaper, so I think that explains the repetitive messages in each chapter. The Adventures of P..."

I didn't know that it was serialised. But yes, it's pretty much formulaic.


message 27: by Jehona (new)

Jehona I really like your review and the fact that you take into account the modern views. I haven't read this since I was 7 or 8, but over time I've come to see it differently... Maybe from a modern perspective. Maybe closer to the original than you would consider it at first glance. Pinocchio is not just a boy who misbehaves and suffers for it. He is a puppet. His father made him like that. So, we have a caring and loving father who is very bad at being a father and treats his son like a puppet, giving him orders, telling him what to do and how to be "a good boy", but never taking the time to explain to him the reasons behind his orders. That makes Pinocchio an angry and bitter boy. He wants so bad to be a real boy, a real person, but his father unwittingly prevents him from becoming a real boy because he is overprotective and real boys get hurt. Pinocchio tries to rebel, but his conditioning is too strong. He is incapable of taking charge of his life, and instead of becoming a real boy, he just becomes other people's puppet instead of his misguided but loving dad's. Needless to say, others aren't so kind as to manipulate him only towards good things. This real life experience teaches him the meaning behind his father's orders, the answers to his whys. After he manages to take risks to save his father without being told to do so by anyone, relying not on others' words but on his feelings and thoughts, finally his father also sees him as a real boy, not a puppet anymore, and realizes that he is a far smarter and better person than he was given credit for.


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