Kobojunkie:

See me see wahala ooo!!

I asked a straight up question here. Ibos are NOT 100% for Biafra. I gave you examples of two people I know for sure. Or is this now an attempt to prove that Ibos are 100% PRO-BIAFRA or something?? Why not answer my question? Why try to DRIBBLE around the main issue by making silly claims of examples I gave. . . . people even you cannot deny that I truly know.

I am sorry if you think it is see you see wahala. I am just trying to see if there is any source of proof other than a faceless person making comments that are unverifiable.  How can I answer your question when you did not pose it to me to begin with? I asked you a question and I think you were asking other people questions.
No need to use anger and dribble around giving me a source of your claims.
It seems when people around here can't justify comments they make they break it down calling questions "silly claims".

I have no proof so I can deny that you truly know.

Uche2nna:

Yeah, u can do that but not on the flimsy excuse that U were duped.

Americans would not turn against a cause because they were duped by fellow americans. There has to be a deeper underlying principle.

Dude . . . . if you do not know the whole story ASK FOR ME INFORMATION!!! Not make silly connections, that confuzzles even me. lol

asha 80:

Look it will be foolish to think that every igbo person will support biafra.If you know igbos well you will know that igbos do not have herd mentality of some ethnic groups in nigeria.If for anything igbos can be quite individualistic and independent minded.So if the person dislikes the biafra idea it should not come as a suprise to anyone.

I am yet to see any IGBO that is averse to a sovereign state.

I have seen diverse opinions on how the cause should be achieved (some dont believe in Uwazurike's method , others do) but no Igbo man and I repeat , Igbo man on earth would not want to live and see the actualization of a sovereign state.

savanaha:

I am sorry if you think it is see you see wahala. I am just trying to see if there is any source of proof other than a faceless person making comments that are unverifiable.   How can I answer your question when you did not pose it to me to begin with? I asked you a question and I think you were asking other people questions.
No need to use anger and dribble around giving me a source of your claims.
It seems when people around here can't justify comments they make they break it down calling questions "silly claims".

I have no proof so I can deny that you truly know.

Source or proof for what exactly? That NOT ALL IBOS SUPPORT THE BIAFRA DREAM?? SERIOUSLY?? You really NEED PROOF for that ? Or are you just trying to drive this where it ought not to go? I mean what the heck are you going on and on about the people I know. You do not know them, and I don't it is relevant that you do here since this is not about them but just that they are an example of the fact that NOT ALL IBOS SUPPORT THE BIAFRAN DREAM!!!

OK OOO!!! I guess @Asha is WRONG. ALL IBOS want to Live in Biafra and Not Nigeria !!

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Kobojunkie:

Dude . . . . if you do not know the whole story ASK FOR ME INFORMATION!!! Not make silly connections, that confuzzles even me.    lol

I really dont care for ur story. For all i know, it is cock and bull.

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NOT ALL IBOS SUPPORT THE BIAFRAN DREAM!!!

And U know that because U allegedly met a phantom who told U that Nigeria is the best thing since fried plantain. Clap for urself

Kobojunkie:

Well, I am not sure I would compare the Ibos to any other tribe in the way you did above, but yeah, the lack of the UNISON as some would PRETEND exists between the ibos is reason why I asked my initial question.
So, are you saying the PRO-BIAFRANS might resort to fighting the ANTI-BIAFRAN ibos then? I mean right here on nairaland many of the pro-biafrans feel they need to INSULT their way into being heard. And I wonder if it is this hard with other ethnicities, how much harder it would be for those are Ibos and anti.
I am not saying other tribalists are saints but you guys are no saints yourselves. So why do you expect to be taken seriously if you have yet to prove that you are any better than the rest of us? I hope you understand what I mean here?

When people talk about the facts that igbos are not united sometimes i wonder if we talking about unity in looting the treasure.

Have igbos ever claime to be saints?

Uche2nna:

I am yet to see any IGBO that is averse to a sovereign state.

I have seen diverse opinions on how the cause should be achieved (some dont believe in Uwazurike's method , others do) but no Igbo man and I repeat , Igbo man on earth would not want to live and see the actualization of a sovereign state.

Igbos in general want an egalitarian society that is just which is non existent in nigeria that makes biafra desirable since the igbo society in egalitarian in nature.

Uche2nna:


I really dont care for ur story. For all i know, it is cock and bull.

And U know that because U allegedly met a phantom who told U that Nigeria is the best thing since fried plantain. Clap for urself

Kobojunkie:

Well, I am not sure I would compare the Ibos to any other tribe in the way you did above, but yeah, the lack of the UNISON as some would PRETEND exists between the ibos is reason why I asked my initial question.
So, are you saying the PRO-BIAFRANS might resort to fighting the ANTI-BIAFRAN ibos then? I mean right here on nairaland many of the pro-biafrans feel they need to INSULT their way into being heard. And I wonder if it is this hard with other ethnicities, how much harder it would be for those are Ibos and anti.
I am not saying other tribalists are saints but you guys are no saints yourselves. So why do you expect to be taken seriously if you have yet to prove that you are any better than the rest of us? I hope you understand what I mean here?

Kobojunkie, who on earth are you to know what Igbo people are doing?

asha 80:

When people talk about the facts that igbos are not united sometimes i wonder if we talking about unity in looting the treasure.

Well, unity in looting will be a start though, don't you think?

asha 80:

Have igbos ever claime to be saints?

You don’t have to claim to be saints, but if your reason for insulting others is simply cause they insult you too then why complain about it? Why feel targeted when you admit you do exactly the same as others?

asha 80:

Igbos in general want an egalitarian society that is just which is non existent in nigeria that makes biafra desirable since the igbo society in egalitarian in nature.

Ibos want an egalitarian society, so do the other groups in Nigeria. That does NOT make Biafra desirable in my opinion. It is to me like admitting your house is in shambles and then telling me the only way is to buy a new house. Does not COMPUTE!

Ezeágu:

Kobojunkie, who on earth are you to know what Igbo people are doing?

Roflmao!!! Who on earth are the IBOS that they should not be subject to the same natural laws that govern other tribes? NO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, NOT EVEN AMERICANS, American Indians, Sunnis, Shites, even brain dead Zombies etc are 100% for any cause. Are the ibos the one group to break this mold? Says who?

Kobojunkie:

Roflmao!!! Who on earth are the IBOS that they should not be subject to the same natural laws that govern other tribes? NO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, NOT EVEN AMERICANS, American Indians, Sunnis, Shites, even brain dead Zombies etc are 100% for any cause. Are the ibos the one group to break this mold? Says who?

Oh go away, buzz off you don't know nah-tin. What is it to you if Igbo people decide to move to mars? go and get an Igbo mate and stop disturbing us. Were slaves 100% for the Southern confederacy?

see what i mean? lol

Kobojunkie:

see what i mean? lol

No, I don't I'm ignorant, how can you be telling people what they think and then expect them to be courteous to you?

Kobojunkie:

It is to me like admitting your house is in shambles and then telling me the only way is to buy a new house. Does not COMPUTE!

Yeah, if U have spent 40 something years trying to fix the house and no progress, it is only wise to look for alternatives, of which buying a new house is one of them.

Another scenario where U would wanna buy a new house and jettison the old one is if a better house comes along. Geddit?

Well, unity in looting will be a start though, don't you think?

From you very funny.If igbos start that you will be the first to lament.

You don’t have to claim to be saints, but if your reason for insulting others is simply cause they insult you too then why complain about it? Why feel targeted when you admit you do exactly the same as others?

Yes i should just swallow the insults even when i try to avoid it.Like the "my pikin episode".

Ibos want an egalitarian society, so do the other groups in Nigeria. That does NOT make Biafra desirable in my opinion. It is to me like admitting your house is in shambles and then telling me the only way is to buy a new house. Does not COMPUTE!

Even some yorubas and of course hausa do not agree to this.

Uche2nna:

Yeah, if U have spent 40 something years trying to fix the house and no progress, it is only wise to look for alternatives, of which buying a new house is one of them.

Another scenario where U would wanna buy a new house and jettison the old one is if a better house comes along. Geddit?

What if you were tricked into renting the house?

Ezeágu:

No, I don't I'm ignorant, how can you be telling people what they think and then expect them to be courteous to you?

But I never did that. I simply told you, straight up, that NOT ALL IBOS ARE PRO-BIAFRA. I gave examples of some I know of. And I even went ahead and stated for a Fact that people are NEVER 100% for a cause just because you say they are. Eg. Christians, Muslims. We have numerous examples of where groups continue to REMAIN DIVIDED when it comes to issues.

I don't know what part of that warrants my getting slugged at all.

Ezeágu:

What if you were tricked into renting the house?

Another reason to quit!!!

So I dont really know what Kobo's analogy was meant to achieve?

asha 80:

From you very funny.If igbos start that you will be the first to lament.

Huh?? I would lament? Hausas do it, though not in unison. Yoruba’s do it, though not in Unison. Ibos do it, though not in Unison. You think say if the Ibos decide to step up their game and make it an ethnic-wide trade, I go lament more?? Roflmao!!

asha 80:

Yes i should just swallow the insults even when i try to avoid it.Like the "my pikin episode".

Well, I didn’t say you should swallow the insults but Just don’t come back playing the VICTIM CARD. It just comes off as being really pathetic.

asha 80:

Even some yorubas and of course hausa do not agree to this.

In much the same way as some Ibos do not agree to the same. Your point?

Kobojunkie:

Huh?? I would lament? Hausas do it, though not in unison. Yoruba’s do it, though not in Unison. Ibos do it, though not in Unison. You think say if the Ibos decide to step up their game and make it an ethnic-wide trade, I go lament more?? Roflmao!!
Well, I didn’t say you should swallow the insults but Just don’t come back playing the VICTIM CARD. It just comes off as being really pathetic.
In much the same way as some Ibos do not agree to the same. Your point?

Did all the southerners agree with the Southern American Confederacy?

Uche2nna:

Yeah, if U have spent 40 something years trying to fix the house and no progress, it is only wise to look for alternatives, of which buying a new house is one of them.

Another scenario where U would wanna buy a new house and jettison the old one is if a better house comes along. Geddit?

a) You never really did much to try to fix the house all through the 40 year period. Please let us stick to reality here. The proof is in the fact that even the Ibo communities are no better in any shape or form than their Yoruba or hausa counterparts.
b) A better house hAS NOT COME ALONG, instead you are DREAMING UP a better house, even though you have yet to PROVE you can even handle owning a house.
By my assessment, Ibos have yet to prove, like every other tribe in that country, themselves capable of handling responsibilities that come with owning a house.

They say if you prove yourself capable of managing the little you have, life is bound to give you more. So far, Ibos are no better in handling their affairs then any other tribe. So again, NEW HOUSE does not compute.

Ezeágu:

Did all the southerners agree with the Southern American Confederacy?

Well, consider what happened to them. ROFLMAO!!

Kobojunkie:

Well, consider what happened to them. ROFLMAO!!

Yeah, they were reabsorbed into the country without marginalisation. They also held slaves which was part of their downfall. Then what bout Czechoslovakia?

Kobojunkie:

Huh?? I would lament? Hausas do it, though not in unison. Yoruba’s do it, though not in Unison. Ibos do it, though not in Unison. You think say if the Ibos decide to step up their game and make it an ethnic-wide trade, I go lament more?? Roflmao!!
Well, I didn’t say you should swallow the insults but Just don’t come back playing the VICTIM CARD. It just comes off as being really pathetic.
In much the same way as some Ibos do not agree to the same. Your point?

My point is simple.Nigeria is on a fast forward match to to a failed state because we refused to resolve the fundamental problems rocking this country since we run away from them hoping God in his infite mercies would perfom a miracle on the country.This the big difference between europians and nigerian or africans in general.

The issue of ethnicity cannot be wished away.Until basic fundamental issues destroying the country (ethnicity being one of them) then we will continue to grovel with the seondary issues cropping out and increasin daily which in turn makes ethnic agitation desirable.Do not even ask me what these fundamental issues are unless you are trying to be funny.

Well one is who is a nigerian?

Ezeágu:

Yeah, they were reabsorbed into the country without marginalisation.

Well, they were definitely absorbed but be sure they did not do so WILLINGLY!! For one thousands fought and died to prevent absorbtion for years. You only need to take a trip down to the south today and you are sure to find people, and families still holding on to that old dream, their own "Biafran" _delusion fantasy.

[s]_{this is some seriously aggressive minority we are dealing with here. I shouldn't have asked that question ooo!!} [/s]

Kobojunkie:

a) You never really did much to try to fix the house all through the 40 year period.

U asking for us to stick to reality here and U go off making bogus claims, even before the war there were attempts to fix a leaking faucet and all those attempts came to nought.

Take out the Igbos and their clamour for independence from the equation, how much and well have Nigeria fared.  An indication of that is the upheaval in the Niger delta. How many times have the idea for resource control being mooted and how many times have that being smooched up.
I remember Obj going around mouthing his mouth off in the North in 2002 just before the Sovereign National conference that the reason behind the civil war was fought was because of resource control as if the North needed any persuasion to vote against that. Take that for ur repairs!!!!

Kobojunkie:

b) A better house hAS NOT COME ALONG, instead you are DREAMING UP a better house, even though you have yet to PROVE you can even handle owning a house.

The point is that I am not asking U to leave ur house and come live in my dream house. If U think it is a dream, then leave me to go live my dream. I am the one who is going to end up homeless , not you. So if U dont have some ulterior motives, why are U insisting I stay. I know U dont love me  

Kobojunkie:


By my assessment, Ibos have yet to prove, like every other tribe in that country, themselves capable of handling responsibilities that come with owning a house.

Who the Bleep are U?   We dont need to prove shit to U, see me see trouble ooooo!!!! Take ur assessment and stick it.

So u are saying that if the British had not amalgamated us in 1914 , all the tribes in the geographical space called Nigeria would have gone extinct?  

Kobojunkie:

Well, they were definitely absorbed but be sure they did not do so WILLINGLY!! For one thousands fought and died to prevent absorbtion for years. You only need to take a trip down to the south today and you are sure to find people, and families still holding on to that old dream, their own "Biafran" _delusion fantasy.  

[s]_{this is some seriously aggressive minority we are dealing with here. I shouldn't have asked that question ooo!!} [/s]  

The United States left Britain, remember. Those southerners are not very rationale and they held slaves who rebelled against them, Biafra is a totally different scenario.


But what about Serbia and Montenegro, or Czechoslovakia?

asha 80:

My point is simple.Nigeria is on a fast forward match to to a failed state because we refused to resolve the fundamental problems rocking this country since we run away from them hoping God in his infite mercies would perfom a miracle on the country.This the big difference between europians and nigerian or africans in general.

Ok. According to you, Nigeria is on a fast forward match to becoming a definite failed state because we refuse to resolve the fundamental problems rocking the country. But the Ibos are amongst those refusing to resolve the fundamental problems rocking the country. The Ibos have themselves turned a blind eye to the problem, just as the yorubas and Hausas have. So, I still see a disconnect here between the problem and Biafra being a possible solution.

asha 80:

The issue of ethnicity cannot be wished away.Until basic fundamental issues destroying the country (ethnicity being one of them) then we will continue to grovel with the seondary issues cropping out and increasin daily which in turn makes ethnic agitation desirable.Do not even ask me what these fundamental issues are unless you are trying to be funny.
Well one is who is a nigerian?

These same problems exist with the ibo tribe itself. The Ibos grovel amongst themselves when it comes to this issue so why then prescribe a solution that in no way addresses the problem as the best one? Again, you are trying to tell me that even though you have not shown yourself a good home owner, you deserve a new home.

Kobojunkie:

Ok. According to you, Nigeria is on a fast forward match to becoming a definite failed state because we refuse to resolve the fundamental problems rocking the country. But the Ibos are amongst those refusing to resolve the fundamental problems rocking the country. The Ibos have themselves turned a blind eye to the problem, just as the yorubas and Hausas have. So, I still see a disconnect here between the problem and Biafra being a possible solution.

Name the last Igbo president.

Uche2nna:

U asking for us to stick to reality here and U go off making bogus claims, even before the war there were attempts to fix a leaking faucet and all those attempts came to nought.

Bogus claims? You still believe that the claim that NOT ALL IBOS support the BIAFRAN DREAM is BOGUS? Lol
I will laugh and leave it there!!
The war took place in 67. Nigeria was BARELY even a nation at that time( the house was not even completed at the time) and you think that is enough?
You claimed you had worked on the house for over 40 years, I ask when and what did you do that is MORE than other tribes have done in the same time towards building a better nation for all, or even for just your people?

Uche2nna:

Take out the Igbos and their clamour for independence from the equation, how much and well have Nigeria fared.  An indication of that is the upheaval in the Niger delta. How many times have the idea for resource control being mooted and how many times have that being smooched up.

The Ibos themselves are no better. So what is your point?

Uche2nna:

I remember Obj going around mouthing his mouth off in the North in 2002 just before the Sovereign National conference that the reason behind the civil war was fought was because of resource control as if the North needed any persuasion to vote against that. Take that for ur repairs!!!!

Huh??

Uche2nna:

The point is that I am not asking U to leave ur house and come live in my dream house. If U think it is a dream, then leave me to go live my dream. I am the one who is going to end up homeless , not you. So if U dont have some ulterior motives, why are U insisting I stay. I know U dont love me  

But dude . . . . I am glad you finally arrived at this spot because this is where my first question begins.  You claim you are leaving with your people but NOT ALL YOUR PEOPLE DESIRE TO LEAVE. What happens then?

Uche2nna:

Who the Bleep are U?   We dont need to prove shit to U, see me see trouble ooooo!!!! Take ur assessment and stick it.

So u are saying that if the British had not amalgamated us in 1914 , all the tribes in the geographical space called Nigeria would have gone extinct?  

But dude. . . . You did not have to prove anything to me, but you did anyways. Ibos have not proven themselves any better than the other tribes when it comes to government, economy etc.

Did not say that, just said it happened, we just have to deal with the after, not continue to fantasize about what could have been if things had not happened the way they did.

Kobojunkie:

Bogus claims? You still believe that the claim that NOT ALL IBOS support the BIAFRAN DREAM is BOGUS? Lol
I will laugh and leave it there!!
The war took place in 67. Nigeria was BARELY even a nation at that time( the house was not even completed at the time) and you think that is enough?
You claimed you had worked on the house for over 40 years, I ask when and what did you do that is MORE than other tribes have done in the same time towards building a better nation for all, or even for just your people?
The Ibos themselves are no better. So what is your point?Huh??

But dude . . . . I am glad you finally arrived at this spot because this is where my first question begins.  You claim you are leaving with your people but NOT ALL YOUR PEOPLE DESIRE TO LEAVE. What happens then?

But dude. . . . You did not have to prove anything to me, but you did anyways. Ibos have not proven themselves any better than the other tribes when it comes to government, economy etc.

Did not say that, just said it happened, we just have to deal with the after, not continue to fantasize about what could have been if things had not happened the way they did.

Perhaps you skipped my post so I'll type it again:

[size=20pt]What about Czechoslovakia and Serbia and Montenegro?[/size]