UFOs and the Complexity of Consciousness - John Alexander

The bottom line is these phenomena are far more complex than we ever imagined. Rather than
finding simplistic answers, we are not yet at the point of knowing the right questions to ask.

Presentation from the 2022 Ozark Mountain UFO Conference.

https://youtu.be/tn9UapIwiJc

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welcome back everybody we are going to start so if you're milling about come on in
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please are you ready for our keynote speaker
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[Applause] here's how this is going to go
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john alexander
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thank you i'm going to apologize up front this is going to be kind of like a fire hose i
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think i've got more than 10 pounds to get in the 5 pound bag so
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i've been investigating a story about a classified government program what you're saying is that
you
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were a psychic spy a jedi warrior you will be a psychic weapon feel it
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yeah we don't fight with guns we fight with our mind
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huh hi how you going
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you're a great speaker i always enjoy your conversations with people and sometimes
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you know i was watching these um they sound like i should probably should do a vanity search
just
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to see what's out there you know
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well one of the big problems of course is people hear what they want to hear not necessarily
what you said
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that's it and and people like us who think a lot you you make a whole lot series of
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connections but the other person maybe is not they haven't got the stuff in the center so they
don't quite know what you're
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getting
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oh that was a courtesy of david lovegrove who it was he's uh we're doing a zoom session
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he's in the gold coast in australia and put the rest of that together and then sent me a uh
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that piece that i can use i think most of you were here yesterday
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and you heard ray hernandez and we're going to be very compatible
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this i say is my bias all of these things go together i'll
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talk to many of them not the interspecies communications
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but yeah my bias is that these phenomena are all
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interrelated do presentations in a number of areas
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and say what's surprising to me is that
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how much people don't know about you know the other organizations who hope to
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get to the remote viewing that's joe mcmonagle number number one
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i'll start with what my position is going in and that is by definition ufos and our
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uaps must exist because that just means there's something out there that you don't understand
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what it is that the reality is absolutely overwhelming
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when they say there's no evidence and you hear that frequently we'll come to some of that then
i think the physical evidence is
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now certainly just overwhelming as i said my personal interest started back in 47.
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[Music] i start with uh when you're talking about ufos what do
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you mean and by that i mean we've got little balls of light and you've got hard craft that are miles
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across um i used to talk ray hernandez yesterday talked about coming downstairs
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and seeing something inside the song i use that as an example you know here it is inside
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his living room and the thousands and thousands of
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variations in between so if it's e.t there's a problem with too many different types of craft
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unless of course earth is on the bucket list of uh for the galaxies is where you got to
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go visit uh
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nick mentioned some of this last time the numbers vary but you know if the question is is there
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life out there the answer is yes and you don't have to believe in anything it's just pure
mathematics
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as the number of planets that might be out there the ones that can uh hold uh support life you
see 100 billion
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19 i think that's 34 zeros after it
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so when they talk about astronomic diesel no matter what you say there's big numbers and just
based on
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probabilities that life would be someplace out there is uh almost a certainty
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this is what he called what i call the spectrum of beliefs uh you got the debunkers down here i
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think many of you are familiar with them skeptics i have no problems with if they're true skeptics
many i don't know
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i'm willing to look at the evidence that your ufos exist and you get into crashes
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the alien re-engineered vehicles and aliens among us it's interesting because that roper pole
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20 that was a global poll so people say not only is e.t out there but here and
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potentially uh walking with us i'm up in this category myself
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now the pentagon says the pentagon says nothing it's a big stone building it's inhabited by
about
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29 000 people and they have a wide variety of uh personal belief systems
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and particularly when you get into these areas see there's good news is the you
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know the government doesn't know what the government knows there are people who are
interested but
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the bottom line no matter what you get is mostly they don't care now understand
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this is a very self-select group of people who have intense interests uh in the area of ufos and
uaps if you
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will that is not true in the general population in fact i think i don't know if i'll get
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to it but probably 70 of the people say they believe in ufos but when you get
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down to this intense interest you're down around maybe one percent
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here's a conundrum if you will because people believe that the government by and large is
incompetent
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in handling lots of things except for ufos for their omniscient and know
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everything not true now uh here are some of the studies
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and uh how it gets started i'm going to talk atp is the advanced theoretical physics that's a
program i ran i'm going
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to go through that but the key issue is
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none of these are top down driven i.e the people on high go out and say i want
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you to study this almost all of them have started from personal interest of the individual
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acquiring support or civilian inquiries we'll talk about a little bit about asap
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and that was james lekowski and this is another one where and by the way it did not start on
ufos it was
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based on a book on skid walk or ranch and was able to get things going and
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many of you know lou elisando and the atip program
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um nick in the last hour mentioned that dia had a big dump this week of 1500 pages
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if you want the short circuit to it this is a book that
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legoski and column and george put out most everything that's in the release
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and the documents that are out there are in this book and probably in a much more readable
form
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now one of the big issues is difference in personal interest versus institutional
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interest or institutional responsibility the point here is you got about four
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million workers in the u.s government and so if we use
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the gallup number of 12 percent of adults believe they've seen a ufo that means you've got 480
000 people
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who believe they've seen the ufo who are working in the government
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people do investigate but there's a huge difference between individuals interest
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in going out using the resources available to them even if they're government ones
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and the institution or the government itself being responsible
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for that task this has been one of my questions um
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there are 963 authorized flag grade slots ie generals and admirals
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since blue book i've extrapolated here that means there's been about a nine
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thousand flag officers so if an estimated uh 10 percent have seen that
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means you've got 950 who have had personal experiences so
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my question is not why do these programs exist but why aren't there more of them and my
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guess is there's probably a few that really haven't surfaced yet
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so i was one of those who started something independently
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had a day job i want to point out nobody came down and said study this was
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quite the other way around it was assigned eventually as the director of advanced system
concepts for the army
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laboratory command lots of high-tech but we put the group together and
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all the services the various intel agencies and we had some civilian
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representation from aerospace industry i think now most of people are
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understanding the clearances but they're all a top secret sei and it was literally an old boynette
we
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had to know who they were to have them come in now the theory was that
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there would be no written records because foia had just come into existence at that time the
freedom of
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information act didn't want people now that was violated we know
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because there are some reports other people did keep notes and have
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posted them in some areas but
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i guess my bottom line here is what we uh found was not what we expected
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basically it wasn't nobody was minding the store i mean everybody knew the history and it
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was interested but everybody said well i thought you did that no i thought you did that and that
was true across the
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agencies um now
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we'll cover some of these things
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this was our going in position was roswell was real something had happened
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people that got together looked at and said what the hell is that you know we can't figure this out
so if you remember
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the end of the is the lost ark where they're taking the ark and hiding it there at suitland
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uh say well we'll pull it out in 50 years and try to figure it out so that was our position now
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these are some of the actual briefing slides that i used
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at the time uh we did use the threat implication sdi
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i'm going to hit several times that was which i think but you know star wars is a strategic defense
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initiative uh again from a threat perspective worried about you know could things be
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hidden out there soviet this is still the bad old days that will pop up several times but that
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a breakthrough by somebody else would not be acceptable and if you notice these are very uh
similar to what atep
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came up with albeit you know 35 years later
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said whether they exist or not it doesn't matter we can't tell
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and and that does matter now content report came on and i think
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this is uh important and most people do not understand that the
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condon was right the question to condon was not are ufos real it is is this a
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threat and basically no direct threat like we haven't been invaded by e.t or something
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yet has yet to emerge however if you read it
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if the report's actually pretty good but there's a huge difference between what's in the body of
the report and the
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summary recommendations and conclusions unfortunately
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the scientific community thinks it was an in-depth study it wasn't the initial
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contract was a quarter of a million dollars which as you know even in those days uh by
pentagon funding was small and
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basically air force got what they wanted what they wanted was for just make this go away
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what was the demonstrated technology i'm going to take umbrage with what some of the things
nick said
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uh last time and that is that you've got to remember we're doing this in the 80s the reports as
you'll see go
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back in the 50s 60s 70s and where we're seeing these
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sorts of things great acceleration right angle terms and
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the issue here is if you had a living being the high g turn unless you can
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manipulate the environment that you could not survive that sort of thing stealth
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technology disappearing from radar and this the interest of
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damage he had eyewitness reports
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uh people i know the problems that i witnessed testimony but having said that there were some
very high quality and
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this is in the report as well and they had multiple witnesses from two to
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thousands of people the duration of from a few seconds of thing fleeting across
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the sky to hours and then recurrence um
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last night there was a young lady waitress up at the thing who had been at uh
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gulf breeze there's one that went on for months and months if not years
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and again the consistency that you were from very close to long distance away
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the physical effects were real we knew about all those you had weapon systems interrupted
communication stalling
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physical injuries we'll hit some of that because that's one of the key things in the report that's
just come out
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you know has been happening for a long time this is a interesting case that was
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studied uh in depth and this is 1957.
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and what happened is this was an early elect bird one of the electronic warfare
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birds it was this goes on for 90 minutes and they're flying around and they they're picked up you
have
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radars on board radars from the ground multiple radars of saying he's saying
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the ufo was up so all of a sudden it's down dropped thousands of feet almost instantly
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and it put out a signal that was uh intercepted
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and again there's huge studies that can be found on that
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particular case but that was one that certainly had our attention now satellites no
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satellites have seen them and this goes back to
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the eight this is 1984. again this is the battle this was classified for a long time what you have
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is a this is in geosynchronous orbit meaning it's moving with the earth
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staring at a position though there are the reasons for classification at that time was where it was
looking because it
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was looking into specific areas in the soviet union
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but as you know out in space it's very very cold so this thing is sitting out there
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and something came flying by uh
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see this line here and it gets darker because
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it's turning at that point going by the center and dropping down towards the
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earth as a dsb satellite you have these things happen they were
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not dismissed they were looking at it but nobody ever came up with what the world is a hot item
doing in a cold
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regime like that but the satellites have picked them up
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this is an initial example this is the airport at portland
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and these are heat sensors so you can see this is the exhaust of the planes going in and out
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this is over point barrel alaska and you go what in the world is that hot
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out over uh alaska and there were a number of these anomalies that were picked up again they
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were researched but nobody could ever figure out what it was uh i went to norad headquarters
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thought i'd be a smart ass and ask a question that's when it got to the q a
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and said well do you ever get things that make right angle turns accelerate looked me straight in
the eye and said
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yes you mean ufos would not carry it any further now i
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will say that this number is this goes back to the 1980s so the
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numbers that were in there the other thing that i found uh turns out that my boss
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when i was at the laboratory command two-star general he was air defense and one of the
things he had been a
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staff or a flight officer for the shift at norad headquarters and
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when i asked him about it i'm like no no no we never got anything like that when you talk to
people who actually
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work the desks and saw this stuff they say oh yeah we see these things all the time
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what they learned very quickly is it's not career enhancing to report it because it doesn't go any
place and you
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risk your security clearance the cash land room case came up and eventually i got
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actually involved in this i think many of you will know the case this was her
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betty cash and landrum were outside of houston texas um they're driving along and here's a
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ufo that's hovering there they get out of the car cash
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went around in front of the car cody the little boy got out and ran in
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front and then turned and jumped back in and landrum was standing behind the door
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what's happened is they got severely irradiated but
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it's interesting is that their injuries are directly commensurate with their story as to who would
have had
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radiation the most radiation and that some of you will know that betty cash
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eventually died from leukemia the reason this came up is there were
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helicopters that were seen there they sued the government that's who the air force uh
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for the injury and therefore said not ours those sounds like shadow helicopters
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they belong to the army so it came to the army and a friend of mine i was with the department of
army
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inspector general and they know my interest in these areas and got in and
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study this in detail uh there's no doubt that these people were injured severely
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but the the helicopters flat weren't there we checked every helicopter in the area
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we'll jump a bit ahead here to what happened that renders them for us
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because this is the same night as one of the main incidents at bentwaters
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the alaska case came up jal flight this is one we have a pilot co-pilot you
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have radars on board radars on the ground you have
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analysts confirming and when he says the other system elmendorf was confirming radar contact
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with both the plane and an object that was circulating there the other system was probably
cobra dane
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which was a system that was staring inside the soviet union at that time
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but the public point is you had things that uh you know very large
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is much larger than two aircraft carriers and this went on for quite a while
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uh the pilot came forward and talked about it and jl fired him for embarrassing the
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company there are a series of reports and i use
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these as examples as to what happened um again i was inspector general some
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friends of mine had been up on a tour or doing an inspection in alaska
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and they came across a whole series of cases and they were just in a drawer what happened is
we had eskimo scouts
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uh who were out they were part of the alaskan national guard
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and uh lots and lots of sightings this is just one of many but my point is when
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you're out seal hunting understanding the weather and weather conditions is you know that's
your life
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and you really understand the environment and they kept uh getting his reports the
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next one is an example of one of the the point was they were talking about these things
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going into the wind in a number of cases but the bigger issue was yeah they
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reported it and it went nowhere one of the things we had looked at in our study was okay if ufo
reports come in where do
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they go and it was they didn't mention gulf breeze
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this began in 86 lasted for four years uh this first scene recorded and some
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you'll know the story with the ed walters but there's also a lot of other witnesses without ed
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and what had happened is that he had taken pictures um there
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this went on nightly and the editor this is now defunct the
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gulf breeze sentinel but the editor got a copies of the picture and he's looking at him and said
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what the hell do i do with this you know i i'm not sure i believe in this and then his parents came
in and they were
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looking at the pictures and said where'd you get these and that's some guy gave to me i don't
know what the opportunity says but but that's what we saw
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and so he said you know if i can't trust my parents who could i trust and so they went ahead and
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published him and this became an extremely well-known case lots of analytics on the
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photographs as well the iranian case is really
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quite simple very complex this is one where
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from tehran they could see a ufo huge view of foes that as far as 70 miles away visible they set
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up two f-4s uh these were american planes and by the way this is in the shaw's day so just
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for contact with that gets to be uh really important that this major part of us
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was one of the pilots what's interesting is he went out uh chased it as he got in
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close he lost all camo then he said when he attempted to fire his ain't my missile now what's not
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clear here is whether he flipped the switch so it's now emanating like i'm going to shoot a
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missile or as if it was just that he thought that he was going to do it but when that did
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that the whatever it was shut him down all of the electronics and he turned and
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he banked away and after that when
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as he moved away the electronics came back up now the reason that was a particular interest
to me
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is i was running all of the tactical directed energy in the army systems i know how to turn you off
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i did not know and still don't how i can turn you off and turn you back on again yet that's exactly
what happened and he
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has now come out you actually he's made general he stayed after the shaw fell stayed
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with the iranian air force and has talked about it several
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times in fact to find programs with his material in it we had another case that was interesting
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was over brazil as the pilots flying along and all of a
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sudden he is surrounded he's a very experienced pilot
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and he's surrounded by ufos and talking to the ground and they sent up
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several sets of aircraft to try and intercept him
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and had no answer what was so significant about this is yes the incident happened
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and then the air minister went public and admitted it and said yep they were intercepted this
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happened um you know you did not find many
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countries where you were getting active reports at least at that time
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this is a famous case that many of you familiar with this was at malmstrom uh the morning of the
march 26th where
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you had uh six out of eight at oscar site six out of eight missiles were going uh
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offline they called back to sac headquarters and said can't talk to you now we got 10 out
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of 10 down and another one now normal meantime between failure you
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would expect two for the entire wing uh in a year
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and here you have a huge number offline at the same time so that was certainly
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interesting and you also had the security guards up above
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uh we they were talking directly to this uh lawn chuck control was underneath can't
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see it but the security guards are reporting gut things flying around
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and this as some of you will know uh bob salas who has talked about he actually wrote about
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this incident in the faded giant uh where he says a good stranger
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salus became a contactee
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after he left the air force but has been
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having experiences there in california where he lives but recommend that the case
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uh and it's interesting it was not just the uh us that was having the problem this was an
experience and the reason
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there's some blanks in there i literally lifted these off of old view grass if
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you will and just copied it and left it like that but this was a 82k these we found out
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about because of george knapp when he went to the uh still soviet union he brought out but
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the point was they had a ufo hovering above their site for several hours actually it
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was seen by hundreds of people and what was so startling is
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all of a sudden though it starts the launch controls start in and as they go
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they're going to launch and the launch control up says my god we're about to start world war
three and
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i can't stop it and this went on for a while then without explanation it uh just uh
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stopped and then uh colonel sokoloff was called in and they they literally disassembled
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the base trying to find you know what could possibly have happened we don't know
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but very scary uh this is a bentwater's case despite uh comments to the contrary i'm
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going to stay still stay with it that is one of the best cases because of the number of people
involved and this
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is one where you have a lot of physical uh evidence there's multiple sightings
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and chucking said actually some of this stuff probably went on for decades in in the area
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uh you have lots of high quality people um as you'll know jim penniston has come
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forward and talked about going out when i called him he says oh you mean the one i touched or
he tells he walked up and
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actually touched it there were lots of glyphs on the side which he wrote down and took uh made
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records of after the first incident they were having a party there was a buzz about
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ufos and whatnot and they were having a party uh end of year party
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and all of a sudden the provost marshal came running in and grabs chuck and says
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they're back he says who's back he says the ufos are back and he goes i'll take care of this you
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know we'll sort this out right now much to his chagrin
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says that he went out there and they had geiger counters and whatnot but he talks about the ufo
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seeing them in the trees hovering around and maneuvering away from them
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splitting into five pieces and then says two of them zipped overhead
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and shot laser beams at his feet very complex case
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and what was not known at the time is this was our most forward nuclear storage area
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one that had the weapons for europe uh another case that had come in that we
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were familiar with was larry coyne this is 73. this is one ufo's flying or i'm
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sorry helicopters flying along all of a sudden they see a ufo flying at them
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and as it gets close he puts the collective down meaning it's supposed to be going down and
which you can see
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here is they're picked up but it's almost like the tractor beam
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if you will picks it up and by the way and you had over time this is another one where the
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case got better and better not only did you have the people on board the helicopter
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but you then found there were ground witnesses that had seen this incident
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happen belgium was another one
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where it was reported now at the time de brauer was a lieutenant colonel and
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he went on to become the chief of staff of the air force but he again recorded encounter and
chasing him with our f-16s
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again you had high g 40 g turns uh 18
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kilometers an hour again no sonic boom um and could not take photos close but
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again high high quality cases this one was interesting that it come up
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with this was in um it had been taken in 71 what's interesting about this
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particular case is this is a mapping place and it's one of the few
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that's above the ufo shooting down and you can see the the lands and this has been
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thoroughly reviewed as is the light right and all of that and interestingly when they took the
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picture the it was not seen by the photographer this was when after that was developed that
they saw this one
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this is uh kind of one of the bad news is over uh b-50 uh this is part of blue book case
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say the disgraceful analysis they're flying out there the uf or the b-52 is coming back on a
mission and
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says we want to redirect you says what are you looking for and i say well you'll know it if you
see it
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and the crew flies over and here's his craft that's sitting
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glowing but down near the ground it says about 200 feet in diameter
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several hundred feet long glowing yellow craft and whatnot this has later been confirmed by air
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crews on the ground that saw this at welsh he had many angles and something came up and
chased the
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b-52 and showed up on their radar screen and uh they had the good sense to take a
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picture and actually see the the object as it was physically close
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i think the official thing from blue book was it was venus so don't don't think they flew over
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venus uh this is another uh case that was
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again really well researched but again a picture that was taken it was not taken of a ufo it was
just taken you
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know of the topography and when they developed it sure enough uh here's this
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ufo this is a blow up on it but pretty well known
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now what were our problems the problem was the signal-to-noise ratio what's real what's not
real
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uh the chain of custody there was certain physical samples you had the high strangeness too
tough to handle you
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had a lot of reluctant witnesses people said yeah i saw this but you know
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i am not going to go on the record um and of course lack of
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overall lack of funding so this was to that date kind of the
36:47
history uh i'm sure you're familiar with uh public sign and then grudge that led to uh the
36:55
robertson panel uh that was done by cia and basically they were saying now there's
37:02
nothing to this um we don't we don't want to upset the public
37:08
and this might be used as a way of recovering deception
37:14
so the the report came out blue book said no threat to national security
37:20
and with the national academy of science and the content says nothing has come of
37:25
this well they really didn't look and again if you read the conclusions versus some
37:31
of the cases that are in there are some very very good cases i got before a panel from the army
37:37
science board and they said you know we ought to continue that did not happen however
37:45
but late 67 we decided this transition up at this
37:51
point was totally ad hoc said we ought to look for some money sdi is the national place to go
37:57
uh they got about a five billion dollar budget it was the biggest defense program that there was
38:04
and so we i went with a group of folks from the various agencies
38:09
and talked to abramson it had been set up by a friend he did not know the topic
38:14
i went in and he discussed it initially it was like a deer caught in the headlights
38:21
and literally stopped the briefing about five minutes into it so wait wait who are you guys really
38:27
you know like he so he went back around the room and discussed the various agencies
38:33
and by the time we were done we had enough physical evidence there he said and the quote
was look i'm doing a lot
38:38
of hairy stuff and a lot of people were after his budget
38:44
but the point was she they said if i get caught doing this they're going to really nail my budget
38:50
uh and he did lose a billion dollars anyway which is a highly lucrative
38:56
financial issue corso many of you will know him we knew
39:01
we nids knew of course so long before the book came out checked out his story uh in depth
39:08
he was who he said he was he was where he said he was however the problem is when you get
into the
39:15
technical claims none of them are real we know integrated circuitry the lasers
39:21
and night vision explaining all of those came from the
39:27
material crashed material from roswell um i know night vision particularly well
39:34
because a guy that i had worked with was literally the director who built
39:39
night vision lab and so he was interested in unusual things we'd actually had a spoon bending
party in
39:45
his laboratory one of the worst we've done but as a side issue but you know i was able to go
39:51
in and talk to him about this and nothing is uh consistent with what uh corso came
39:58
up there in fact when the book came out i sent him a center a seven page letter
40:04
just one liners from simple things like it's a delphi maryland not adelphia to
40:10
know the cold war was not a cover for fighting e.t unfortunately i i met with him he had
40:17
had a heart attack i was down from my son's wedding we went up and spent the day and he
said
40:23
yeah i needed to do write another book and correct the mistakes unfortunately just a few days
later had
40:29
the second fatal heart attack one of my key sources i talk about is
40:37
dean judd close personal friend and he had been
40:43
the chief scientist for sdi
40:49
he was later the nio for science technology this is the point where all intelligence comes
together on s t
40:56
and we served on various boards together and the point was
41:02
he knew space architecture is inside out and no e.t was not
41:08
ufos not on their agenda at all here are some of the folks tell her
41:13
personal friend if you know him that the father hydrogen bomb that's hal put off
41:21
uh maybe this was at my my house in santa fe we we had talked to him about it
41:28
interestingly was interested he did not say this is nonsense but
41:33
he was interested in certain that liked the cash landrum case because of radiation um also had
with ben rich we went to
41:41
these guys because we said if five people are involved in
41:47
fact from roswell that teller would have been one of them and again i hit the director deputy
41:53
director of all those uh three-letter agencies and my confidence level is pretty high
42:00
there's thousands of uh pilot observation you're familiar with
42:05
those bill coleman was an interesting guy
42:11
he was the former chief of public affairs he's the one who put out
42:17
the public releases on blue book and he was interviewed to get the job he had to be
42:24
interviewed by the secretary of the air force and the issue of blue book came up at the time and
he says look i am not
42:31
unbiased and he had had a phenomenal personal uh
42:36
experience where uh coming back from squadron it had two squadrons
42:42
at greenville south carolina was flying back it flown down towards miami to pick up
42:48
there were tesla angle flight went up to fort lauderdale turned west again from when they did
42:54
he's sitting in a seat all of a sudden he sees this ufo up above him
42:59
and then they're watching it he takes over the plane ufo is zipping down to the ground
43:06
is flipping along he says i'm an old farm boy and this thing is you can see the circle
43:13
going across the ground it's low enough that it's kicking up dust and they
43:18
chased it and couldn't find it he later worked for jack webb if you
43:26
know the jack webb series on ufos
43:32
unfortunately the really bad news was he had he's had over a hundred cases there were high
strangeness high reliability
43:40
and he kept saying yeah i'm going to put them out and unfortunately
43:45
i'd like too many of these things have happened this is lou and me
43:50
68. so this is a comparison if you will
43:55
between a study that i ran early and that uh
44:00
asap and atim and basically the point is
44:06
almost everything's the same very modest funding uh we had no institutional interest they
44:13
had they got limited one and then you know the bottom line is no solutions
44:20
here are some of this is the five of observables they talk about from uh atep
44:27
it says uh anti-gravity no visible means of propulsion uh sudden acceleration uh
44:35
hyper velocity without a signature low observability and
44:41
transmedium travel meaning in and out of the water
44:47
etc i put the milt torres case this one actually uh nick was one that helped
44:54
release this but this is a case of f-86 1957 over lakin heath
45:02
he is they're set off and comes to intercept us something and he's
45:08
there's the thing the the size of an aircraft cover uh carrier hovered uh over the uk
45:15
and uh when he went to ripple his missiles this thing just the radar circle was in two sweeps it
45:23
was off the screen 250 miles so we're talking mach 500
45:29
and in 1957 so if you're thinking that you know somebody's hitting this it's foreign technology
45:36
the answer is not a chance this disclosure has happened and happened and i don't know here
are all
45:43
of the or many of the senior people you know from uh
45:48
presidents to uh you know gorbachev various uh urbers
45:55
various senior military people and the question is what does it take to be believed uh more
recently this is the
46:03
one you many of you may have seen with since uh uh obama on a show saying yep we're
46:10
getting these things here are the countries that have
46:16
made the disclosures and the point is they said oh you know this is going to destroy humanity
it's
46:22
going to destroy religion and what is the global response this is pretty much the way it's been
46:30
as opposed to
46:36
you do have lots and lots of individuals but as a society not so much
46:43
now this was really interesting to me is that in 47 you had nathan training put
46:49
out a memo and this is supposedly right after roswell
46:55
if you look at the date and this is classified at that time and his point is this phenomenon is real
47:04
but there is absolutely no mention and he's talking you know to the air force that says this
47:10
is um you know we need to take this thing seriously and it's of interest to me
47:18
there's nothing in there the roswell area so this is a problem i
47:24
think with the community here because they refuse to take yes for an answer
47:30
and also i keep saying this is the biggest thing on the paradigm shift
47:35
you know confirmation of what you already believe is not a paradigm shift
47:41
you know they're real and no that doesn't change everything this is here
47:48
this i think is the bottom line on this one to most people ufos are not important they aren't a
small subset of
47:55
the population and and what we tend to not understand is how large institutions work
48:02
they prioritize to save themselves retaining power golden influence who he who has the gold
48:09
makes rules and my point here is
48:16
we would have there is no department of good ideas and all of them that have money they have
things that they have to
48:23
work against or they have requirements based we'll look at this very quickly i did
48:29
this for the the ssc society for scientific exploration has already been required
48:35
but i guess the key thing here is that the requirement was slipped into
48:41
the covid relief bills this was not something that was so outstanding that
48:46
the government says we've got to do this this was in because covid relief was going to get
passed and this was a way
48:53
to get around that this is not a big group the people involved you had a
49:00
gs-15 who was the um ahead of it it was written by two
49:06
staffers all of whom had other day jobs not particularly assigned
49:12
these are the things that participated and some of them were very reluctant to
49:17
share data these were the key people lou and chris mellon got it out harry
49:24
reid harry reid's important because of george knapp that george had been feeding him and
bringing him along for
49:30
years stevens actually had his own ufo sighting
49:36
i'm not sure what daniel annoyed with him and then rubio warner
49:42
got it inserted into the report that said you've got to come back key findings i'm sure you're
familiar
49:48
with this i think the most important issue though is that 80 of them are multiple sensor
49:54
reports the other thing that i found interesting is when you look at the the u.s navy in
50:01
2019 uh had set up a mechanism to report this
50:06
the air force in november 2020 in other words there's already a requirement coming down the
pike that they're going
50:12
to have to respond to and they finally set up a reporting mechanism
50:18
not something i necessarily wanted to do key findings you're familiar with i
50:24
think now the key issues in the report is a it is not
50:30
in depth historically it only started the only reviewed cases from 2004
50:36
the high quality reporting the did say hey these are physical objects we've got sensor systems
that
50:43
are definitely picking them up and they do pose a flight safety risk
50:49
and the intent and nature is unknown these are familiar these are the the key
50:55
videos uh this one was interesting because i'll
51:00
continue in a minute but talking about you know this was the one that he reported this is
51:07
picked up by george knapp the photo was taken in latvia in 1968
51:13
what's not mentioned in the report is equally interesting
51:19
that what they don't admit is you know what they don't know and that there's a high probability
51:25
that's of non-human uh origin this is just sort of glossed over
51:30
the trans-medium observations are not reported this was a video you probably saw where
51:37
it goes down into the water and that you also had a high-speed
51:44
maneuvers subsurface and interestingly to me having
51:49
my second career at the los alamos national laboratory doe is not involved
51:56
listed as any of the agencies involved and they're the guys who own the nukes
52:01
and the other thing this really gets to be key is that
52:06
non-uap investigation now what nick was saying is not all ufos are not all ufo related
52:15
that's true in fact that's how it got started you probably saw the skeptics that come
52:21
up who [Music] nick west is a perennial that shows up
52:27
neil phil and they kept saying i wish i saw better better videos
52:34
you know the point is the videos are not the evidence the videos are the
52:39
supporting documentation of all of the things that are involved
52:44
and i think i said i just it's definitely not
52:50
russian or chinese because this is the case that you know whoever had this had mach 500
52:59
you know half a century ago and we've just admitted to what uh
53:06
mach 5 that uh in the last couple of weeks and mentioning that china had done that as
53:15
heretical there have been armed interactions
53:20
between them this is the one milton torres i said was
53:27
went to ripple the same thing the aim nine missiles shut him down uh this is another one
53:33
this was uh over peru and huetos has come forward and talked
53:38
about it and said they were fired and sword was like he went and just sucked up the bullets as
they came in and then
53:44
went zipping off after that this is the memo
53:54
this is all services must report but remember what they said is an interaction with training it's
kind of limited it's not
54:01
the umbrella that everything uh that you potentially see out there
54:06
says when you have interference with the military training
54:13
so this was kind of what i call a plus and a minus yeah the overall rating was a nothing
54:19
burger uh it really took it seriously it's better better than that help to reduce the stigma of
reporting and
54:26
that's really pretty critical um but you know they get they say lack
54:32
of hard data that's just not true and i think the public kind of lost
54:37
loses confidence when you do that threat issue gets up there now why
54:44
should the u.s government be involved now one of the things they do bring are advanced
54:49
sensors they also got brain power from laboratory highly credible witnesses
54:55
but you know downside of that is this classification issue that they will
55:01
almost always take and the other is institutional risk avoidance
55:06
that the institutions do not want to be on the
55:11
limb they don't like to get questions they don't know the answer to and have a low probability of
finding
55:18
the answer now there are i want to point out legitimate
55:25
uh reasons for security and classification and that has to do with the operational parameters of
the sensor
55:31
systems that you're using in other words you don't want to tell their adversary just how good
your
55:37
sensors are what they can see and what they can't see so classifying that
55:42
does make sense why would they not involve i say the the
55:47
risk of embarrassment is really pretty high i think the probability of success
55:52
is very low and the other is not to be discounted we've seen this in other programs as
55:59
well that says yeah this is real but this is demonic we ought not be involved
56:06
therefore i took this from leslie keynes saying i
56:11
thought it was kind of interesting they said the objective of the program is to understand the
nature of reality
56:18
and you know okay is that a suitable function for the
56:23
department of defense this is i think the political
56:29
ramifications i picked rubio because he's safe he was just re-elected he's
56:34
not up until 66. this is an actual sign in his election that he had voted
56:42
against child care for family now you want to go back and say i'm not
56:47
going to fund sick children but i'm going to fund hunting werewolves and by the way that's that's
where the
56:54
uh asap program started it was with creepy crawlers up at skinwalker
57:01
so i think the political ramifications of compared to what and you know if
57:07
you're going to fund this what are you not going to find all of this is zero sum
57:12
uh this is a personal experience and i'm going to start jumping through some of the others
57:18
highly recommend the chris bledsoe case what happened was in
57:23
some of you may have heard this january 207 he goes down on the river
57:29
uh have a big fire they're going fishing uh he goes back
57:34
up up the hill and then he when he comes back down because he went up at twilight and when
57:40
he comes back down it's 11 o'clock the fire is almost burned out chris jr is
57:46
hiding uh there's uh multiple ufos have been seen in the area
57:53
that that he describes i can go literally do hours just on this
57:59
particular case when he's back at his house and he has a big had a five
58:06
acre yard at that time um he sees a creature outside he goes
58:12
out and it starts chasing him he runs away and finally turns and says okay you got
58:19
me and so you got a telepathic message that says you don't understand we're here to
58:24
help about noon the next day he's sitting there and he goes gee i haven't taken my
58:30
medicine and he had had serious crohn's disease for 12 years
58:37
and since the time of this incident he's not had to take medicine again now he films orbs all the
58:44
time i mean i get almost weekly new orb photography that he gets
58:52
this is where we were there what was most interesting is we had gone down to the river where
the initial
58:59
sight had come back up and he and i were leaning against the car his daughter
59:05
emily and victoria were in inside the car and he's pointing out here's where this
59:10
happened and that and all of a sudden he goes oh i think they're here
59:16
and since within 15 seconds and certainly no more than that this thing pops into view
59:22
and goes zipping off and so it was the temporal relationship between him saying
59:27
oh i think they're here and the event that i actually saw that really got my
59:32
attention uh he's got a tree in the backyard that's kind of interesting this is
59:38
literally a burning tree amazingly caught fire from the inside this is not that this is a picture of this
taken
59:46
this smoke is not there uh and yet shows up on films all the
59:51
time and also there's a lot of healing that takes place around that
59:57
tree as well do come down against the extraterrestrial hypothesis and not it's
1:00:04
not because the events don't occur it's because it's just too simple a
1:00:09
solution and the point is that there have been reports of interactions between humans
1:00:14
and sentient non-humans throughout the entirety of human history
1:00:19
did know john mack and we basically agreed he had a lot more
1:00:25
complex thought thinking on this than most people realize et is not required says throughout
1:00:32
history i'm gonna have to go really fast this of course is one of the things that you see a lot of
1:00:42
but the sex with the city of beings was first reported uh you know almost 5 000
1:00:48
years ago and it has been reported throughout uh human history uh same with sleep paralysis
and humans
1:00:58
the christian stories of the sons of god and the daughters of men
1:01:04
greek mythology you had zeus had many human girlfriends roman mythology
1:01:10
triton was son of neptune to capturing a human female
1:01:16
north mythology rip van winkley sienna and as well as
1:01:23
french and it's actually appears in the quran
1:01:29
other sentient beings have used to be stationed a long time in hawaii the menehune do things
1:01:36
finn folk who orkney island that steals mortals
1:01:41
chinese mythology that interaction between humans again hindu
1:01:47
with sentient beings lord vishnu buddhists
1:01:53
you have lots of interactions between saint beings and humans
1:01:58
and the point here is we got an awful lot of them and this again is like the number of the
1:02:04
vehicles that come in this becomes a problematic and it's interesting to me
1:02:10
that they travel across the galaxy and then they come to earth and then they subdivide earth as
to you know where
1:02:17
these different groupings are going to go now the question is why aren't some of
1:02:24
these others described as e.t skin walker
1:02:30
i was with bob the day that he bought the skinwalker ranch was the first one from nids to spend
the
1:02:37
night there it's interesting i was in the skinwalker 2.
1:02:42
in fact they they kept showing us love it that we taped for more than an hour as was done by
zoom and you kept hearing
1:02:49
says but it's a portal you know that was a tiny thing that kept
1:02:54
reappearing very very strange things here i was up back up recently i think i will be they
1:03:02
would take me for skinwalker 3 which i think is starting uh next month
1:03:08
but got to tell you that very very strange incidents uh happened there it
1:03:13
was after looking at that that i came up with the precognitive sentient phenomena not what's in
your paper somehow that
1:03:20
became precognitive sentiment
1:03:25
it was corrected on online but the point is that it whatever it is i don't know
1:03:31
how to describe it seemed to be in control of whatever was happening at the ranch
1:03:38
it knew not only what was going to be presented but how we were going to respond to the
1:03:44
incident before that happened and
1:03:49
for us it seemed to be you know totally unpredictable and the playfulness of uh
1:03:58
you know like i said just exasperating trying to figure out what it was we had uh camera
advanced things that were on
1:04:05
camera things that were not on camera that should have been the cattle ventilation or the calf
was
1:04:11
one of the key ones that i was there for uh terry was the rancher went out it was i
1:04:18
think maybe but it was calving season and he went out and as the broad air hits his flat there's
this uh
1:04:26
room and he finds a newborn calf and he what they do is they tag it and weigh a tag
1:04:33
is to identify it to the mother weighed it went on across she found another
1:04:38
calf tag it waited he came back a calf one's dead not only is it dead it's uh
1:04:45
eviscerated and exsanguinated almost all of the physical stuff in the body is
1:04:50
gone and how that could have happened in broad daylight uh and we looked at the
1:04:56
way various predators kill and that he just cannot explain
1:05:02
and there was only one of many phenomena again if you haven't read a
1:05:08
hunt for the skinwalker i recommend that book because they did a really good job of describing
the various things in the
1:05:14
ranch but this notion of the trickster
1:05:20
is kind of ubiquitous it happens say i use local cocoa belly pan
1:05:26
but the main point was that whatever this it is it was definitely driving the
1:05:32
train we were not it seemed to be a step ahead
1:05:39
why is it that we expect government to investigate ufos but not
1:05:44
claims of miracles so we do not have an expectation that
1:05:50
the government is going to study things that confirm your belief
1:05:55
systems and i'm going to skip through this
1:06:00
section this is what would happen uh
1:06:06
this is one you know if really bad things happen you know sigourney or
1:06:12
tom or will are not going to come down and save us
1:06:20
and my point is if if e.t wants to interact with humans they certainly
1:06:25
don't need humans or biology to do it if they understand biola or physics i think they
1:06:32
understand biology and so they don't need things and my point has been that no free range
1:06:38
humans that are kind of pesky and easier to do that and now i don't think
1:06:44
we have a war with the e.t as some are suggesting
1:06:51
this is one of the emerging themes however those that maybe they did some genetic
manipulation
1:06:57
back sometime in the distant past heard the issue on religion come up
1:07:05
my wife had actually done a survey for bob bigelow this was before nids was
1:07:10
formed and they reviewed a thousand clergy at a
1:07:16
very high response rate and this was the uh bottom line was no
1:07:21
big deal we've been through transitions before we'll handle this one again i thought the jesuits
were interesting
1:07:28
they said ah more converts but uh the point was that overall the
1:07:37
we did only uh protestant catholic and jewish because
1:07:43
the other subgroups were statistically not significant in the u.s to do it with this but the
1:07:49
bottom line is it was not the catastrophe that people
1:07:55
mentioned or anticipated and a lot of people say well why
1:08:01
you know if e.t aren't they more spiritually involved well if you look at what's happened to
1:08:06
us as we become more technologically evolved attendance has steadily decreased in the
1:08:14
various churches this is eagle-centrism we keep thinking
1:08:19
that we always talk about coming and landing on the white house lawn and you go yeah but
we're one of uh
1:08:27
about 195 countries four percent of the population of the world uh what makes
1:08:32
you think e.t would necessarily come here this i'm going to go through very fast
1:08:38
but uh because i keep hearing up if the other the others are here well if they did they rode in on
the four horsemen of
1:08:45
the apocalypse not here to help they haven't helped with endemic poverty uh
1:08:50
food shortages looks like we're headed for more now thanks to war
1:08:57
you know there is kind of thing uh this is
1:09:03
only key in has got to do with the uh where the dod is going to put
1:09:10
its resources remember we had the global war on terror for two decades
1:09:16
this is something i'll bet you don't know i was kind of surprised at the number yeah we had
1:09:23
2 000 almost uh 2 300
1:09:29
military killed u.s contractors or higher one of the things they have done is
1:09:35
hidden the uh extent of involvement in these
1:09:41
wars and of course you had almost a million people killed overall
1:09:48
in g-1 but this is one way of thinking on the troops that were involved in the
1:09:54
global war on terror were many of them more than three times as long as anybody
1:10:00
in world war ii so the point was where do you think the priority should go this is a ranger
1:10:08
returning after he's in the casket unfortunately after his 14th combat tour asking a phenomenal
1:10:17
a lot of those folks now i'm going to go into uh
1:10:23
related issues this is ones that ray had talked about let me start with
1:10:31
death uh she'd know that uh if anybody's in the medical committee most will know
1:10:37
kubler-ross uh she was the head of my doctoral committee she's the one who came up with the
five stages of death
1:10:44
and she was with raymond moody and creating the near-death or understanding and first to
1:10:51
speak about particularly as doctors of near-death experience
1:10:56
emphasize there's a huge difference between death and dying dying can be a pretty nasty
painful
1:11:03
process uh but what's the significance of indies you usually start with a precipitating
1:11:10
event accident illness something of that nature talk about some form of separation i.e the body
1:11:17
coming up out of the body the initial response is usually quite peace peaceful
1:11:24
some talk about encounters with spiritual beings and then the return
1:11:30
and the aftermath not what was anticipated
1:11:35
now the problem with near-death experiences most of the time we do not know
1:11:40
what the state of the individual was whether they were actually close to death or not many were
accidents or
1:11:46
people who had heart attacks or whatnot however there are a few cases that are in the
1:11:54
phenomenal range pam reynolds is one of those she was a young mother had aneurysm deep
in the
1:12:01
brain they were going to operate this probability of survival was 50 percent but because she had
young
1:12:08
children they were going to take it and the point here is to do this
1:12:13
they uh stopped stopped the heart stopped respiration and had no cortical electric electrical
1:12:21
activity in the brain and drained all of the blood out and it was being pumped
1:12:27
someplace else the point is when you have you know no
1:12:33
uh respiration heartbeat or electrical activity in the brain that's called death
1:12:41
so what happened is she was out of her body so she was anesthetized in another room
1:12:47
brought into the chamber and was able to provide lots and lots of details
1:12:53
one of them that she mentioned was that they opened her head with an electric toothbrush
1:12:59
and mike sabaum who's a cardiologist who took this case and that doesn't make any sense at
all but she describes the way
1:13:06
this yeah it was like you know the nails on a chalkboard so that that was what the experience uh
1:13:14
sounded like and uh so when he he went and he actually interviewed with the uh
1:13:22
neurophysiologist who had done this and he said yeah everybody talks about that sound it's
1:13:27
something you've just gotta really get used to but she was able to describe
1:13:33
the state where everybody was standing and what they were doing and
1:13:38
mentioned that they were playing hotel california which he thought was not very appropriate
because the lions go you can
1:13:45
check in but you can never check out and uh
1:13:51
that she went off and and met uh relatives there but the point is the ease took place she is
thoroughly
1:13:58
instrumented and one of the few cases we did that uh this is uh
1:14:03
i throw uh parvy in just because there are others there are a few of them where
1:14:09
the individuals are totally instrumented at the time so we do know that they are
1:14:15
physically uh close to death and uh he's one who described this and
1:14:20
he said he was an anesthesiologist but he says changed his life he says he was argent
materialist
1:14:27
before this happened and came back and says whoops got this all wrong i recommend any of
1:14:33
these books on him now yesterday ray mentioned ebbett
1:14:39
we'll say evan is a friend of mine he is not a relative in fact he was
1:14:47
adopted at birth but he didn't know who his both birth parents were
1:14:54
what's key here this guy was a neurosurgeon for 25 years and actually
1:14:59
taught at harvard medical school he had grand negative meningitis he was out for
1:15:05
uh seven days and he had the core experience as he says he knows from his training as a
1:15:12
neurophysiologist brain could not have been functioning at that time
1:15:17
yet did meet angelic beings but the proof of heaven was the first
1:15:22
book that he wrote he's written some map of heaven a couple others after that
1:15:29
what was interesting is while he was out he talks about communicating with god
1:15:34
understanding of everything and he was guided by a female butterfly
1:15:41
and uh what he knew that he had other biological
1:15:46
uh siblings but had never met any of them and so after he returns he comes back
1:15:55
and he he agrees to me to the biological it turns out that his mother and father
1:16:00
had given him up for adoption later married and had these other children
1:16:05
and so he has never met them and he finds the picture
1:16:10
and it turns out that his sister one of the biological sister was
1:16:16
deceased and he says this was his guide during the week that he was out
1:16:25
another case that i point to that i think is so strong by the way there are millions of cases now
1:16:31
but mary neal she wrote to heaven back what's he hear she's another medical doctors they're
1:16:38
kayaking she's the last going as they're in northern chile
1:16:45
it goes over this uh waterfall and she went the wrong way
1:16:50
that was forced choice the kayak gets stuck
1:16:56
underwater and but there's a release you know your legs are like this is released but the water
that's coming
1:17:03
over is so strong that she can't reach it uh and she eventually comes out of the
1:17:10
kayak by her legs breaking and bending this way you know not like
1:17:17
bending back and you see pictures of the what was going on uh there's so many miracles that
are attached to this one
1:17:23
it's just absolutely amazing but we know that she was underwater minimum
1:17:28
15 minutes we believe it's more than 30 minutes you cannot hold your breath that
1:17:34
long a good question on the water's cold it's not that cold what's interesting is they find the
1:17:40
bodies they bring her back go over again this is a remote remote
1:17:45
area two guys show up they put her on the character they don't know who they are
1:17:51
they go out and put her in the waiting ambulance there are no ambulances in this area of
1:17:58
chile at all and yet here's one something you know waiting to uh pick her up the other
1:18:05
thing that happened you know
1:18:10
one of the things that happened she heard what no mother ever wants to hear and that is that
your son she had four
1:18:16
children young children your son is going to die at 18. and sure enough on his 18th birthday
1:18:23
he's out of skateboarding away there and the car zigged uh when it needed to
1:18:29
zag it went in and you know it actually did so the point is you got
1:18:35
all of these physical things that went on as well as in accurate information of
1:18:41
future events uh that happened there millions of cases but this is one that i
1:18:48
find most compelling so one of the things we've heard
1:18:53
repeatedly here i think is this alteration of time and space itself
1:18:59
and this is the difference between ndes i think is the impact i used to be the
1:19:05
president of ions the the international association for near-death
1:19:11
studies had no staff so we would get letters and answer them i don't know how many people i
got them for you know
1:19:19
it happened you know decades ago but it was like yesterday and one of the things
1:19:24
that don't doesn't happen is that the degradation like most memories where they kind of fade at
the
1:19:31
point over time yeah the memories don't pay changes in
1:19:37
belief system the studies have been done uh that they tend to be uh
1:19:42
you know more spiritual not necessarily religious it changes their outlook and behaviors
1:19:49
and one of the biggies of course is no longer fear death
1:19:54
many feel they have mission i'll talk about a few of these issues
1:19:59
that children and and the congenitally blind which are kind of interesting and the
1:20:06
after effects one of the things we thought of course we thought was that if andy occurred it
happened in a
1:20:12
very short period of time minutes or maybe seconds
1:20:18
and yet incidents went on it turned out the people had psychic capabilities
1:20:24
tended to be precognitive and many of them were psychokinetic in other words they said i can't
be around sensitive
1:20:30
electronics i can't wear sensitive watches and whatnot so those were
1:20:35
unanticipated side effects this is we were with
1:20:41
[Music] melvin morris who did the study with
1:20:46
children and what's interesting is that some of these children were so young at the time of the
1:20:52
incident you had to wait they were pre-verbal so you had to wait until they had the
1:20:58
capability to speak and even describe what was going on but we know that they were not
contaminated by watching tv
1:21:05
programs why not his stuff has been done very early before this became popular on
1:21:13
tv ken did a most interesting study
1:21:18
and that was with people who were congenitally blind yeah during their nde auto body
1:21:24
and being able to see and reporting back accurately
1:21:32
uh this is one of my favorite cases there's one that that i took uh i think he was a
1:21:40
cobra pilot uh what i'm going to try the cobras are gunships
1:21:45
you have a pilot and a copilot is in front so you're sitting in tandem
1:21:53
this is a topography of the kind of stuff they were looking at over vietnam
1:21:59
what happened is that they were flying alone which is unusual
1:22:05
because normally you flew at least in pairs but their gunship was out screwing around they
shouldn't have been
1:22:11
and they get raked by a 51 caliber uh big bullet okay
1:22:17
and it hits the plate uh next to his leg alongside the helicopter and he breaks
1:22:23
his leg it shoots away the controls
1:22:28
and as they're crashing and going down they look out and they see this
1:22:34
fire support base about yeah military trump click and a half uh
1:22:39
out in in front of them uh so what happened is
1:22:46
that they crash and there's there's a tiny clearing in the
1:22:52
jungle and they go nose up and bring it in they can't land there but they're
1:22:58
going to have a controlled crash where the the boom takes up the shock as it goes in
1:23:05
what's important there is until they're done because the blade is still turning you don't know what
the orientation of
1:23:12
the helicopter is going to be but fire starts jim's on fire literally
1:23:20
and uh all of a sudden he pops out of his body and he's floating above them uh
1:23:27
looking down and he says i need to get help for them it wasn't like a personal thing
1:23:33
and he says he claims it was male i asked why male he doesn't always the hooded figure is
1:23:39
there so don't you know it says don't you know what he says you're not dead yet
1:23:45
and about that time he pops up and the back seat had gotten out of the
1:23:50
helicopter and was running off into the jungle and he looked back and he saw jim move
1:23:56
and he ran back and drug him out but again his legs broken and he's been severely burned
1:24:03
literally literally burned his face off in this process and they pick him up
1:24:10
and they they hide him and and jim is saying look i've been up above and if you go off the nose
of the
1:24:17
helicopter you go in that direction click and a half there's a friendly fire support base
1:24:23
and the pilot saying no no i saw the base it's off this way and jim says no it's this way and he
says he's not in a
1:24:29
position to argue so he hires uh and the pilot takes off into
1:24:34
trackless uh jungle um so what happens is bad guys sweep
1:24:42
through i guess that's relative but then the friendly face comes in and they find jimmy who's
1:24:48
hidden there and the reason i have the uh jungle penetrator this is the only case
1:24:55
that i know of where this guy physically replicates being out of the body but now in the body so
but
1:25:02
he's now in his body he gets picked up and he looks down and sure enough here's the
orientation of the helicopter
1:25:10
the friendly base is this way pilot's gone off that way and before he passes
1:25:15
out he says you know pilots going out here go find him which they
1:25:21
do so the pilot was rescued from it so the point here is that uh
1:25:27
this is one where it was definitely life-saving it's the only one that i have where you have
somebody you know
1:25:33
when you talk about being up above your body and looking down well now you've had the
physical chance to repeat that
1:25:42
it was interesting we were at walter reed we had a friend here from medical community and we
had a psychologist was
1:25:49
there who was saying oh you know this is just a dissociative state
1:25:55
and jim looked at him you can call it what you want i was dead
1:26:01
so some other cases that i had one was a sergeant major
1:26:06
a good friend of mine who uh he was severely injured in vietnam
1:26:13
goes to the hospital and there he goes in to operate they've got to do repair on his leg and
instead the
1:26:20
doctors go off into another room that's close by and they'd say well do we amputate or
1:26:26
not and george is out of his body but in there listening to him and he's really pissed
1:26:32
he says nobody has discussed amputation up to this point
1:26:39
and so they have to opted not to and um when he came back he confronted
1:26:44
them on and says what is it because this did not take place next to the operator in the operating
1:26:50
chamber it was in another room they're going like you can't possibly know that
1:26:55
another one was a ch-47 pilot they were coming down a chinese claymore
1:27:01
went up blew the helicopter up and came crashing down and he was crushed inside it
1:27:09
his stuff that was uh was different was he was sort of given a choice and said look you need to
go back you're
1:27:15
going to be a single parent uh and you know your kids are gonna need
1:27:20
you you know this made no sense to him at the time sure enough came back got divorced
ended up
1:27:27
as a single parent the other one here
1:27:33
was a young lady i met in new york it was it was a medical basket case
1:27:39
uh went in to the hospital and died and so they took her and put her on the
1:27:45
gurney and wheeled her down to the morgue whereupon she woke up and started doing
1:27:51
ballet what was interesting about that is she was a paraplegic
1:27:56
before the incident so you uh i know ray had talked about
1:28:03
some of the healings that take place there are some who talk about negative
1:28:08
experiences the ones i talk to usually yes yeah everything was cool out there but i
1:28:13
got back in my body and it really hurt there are a few who talk about hell's
1:28:19
visions that's very low percentage and one of the perceptions is well if i
1:28:24
saw hell that i must be a bad person so i need to change the others in what i've called negative
1:28:32
is just utter other darkness so what's happening
1:28:39
uh ray moody my university of heaven he wrote glimpses of eternity
1:28:45
and what's happening now we're getting on multiple witnesses and the whole thing called
shared death experiences
1:28:52
where people are accompanying on the trip i'll talk to some of those
1:29:01
this is a phenomenal case jeff olsen
1:29:06
was driving up from st george utah apparently went to sleep and rolled his
1:29:13
car had two children with him one survived and one did not and his
1:29:21
wife who was with him at the time did not uh he said he rolled seven or eight
1:29:27
times i mean this is a really horrendous action well it's highway you know i-15 speeds i think the
speed limits are at
1:29:35
80 so if you're even close it's not but he gets picked up
1:29:41
and gets sent to the initial hospital then trauma hawked up to
1:29:47
salt lake city and when he comes in jeff o'driscoll
1:29:53
is the doctor who comes in and said he looked at him and i'm not going to see that guy again
1:30:00
and went off to eat then he comes back and he runs into jeff olson's wife
1:30:08
who was not incarnate and as uh going
1:30:13
i've asked him about it he said he has seen this on a number it's kind of unusual for
1:30:19
doctors to say yeah i've seen people get up out of their body and go off but
1:30:24
for o'driscoll it's been several times they've written books on this and it's
1:30:30
just an amazing case of shared death experience and that
1:30:35
seems to be you know kind of what the next step in nde research is going to be
1:30:44
again ray raymond wrote about this in reunions
1:30:49
there's something called a psychomantium that he's been working with and that is where you sit
in a room and
1:30:56
they they have a low light and a mirror that's there
1:31:01
and they talk about spirits coming in and talking in fact he talks about in reunions that he was
1:31:09
there and had his mother walk in who was not
1:31:14
incarnate had left and said no touching allowed but you know physical
1:31:21
interaction between the spiritual form and
1:31:27
those incarnate uh you hear a lot of reasons why it's
1:31:33
going to be halluciation is drug induced well obviously that's drug induced goes out with all of
the accidents that have
1:31:40
occurred noxia is a key one it's uh oxygen deprivation
1:31:46
but the the ones who've been instrumented that no that's not the thing it's not an illusion
1:31:52
and basically all of the simple explanation it's a butt butt butt uh just don't uh don't seem to hold
up
1:32:00
um many of you will know bob monroe and hemisink and
1:32:06
there are lots of similarities between the out of body experience and
1:32:12
near-death i'd say one of the major differences is the intensity of the experience and
remembering it
1:32:19
and again i used to get i think if we were to name it again one of the problems we have with all
these
1:32:24
phenomenas we start naming them early but i would get letters again in ions
1:32:30
saying these things happen to me but i wasn't physically close to death
1:32:35
but one of the biggest issues of course is the intensity of the experience
1:32:43
this was an interesting one that i saw um i'm going to talk some about mediums
1:32:49
but we were at unlv and probably a thousand people or so
1:32:55
there and george anderson was giving you know a lecture and all that
1:33:02
this young couple who's sitting a few rows behind us suddenly get up and they start to walk off
and they he stopped
1:33:09
them so wait wait wait don't leave he says your daughter wants to communicate
1:33:17
and uh turns out that their young daughter had been in a pool
1:33:22
accident and died now if it was old and you say oh i see your grandmother
1:33:28
that's kind of expected that it's not anticipated uh that you would they would
1:33:33
necessarily be uh children involved and he ended up giving him a teddy bear
1:33:41
that took out it was impressive the way he let's say stop them talk a little bit
1:33:47
about mediums this is with the ant and gaiman uh this is one of the mediums that was a
1:33:55
good friend of ours actually she was instrumental in our psychokinesis work we did with pk
1:34:01
and she had been at an early you know metal bending party that we were at and she was sitting
directly
1:34:08
across like from here listen here in the front row holding a fork at a base and this thing
1:34:15
just dropped over on a song that's when somebody and i went wait a minute
1:34:22
that really happened didn't it but she's been giving readings and
1:34:27
there's a film that was done on hbo a little over a decade ago called nobody dies at lilydale i will
say when you
1:34:34
watch it uh there's a lot of them that are like cold readings and you know they're
1:34:40
not intense but she in that case there was a uh
1:34:45
nco who was there and said his son had died
1:34:51
and went up and said i i know that you put you know what he had put inside the
1:34:57
casket and again not something that you would anticipate but a high degree of accuracy
1:35:04
uh suzanne giesemann another one i reckon she is most unusual
1:35:10
uh she is in her own right a retired navy commander
1:35:15
she was a chair aide to the joint chiefs on 9 11
1:35:22
and had commanded a vessel it had never been
1:35:27
ever had any mediumistic experiences and what happened is she and her husband
1:35:32
who was a retired navy captain went off and they were sailing off of croatia
1:35:39
at the time and they get a word they need to come back his daughter
1:35:46
her stepdaughter had been when she was a marine uh nco
1:35:52
had been walking across the tarmac at the base and was hit and killed by
1:35:57
lightning and um after all that she just suddenly became
1:36:03
a medium and like i say we've been really amazing channeled stuff that i've
1:36:10
seen she does lots of what she calls evidential uh medium but you don't find many who
1:36:16
start you know in the military as a primary career and then switch over you know without any
prior
1:36:24
experiences this is one we're getting into post-mortem communication again
1:36:32
chico xavier was most interesting is that now in brazil he was really well known
1:36:40
and in fact he had had uh had his own tv uh program and whatnot
1:36:46
uh but he had written uh over 400 and
1:36:51
450 books that he said he didn't write them these are channeled from other people
1:36:57
and the university of sao paulo did a study where they had information about they knew
1:37:02
the people who had had died and supposedly were reporting back had
1:37:08
information of things that they had written did a comparative analysis
1:37:13
between what came through chico in a
1:37:18
discarnate state and what they had written previously and
1:37:24
it was amazing they came out the accuracy was 98 and but they didn't find any false
1:37:30
statements the other two percent were just could not be uh anticipated
1:37:35
and i do want to put on the caveat after yep there are frauds and it's easier to
1:37:40
read doing cold readings than you think you are one of the problems with people in the grieving
process
1:37:48
are extraordinarily vulnerable and even the best mediums get it wrong
1:37:55
okay i'm going to hit a little bit on shamans we were in mongolia
1:38:01
we had flown a lombarder flew from there to maroon drove north
1:38:07
and one we talked about right up here on the siberian uh siberian border
1:38:14
those were the first with um and oddball then the shaman's actually actually in the metropolitan
areas now as well
1:38:22
this is shaman bulls gur
1:38:28
this is me meeting with him and what's significant here is he gives he had done his drumming
and all of a
1:38:35
sudden we heard this thing rolling across and it turned out to be this uh what turned out to be a
1:38:42
tectite and what got my interest is we my wife and i were the only foreigners
1:38:48
there the rest of them were locals and they were as amazed as we were just
1:38:53
watching their reactions so it's obviously not part of his stick and also tectites are not rare rare
1:39:00
uh but they're not very common either and we're talking about an area where
1:39:06
you know the poverty level looks up to dirt and so that they do this normally didn't
1:39:13
uh this is some of the prayer flags here we are with
1:39:19
the nomads the reindeer shaman if you ever see the the uh
1:39:26
with trunchie the horse boy is a movie that's out that
1:39:31
describes it um and after seeing him we had camped i just put this down as a river
1:39:38
uh that's uh the risk here we've been out about nine days
1:39:44
and the point here we were living in the sleeping in these little tents they're light enough you
pick it up every every
1:39:50
day and shake it so with there's nothing in there and what happened was
1:39:56
the that particular night on the thing um we had our sleeping pads and lying
1:40:03
between us is a brand new 50 pence australian coin
1:40:09
hadn't been near australia there they ran northern mongolia
1:40:17
some of the stuff that we saw in west africa we are in the voodoo shop in togo
1:40:25
with one of the priests the flags up me and the doctors in but
1:40:32
what i want to show you though is this we saw the working with fire
1:40:37
and um this guy i mean they stand on the fire and they sit in the fire he's holding the fire
1:40:44
i've got picture of the video he's holding it up here he's got long shin whiskers the flame his face
just
1:40:50
disappears and yet nothing singes and the point is we are defying the laws of
1:40:56
thermodynamics and the whole back story on how that
1:41:01
comes about this was interesting we went to a uh well it was literally voodoo new year's
1:41:07
day and they're having a national holiday uh this woman is out there and she is
1:41:13
you can tell the difference but totally in trance and they took me they put gunpowder in
1:41:18
both hands and ignited and didn't even you know you don't see a
1:41:24
phase at uh at all yeah i did hear back when uh
1:41:31
my uh this was our our guide uh there and he was saying they didn't need to
1:41:36
worry about himself and ebola was a big thing he says voodoo would protect him that's a step
farther and i'm prepared
1:41:43
to go certainly uh epidemio
1:41:50
uh this is the first trip we saw anybody familiar with john of god i won't go in there i'm gonna talk
about having seen
1:41:58
john of god and a wide range of healings that are reported uh most exciting i
1:42:04
guess is literally raising the dead if you believe but we watched him uh there and he does
1:42:12
several kinds of healing some of it is uh taking the forceps and it would take you
1:42:18
watching not very carefully just summing up the nose and the wrong
1:42:23
and pulling it out others are more spiritual and supposedly that
1:42:30
happens these people don't appear to have any pain at all
1:42:37
um this is one that's a little grim but scrapes
1:42:42
scrapes eyeball is one of the parts of the healing other than physical uh now he says the
surgery is done by
1:42:50
the spirit entities now he does other stuff where they send
1:42:55
them to you and it's done remotely no incidents reported of sepsis ever
1:43:03
in the area but this is one of these phenomenal i don't know if people know remember wayne
1:43:10
dyer he was a well-known motivational speaker
1:43:15
was diagnosed with leukemia and was going to go to
1:43:21
he was living in hawaii and maui and was going to go to abedinia and
1:43:27
said now he's going to go as his wife is going to go and
1:43:33
take his place and they set up a time for him to have the spiritual surgery
1:43:38
and he said here's what you do you lie down you drink water dress in white and do not move
just rest for a
1:43:46
day so the time came and went understanding the time differential between amazing
1:43:53
brazil and hawaii and he goes you know i feel he's really good when i'm walking in my garden
1:44:00
and so he gets up and starts to walk and doesn't make it a hundred feet before he just collapses
almost as if he had
1:44:06
really come out of surgery but the important thing as you see in the mom
1:44:13
his leukemia was in remission he went on to talk about this case
1:44:20
quite a bit uh oprah went down there had a huge impact i would say when we first went
1:44:26
there were a few hundred people last time were there they were literally coming in busloads and
thousands of them
1:44:36
this was the case last time i went back and i now say who it was
1:44:41
ann strieber whitley's wife was quite ill at the time and i was
1:44:47
suggested going down as they couldn't do that so they knew i was going to brazil and they
1:44:52
had given me a picture so i went where it was at the casa and i put
1:44:58
put the thing in there did the praying over it and whatnot and so then i went back and i sent
1:45:05
whitley a note that said okay we did it and like i said he did not know the date
1:45:10
we were going to be at abedinia and obviously she wasn't healed but did
1:45:16
say she had had the best day that she'd had in many months
1:45:22
now the bad news is that uh this is one of things i don't understand
1:45:28
you've got guys who have done phenomenal work and uh ends up arrested he's now in jail
1:45:34
for life and you know never going to get out
1:45:41
the testimony of this is pretty overwhelming that some very bad things happened there
1:45:47
now my question was when i was at the casa i went in they have a room and it's filled with
crutches and
1:45:53
wheelchairs and all of that and so the questions are what it has to
1:45:59
do with distance i mean look at what we did with uh wayne dyer we're long distance uh over
time the numbers
1:46:07
because one of the things i noticed that when we were there with all the folks who had come in
uh by
1:46:14
busload everybody who came in a wheelchair left in a wheelchair so why is it that some people
are healed
1:46:20
and some are not but the point is that these things definitely do happening
1:46:26
here's another experience as you know uh alan kardak the whole spiritism religion
1:46:31
is set up around uh based on cardiac
1:46:37
this is the wife i have a good friend edson pereira who is a
1:46:43
retired brazilian colonel uh who's the guy who actually took this picture but we're at a temple this
is
1:46:50
actually uh unreal but the point here is his wife
1:46:55
had been bedridden and treated in there with his spiritual healing and regular medical doctors
had
1:47:03
just said you know go home there's nothing we can do and yet here she is
1:47:09
you know totally healed but one of the things you mentioned i do
1:47:16
a fair amount of stuff in brazil and at very high levels
1:47:21
given a presentation one time the guy the speaker in front of me was the minister of justice
1:47:28
and so we know lesson and they are educated in facilities that are based on
1:47:34
materialism very western oriented and yet many of the people who are there
1:47:39
can totally integrate the difference between the spiritism and material and
1:47:46
accommodate both which is one of the problems with our belief structures
1:47:52
uh ayahuasca i've done work with uh
1:47:57
shamans uh my wife started the demoted to ayahuasca i have tried it don't like it it will
1:48:04
never be a recreational drug the anybody who's tried this knows what i
1:48:10
mean because you can run sometimes at both ends in the purging
1:48:16
process but uh it's uh
1:48:23
can be spiritually transformational i've seen people that are now talking about using it for ptsd
1:48:29
should not be taken lightly this is terribly in intensive
1:48:34
this is ron wheelock who is the griego shaman a good friend of ours and if
1:48:40
anybody is interested he is one i would recommend he's kept his price in control
1:48:45
you can see him on lisa ling they did a uh
1:48:51
has a huge advantage of being a dual citizen and speaks english fluently
1:48:57
many of the shamans that you deal with do not and that can be problematic
1:49:03
we do know the psycho psychoactive substance is dmt and
1:49:09
this is a quote rick straussman was an md who was doing work at the university of
1:49:15
new mexico medical school but one of his quotes as we enter into
1:49:21
invisible realms ones that cannot uh normally sense
1:49:27
we cannot can normally sense whose presence we can scarcely imagine and even more
surprising they seem to be
1:49:35
inhabited this is uh ombanda ceremony we're in
1:49:41
kurotiva in brazil and this does not entail drugs or
1:49:47
anything it does have drumming and very powerful experiences
1:49:53
this is one in which this is uh victoria and they said does anybody want healing
1:49:59
and so she jumped up there and the priestess is putting her hands out and all of a sudden felt
1:50:07
entity uh jump in and i think you can see obviously in a trance state at that
1:50:14
point and then what you see there were about 300 people there and she's out on the
1:50:19
floor just whirling around now they're used to seeing people in trance they're not used to seeing
gringos
1:50:25
and there's about 300 were there only about 10 gringos and this literally was a showstopper
1:50:32
and seemed to and said was allowing a discarded entity to have a
1:50:39
time incarnate in this reality and so the when you're dealing with the
1:50:45
shamans in fact when you talk to them you kind of have to find out wait wait man
1:50:51
we talk about you know physically here and now because they run on a spectrum and they
1:50:56
seem to move back and forth between physical reality and they have a world view
1:51:02
that's prepared to accept that and sometimes the discussion is uh
1:51:08
interesting i will win through i was going to jump into the remote viewing program
1:51:14
this is what it was for strategic reconnaissance counter intelligent counter narcotics
1:51:22
it had a lot of different names most people know of it by the last name which was a stargate and
the program was
1:51:30
terminated in uh here are the key people
1:51:36
or a couple of them joe mcmonagle was best of the best he's
1:51:41
remote viewer zero zero one uh ingo swann many of you'll know
1:51:47
and the point is that joe had jogged this
1:51:52
diagram from palo alto now he did not know where the
1:51:58
location was at all this is a picture this is sandia a
1:52:03
national lamp and if you've ever been to sandia you'll find that right along this
1:52:09
row of trees and all that very very distinctive as is this building and that
1:52:14
and without there's any guidance was able to hit that uh this is some
1:52:20
early examples uh that's uh uh
1:52:25
as hal get green and as pat price who were working against targets in the
1:52:32
soviet union at the time uh this is a i think one of phenomenal examples joe
1:52:40
was given a target in round one they gave him geographic
1:52:45
coordinates so from that you could say yeah it's pretty far north but he says it's an unpleasant
cold
1:52:51
place and a large building spokes to act semi-frozen
1:52:56
and provided could you provide more data so this is uh
1:53:02
round two they gave them a kh-11 photograph all you can see is a building and they
1:53:07
said they want to know what's going on inside and he goes well there are multiple
1:53:13
submarines uh one's very large and describe some things
1:53:20
and the information was sent out to our boat builders and they go ah nonsense we they were
tubes were forward of the
1:53:28
sail a completely different uh launch and our
1:53:33
classic intelligence said we don't have any intelligence that says they're going to do something
dramatically different
1:53:41
and so joe drew this picture of it and sure enough the
1:53:47
clouds parted the skies came on and there was a typhoon class submarine which had been
missed by regular
1:53:54
intelligence and sure enough the tubes are forward of the sail up until
1:54:01
very recently it was the largest uh submarine and it was double held one of
1:54:07
the things he had reported was double-hulled and all that and there our conventional boat
builders
1:54:13
said that can't be right uh if you really anything that big is gonna crush
1:54:18
when it goes to depth and uh turns out that he had hit a number of the things exactly right
1:54:27
um this way it works
1:54:32
this was another target with the counter insurgency that blew people's mind and the point is
1:54:38
this was done in august of 87
1:54:44
and the stealth fighter had not been released at that time
1:54:50
one of the things they caught them not only did they have the uh get the stealth aspect right
1:54:57
uh they got a second one and at that time the v2 was still in its infancy
1:55:05
uh and this scared a lot of people they said wow i could do that so as they say
1:55:10
later next year we finally revealed that the target existed so how do you predict
1:55:17
that the b2 was unanticipated uh now the conundrum that we have the
1:55:24
scientists often say you know the question of reality and what's your theoretical basis
1:55:30
and the point is can't answer that particularly when you get into precognitive and retrocognitive
1:55:36
uh applications but we had a what we call an operational capability we were
1:55:41
actually using these things uh for lack of um for those that know
1:55:47
lynn buchanan ango al uh steven schwartz that's gary
1:55:54
and paul smith i'm going to go very quickly where i think we ought to go one of the
1:56:00
problems is the cost of doing research space research is very
1:56:06
expensive so the web telescope that's 10 billion
1:56:12
iss is 100 billion cost per day for man day in space is uh seven and a
1:56:18
half million dollars so well worth it but my point is what are
1:56:26
you going to do uh i sometime today this will be our national debt
1:56:34
that's that's 30 trillion dollars these numbers are spinning so fast that
1:56:39
you can't keep up with them so if you're going to spend money and we have all of these things
going on
1:56:47
what's it what are you going to do where do you think the research should be
1:56:53
so this is sort of a comparative analysis seven thousand
1:56:58
uh cases affecting 30 million people these are what's called rare diseases meaning there's less
than 200 000
1:57:05
examples of them now you look at what's
1:57:10
you know what we've done in cancer research and my take is that ufos are at least
1:57:17
as complex as cancer so
1:57:22
kind of like where are we going to put our money if you the funding in life after death research
affects 100 of the
1:57:30
population yet funding for that is almost non-existent
1:57:35
alternative healing that affects the vast majority of people and yet very modest funding
1:57:42
uh when you get down to uh you know searching for what's known as a god particle eggs boson
or something
1:57:50
like that you know we're willing to put billions into that and yet yeah it doesn't affect everybody
yes but
1:57:57
you're really talking about a subset of theoretical scientists
1:58:02
that would be interested involved so my point is that money in the government's a zero-sum
game
1:58:10
and you know if you're if you want to fund ufo research then you've got to tell
1:58:15
your congressman what you're not prepared to fund
1:58:22
we've spent six trillion the last couple wars look at what's the technology that you've seen
1:58:28
uh certainly robotics micros lyft these are the kinds of things you
1:58:34
see majority i think looks like et technology space has become playground
1:58:39
for rich guys uh you've all seen those things they do but you don't see any of them they're
1:58:45
making you know big leaps into the ufo arena
1:58:51
that's the toys again because back when if you're a manager and a steward of public funds
1:58:58
you've got to be held accountable for it and so yeah you might get some research dollars
1:59:05
but again they talk about the 22 million that's probably big for anybody's bank
1:59:11
account here but by pentagon standards kind of pocket change
1:59:16
and that was over several years here's what i think ought to happen if
1:59:21
you're going to do it it ought to be approached like the human genome project which was very
successful as both
1:59:28
government and civilians the point is multiple universities
1:59:33
multiple countries and it came in under budget and i had a schedule
1:59:39
the biggest issue is sharing data and that's something we don't do very
1:59:45
well so this is what's needed a global scope the incidents don't
1:59:50
happen in the u.s they are all over the world top scientists ought to be involved
1:59:56
multiple universities and again sharing data but i think that's kind of highly
2:00:03
unlikely to happen unfortunately i think the issues are that it's beyond
2:00:09
comprehension which does not bode well for being dealt with by highly structured organizations
2:00:16
like governments and the issue ought to be how much is enough i mean if you took all of these
2:00:21
areas you know near death you have millions of cases i don't know uh
2:00:27
you know stargate you have an operational unit and working well
2:00:32
what you're seeing in the ufo uh around again millions of observations
2:00:38
credible witnesses and that and the main problem is scientific acceptance
2:00:43
uh we are still dominated by a materialistic belief system
2:00:49
uh and on the other side proliferation of crazy uh that uh get a lot of
2:00:54
visibility uh this is one of my pet phrases if you're thinking globally you're thinking
2:01:00
too small the personal agenda is to try and make it
2:01:06
uh available for serious scientists to best and brightest to get involved
2:01:14
and whatnot this is the final words of my ufo book which i don't have here it
2:01:19
is in the end it is clear that the universe is far more complex than we ever
2:01:24
imagined we are not close to solving the enigmas posed by ufos but rather still on the
2:01:31
front end of defining the fundamental issues and boundaries
2:01:36
and final words from reality denied is yes you are your brother's keepers for your
2:01:43
spiritual being having a human experience thank you
2:01:48
[Applause]
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you