Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive321
Nishidani
[edit]| A general reminder to all editors is added to the talkpage as an AE action. Nishidani and filer Drsmoo are given logged warnings for battleground conduct and cautioned to follow the new general reminder. Further disruption may result in sanctions without further warning. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 16:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Nishidani[edit]
Edit:I want to note that I'm not seeking any sort of ban. What I would like, in fact, is for the bludgeoning and hostility to cease so that editors on the talk page can make progress. Nishidani has been making personal attacks, assuming bad faith, and casting aspersions on the talk page of Zionism, race, and genetics. Nishidani has also been intensively bludgeoning discussion. Of the last 50 talk page edits, Nishidani has added 76% of the content. While many of these edits are meaningful, a large number are strictly WP:FORUM, off-topic, non-sequiturs, or comments on their own comments that have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the discussion. Along with the personal attacks, the amount of noise and disruption caused by the WP:Forum talks and incessant bludgeoning has greatly increased the difficulty of organizing/working through information on the discussion page. Another note, Nishidani was requested to stop bludgeoning by another editor a week ago. "you need to stop bludgeoning this discussion and leave room for other editors to participate." The claims of "Stonewalling" have absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. In fact the opposite is true. After I spent hours writing a detailed, 18 point list of article issues, Nishidani's response was as follows: "I don't know whether there's any point in replying to your points." Yesterday I posted two concrete examples of article issues, Nishidani's response was first "Don't invent stuff that in rebuttal and counterrebuttal will jam this article with useless argufying.", and then ""That is rubbish, a gross distortion, that's beginning to look deliberate." Nishidani completely refuses to engage with any argument they have no interest in, and then claims that the person who has been making the argument is "stonewalling", which is absurd and demonstrably false. I do AGF though, because the talk page is so incredibly, overwhelmingly, muddled, that it is very hard to follow who has said what where. And yes Iskandar323, when editors refuse to engage with your points, and then have the audacity to accuse the users making the points of "stonewalling", it is reasonable to conclude that there is an impasse and request additional comments. Edit: Whoa, at no point whatsoever did I accuse ANYONE of being antisemitic or of attacking Israelis. Full stop. I am more than tired of his false claims that I am making "innuendo" or an "insidiously obscure allusion" or whatever hidden message Nishidani chooses to read into my edits. Drsmoo (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Edit: Your reposting the link doesn't change the fact that I never accused anyone of being antisemitic or attacking Israelis. Full stop. Also, why are you linking to posts by Onceinawhile and attributing them to me? Drsmoo (talk) 05:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Edit: I see I've gone well over 20 diffs. I wasn't aware of that rule, and over replied. I take umbrage at the repeated assertions that I'm transmitting "insidious" and "obscure allusion"(s). Drsmoo (talk) 05:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nishidani[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Nishidani[edit]Josiah Ober recently published a very important book on the microfoundations of social order. In the overture he wrote that the ground on which our social intercourse is anchored consists of:-
The talk page from which Drsmoo's quotes are taken is intimidatingly long, and I apologize to Arbs that they are now obliged to read it. On it, I am responsible for 195,534 bytes. The evidence for my being severely sanctioned consists of 1184 bytes. Of which 801 (points 5 and 6) are immaterial (barrel-scraping). The gravamen of evidence consists of 380 bytes, ripped from context, but still technically, could be interpreted as indications that, in a dialogue imposed by WP:Consensus, I have lapsed in very rare moments from the strictest rules governing Wikipedia talk page dialogue. An editor must earnestly strive, whatever the differences, to find shared ground with those who disagree with them and not resort to snarky terminology, however frustrated by an intransigent stonewalling (that is what is going on, in my view) insouciant of all attempts to use logic and evidence to validate erratic claims. I take this obligation to engage very seriously. If someone disagrees on what I might think patently obvious, factual or logical, I will go to any length (unfortunately) to show at least why I think the refusal to find common ground in each instance is unreasoned. So we have 380 bytes of 195,335. If someone who is searching for a ban combs hard enough, they will find that there is fine grit for ridding Wikipedia of me in 0.194% of what I wrote there.Nishidani (talk) 12:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I used the word ‘stonewalling’. I had in mind Drsmoo's repeating for an entire month, the same opinion, with variations, regardless of considerable efforts to disabuse him of his belief that evidence from researchers amounted to a disparaging attack on both the researchers ('genetic studies on Jews are 'Zionist' etc)and Israelis. He made this claim first here, then here, and here (the innuendo is that the very article is antisemitic). See also here, here,here, here, and here. A full month later, he was still repeating it to Pharos, ignoring every disproof or request for evidence in the interim. Apparently it is I who bludgeons people. Nishidani (talk) 04:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Andrevan[edit]I know Nishidani writes a lot of brilliant prose but they can be abrasive, and should rein it in. See here. This has a similar look - accusing their interlocutor of being too dense to understand what complexities lie within their expertise. That's bullying, and it's not appropriate. Andre🚐 02:33, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Iskandar323[edit]There is no explanation above of how the diffs presented violate anything, neither any behavioural policy, far less CT sanctions. Mildly abrasive responses about people's editing are not personal attacks, and this has nothing to do with WP:ARBPIA restrictions. Given that this page is already under discussion at ANI, that would have been the place, if anywhere, to raise this rather low-level complaint. In the context of that discussion being ongoing, this filing has the taste of an attempted punitive/retributive action and if anything should boomerang as a waste of community time. Given that the OP is very actively and self-evidently stonewalling discussions on the page, the overall lack of respect for community time is becoming an issue. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Selfstudier[edit]Before this turns into an ANI page, responders should keep their comments within their own sections. For the sake of good order, filer is subject of a complaint at ANI filed by Nishidani here. I do not see where any complaint has been raised by filer at Nishidani talk page? Atm, this appears a tit for tat filing and the charges without merit or at the very least any such charges can be leveled at least equally at the filer.Selfstudier (talk) 11:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Nableezy[edit]Andre, seems odd to bring that up when Nishidani was indeed correct that you were misconstruing what he said, despite his repeated attempts to explain it. See here for you accepting how you had so blatantly misunderstood what he said, took offense based on your misunderstanding, and then attempted to upbraid him on the basis of that misunderstanding. So yeah, seems similar indeed. Nishidani attempts to explain his position, citing a plethora of sources, somebody takes offense to something that he didnt say, and then seeking to sanction them based on their misconstrual, purposeful or otherwise, of what he did say. nableezy - 13:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Tryptofish[edit]To get this out of the way first, let me stipulate that a couple weeks ago I posted this: [1], but then quickly did this: [2], and said this: [3]. I've been thinking for a while about taking Nishidani to AE myself. I've held back, largely because Nishidani has been doing some very good content work on the page itself, and I didn't want to step on that. But I think those revisions are largely done now, and based upon Nishidani's repeated disruption of the article talk page, I'm inclined to think that either a page ban or a logged warning are warranted. Here are diffs of my own, all from the article talk page:
Nishidani is an experienced editor, and he knows that there are two Contentious Topics in effect (the other one is Race and Intelligence), and being "right" on the content issues is no excuse. I don't mind a one-off loss of temper, but this is a chronic pattern, and the aggressive disdain for other editors is getting in the way of finding consensus. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Onceinawhile[edit]Nishidani has a unique communication style, which doesn’t work for everyone, but for many of us brings a thought provoking, fresh and enjoyable editing environment. Not least because the vast majority of his edits and talk comments are thorough and source-based, and one almost always learns something new from reading them. Drsmoo has a very different style, often making short comments with thematic claims and rarely with specific evidence. Wikipedia has many editors of both types, and it is natural that these two extremes will struggle to see eye-to-eye. I do think Drsmoo should have held the same lens up to his own comments in this month-long article discussion before opening this thread. For example, each of these four statements from earlier in the same discussion seem materially more abrasive that the diffs he provided: The entire article is… synthd together to push a POV. // And this is why the article is WP:SYNTH, first comes the opinion, and then search for keywords in Google scholar to try to support it… then slop it into the article; rinse, repeat.. // article is a collection of cherry picked sources WP:SYNTHd together to push a POV narrative // Were you sitting there pressing refresh and waiting to undo? If so, this takes tag-teaming to a new level. (the second sentence of this last one was struck through after I pointed it out). Uninvolved editors are better placed than me to judge the merits of the competing claims (per Tryptofish and Swarm’s reference to the earlier ANI thread claiming stonewalling by Drsmoo). What is clear though is that only one of the two parties to these two disagreements has so far shown signs of introspection, reflection and consideration for the other’s perspective. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Zero0000[edit]Concerning Drsmoo's second diff, "insidiously obscure allusion to private interests motivating the former’s work", that was 100% Drsmoo's own fault. Twice Drsmoo claimed that Onceinawhile and SelfStudier are not allowed to remove tags due to a "conflict of interest". Nishidani reasonably assumed that a highly experienced editor like Drsmoo would know what "conflict of interest" means on Wikipedia and that Drsmoo was accusing one or both those editors of "contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships". That would indeed be an insidious allusion to private interests and would deserve a rebuke. I don't in the least blame Nishidani for this misunderstanding prompted by Drsmoo's ignorance. Zerotalk 08:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Sir Joseph[edit]Granted this was years ago, but "All parties are cautioned that further breaches in civility occurring after this date in the PIA topic area will be be met with swift action at a lower threshold than has traditionally been the case." Nishidani seems to get "his way" by posting walls of text and usually being acerbic to people who disagrees with him, and oftentimes just chasing editors away. There is a way to disagree with people without insulting them. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:36, 14 August 2023 (UTC) Result concerning Nishidani[edit]
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Lettashtohr
[edit]| Lettashtohr may not edit any article to emphasize connections to Ukraine (broadly construed) over connections to Russia (broadly construed), including changing "Kiev" to "Kyiv", without first obtaining a consensus on the talkpage, unless they are reverting to enforce an existing consensus. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 17:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Lettashtohr[edit]
Discussion concerning Lettashtohr[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Lettashtohr[edit]Do you mean that I have to write up and submit edits in the individual talk pages of the artists? Happy to do that but often Ukrainian citations are not accepted as facts, whereas Russian ones are accepted bc they have been around for longer. It seems to be an uphill battle to clear the bios of eastern European artists from panrussianisms if we have to debate every fact in the talk page. The problem with artists pages that the museums and exhibitions often take the basic tag line and information from wikipedia > then they write it up in the cards next to the artworks > then this info becomes published in the booklet > then the printed media becomes a proof that the original panrussian info was correct. This happened at Venice Biennale in 2022 with Ukrainian modernists. Many modernists who worked and studied in Moscow during Ukrainian-soviet war 1917-1921 were placed by some art historians in the Russian modernists camp, even though the artists in their biographies have identified as Ukraininans. To some publications they automatically become "Russian" artists. So Ukrainian modernists become Russian modernists. Some people don't care about the difference but us Ukrainians and art historians do. It'll be a long journey to discern that. Lettashtohr (talk) 12:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by 74.73.224.126[edit]@Firefangledfeathers: the consensus in question is documented at WP:KYIV. There was a WP:DANZIG style discussion a few years back that resulted in the use of Kiev for topics prior to 1991, Kyiv for topics postdating 1995, and individualized assessments for topics in between those dates or that were ongoing across them. Otherwise, I have no opinion on this request as a whole. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC) Result concerning Lettashtohr[edit]
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Petra0922
[edit]| Petra0922 is warned to stay civil and focus on content. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Petra0922[edit]
User is aware of the contentious topics sanction per this comment from May 2022, responding to a discretionary sanctions notice given by Beeblebrox on 19:17, 10 May 2022 regarding the Horn of Africa topic area.
Their old username "AmharaWAAGpublish" suggests that they are associated with the advocacy group "Amhara Women Association Against Genocide". I think that they are too emotionally invested in this topic to contribute to it in a neutral manner, and I think their comments and edit warring above above show that they are not capable of collaborative editing regarding this issue. At the very least, they need to be firmly told not to engage in personal attacks.
Discussion concerning Petra0922[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Petra0922[edit]I like to start by saying that my edits are international and not limited to Ethiopia, and you will notice that I am focused on global human rights and war articles.
As far as I can tell, Hemiauchenia stated inaccurate information in discussions dismissing what was disclosed on sources as the work of Amhara activists. At the same time, the editor was persistent in aggressively modifying the article in the middle of active discussions as it was also witnessed by @Random person no 362478479. Here is the link for the details of the discussion where I pointed out that Hemiauchenia was giving misleading information. The edits that I called destructive related to محرر البوق were manifested in the form of:
Please note that I just removed a list of 13 separate examples in order to meet the 500-word limit. They can be accessed here Petra0922 (talk) 01:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Random person no 362478479[edit]The edit summary for the restoration of "genocide" in wiki-voice includes "Discussion still active." I agree with Petra0922 that the discussion is still active (there is an RfC now). On the other hand the discussion currently trends towards not using "genocide" in wiki-voice and therefore Hemiauchenia's removal was justified and reasonable. I don't think that Petra0922 should have reverted, but I also don't think that this revert was completely unjustified. The accusations against محرر البوق are serious and if there is evidence for them should have been raised at the appropriate noticeboard. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 09:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by محرر البوق[edit]@Petra0922 These accusations are completely baseless and unfounded. Its pretty obvious that you are trying to deflect this on me, by going through my history and cherrypicking my edits from months ago. Like I said before, if you have a problem with my "destructive edits" then file a report on the ANI, I would love to explain my reasoning behind those edits. However, you persistently accusing me of being biased and attacking my edits as being "destructive" on a talk page discussion exclusively about content is indeed a personal attack (WP:WIAPA and WP:ASPERSIONS) and seems to be the reason why this enforcement request was opened. Take accountability instead of trying to drag other users into this. محرر البوق (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Petra0922[edit]
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Melechha
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Melechha[edit]
Admins: Please note that, while this section is titled "Melechha", I am requesting an investigation of and potential enforcement against all three editors mentioned in this report. Melechha requested assistance on my talk page after I warned them for adding a copyright violation to Siege of Ponda, possibly under the mistaken impression that I'm an administrator, saying that they were "tired of these vandalists like @ThePakistanihistorian and others for their external interests". I wasn't sure what they meant at first since they didn't link to the article under dispute or provide diffs, but a quick look at the editor interaction analyzer revealed a dispute on Battle of Sangamner. I explained to them that TPH's edits weren't vandalism and advised them to resolve the issue on the talk page or at an appropriate dispute resolution venue. Since several other parties appeared to be involved in that dispute, I posted contentious topic notifications on their talk pages. I also noted that they also seemed to be using the account Melechha2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and advised them of WP:SOCK, to which they replied Shortly afterward, two other parties to the dipsute (ThePakistanihistorian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Aryan330 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) began commenting on my talk page. It's worth noting that Aryan330 is indefinitely p-blocked blocked by Black Kite from Mughal–Maratha Wars and has been warned by Abecedare for disruption on Draft:Battle of Umberkhind (an article at the time) and Battle of Pavan Khind. I repeatedly advised the two editors to instead discuss the matter on the article's talk page or at appropriate dispute resolution venues and refrain from accusing each other of vandalism, with little success. عبدالرحمن4132 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has also revert-warred on the article, although, to their credit, they engaged in discussion on the article's talk page without accusing anyone of vandalism. I only alerted them to the contentious topics procedures just now, which is an oversight on my part. Since I'm not just requesting enforcement against Melechha, I've compiled diffs from the two other editors below. These diffs might not be exhaustive.
I'm at my wit's end here. It's obvious that there's an intractable dispute going on that I don't have the necessary experience to deal with. It's very late in my timezone and I'll be fairly busy tomorrow, so I probably won't be able to reply here until 18:00 UTC. This is my first time participating at AE so I apologize if I've screwed up here. I'd also welcome feedback on my haphazard attempts to get the parties to resolve the dispute amongst themselves. — SamX [talk · contribs] 07:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Melechha[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Melechha[edit]Statement by Aryan330[edit]First of all I had to say that there are some false allegations made by user samX as he said warned by Abecedare for disruption on Draft:Battle of Umberkhind (an article at the time) and Battle of Pavan Khind,which is untrue & I had told him at his talk page now,https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169307732. I had started the discussion as the topic name "Vandalism" thought I apologise even after not knowing what my mistake was!I just reported @samX that :- user عبدالرحمن4132 is voilating three revert rule,nothing more than that. thought I shouldn't use the word like "Vandalism" as I already apologized about that in talk page of SamX https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SamX I will not repeat the same. Thought the query I had raised,nothing wrong in that as user عبدالرحمن4132 had made 4 reverts in less than 48 hours https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Sangamner&action=history this user is also warned by samX previously,see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169256728, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169300167. & It was my first & last edit on that page,I had neither edited further nor engaged in edit war as user عبدالرحمن4132 engaged. Now he is also making articles on by one by sticking to only one source jadunath sarkar which is pretty dated source & can't be used as citation.The senior Wikipedia users also said same the user Abecedare & RegentsPark also said the same,see :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1163841364. If one source is not considered as reliable & the user is creating articles one by one using that only source then as a Wikipedia user I had to raise a query & that what I done. Note:- I had not Disrupted the page seige of basavapattan as the user accusing me on false claims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169305568. you can see that page where I even don't edited single time:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Basavapatan. He is adding wrong word "Disruption" as I just told him that his edits Is seems to be unconstructive & I will edit it soon & please don't distrib talk page of other user as he disturbed the talk page of Materialscientist & I just said to him that we can discuss it on that respective article & that's why I told him to come at page of basavapattan,see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169297504. About ThePakistanihistorian :- I had just commented that he had used abusive language for personal attack which was addressed by samX himself here. The issues raised by samX which are familiar with the issues I raised https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169288983https:/ ,https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169292668, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169289164. Even after that I addressed him on his talk page,but rather than correcting a mistake,he warned me https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169292668 Thank you
Statement by ThePakistanihistorian[edit]Statement by عبدالرحمن4132[edit]Hello! First of all, the user seems to have removed my sources, which prove that the Battle of Sangamner was a Mughal victory, and used a source that says otherwise. I fixed the article according to the source, but still to no avail. I've taken this to the talk page to discuss until the user, Melechha, accused me of being vandalistic and ignorant, assuming I'm committing bad faith on the article. He also assumed that one of the sources I've provided was not only that but said that one of my sources, which is Jadunath Sarkar, claimed he corrected his mistake in his fifth edition, and I've asked him to show me that fifth edition but never replied till now. The other user, @Aryan330 had also begun disrupting my articles by removing the source in Battle of Shivneri Fort and Siege of Shivneri Fort, he also attempting to disrupt my article in future which I created Siege of Basavapatan , which is Jadunath Sarkar, who provides great military details about battles, claiming it is a dated source I don't know what that means, but you cannot remove sourced content just because you find an issue with him; otherwise, the reasoning he provides doesn't really make up for it, claiming the following in Battle of Pavan Khind talk page: & about this battle it should not as his works are primarily depend on persion sources and sardesai said that persion sources remained silent on this Battle for reputation. Due to his bad English, I'm assuming he's talking about Persian sources, which he seems to have an issue with. Statement by Editorkamran[edit]Melechha should be blocked for username violation alone. His username is a slur used for foreigners. See this and also our page on Mleccha. Editorkamran (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Abecedare[edit]Placing myself here since I have previously interacted with Aryan3000 (see here and here) and Melechha (see here) regarding sources/content and, IMO, neither seem to have an adequate grasp of WP:RS especially as applied to history articles. This combined with their obvious pro-Maratha leanings in the centuries old Maratha-Mughal wars (which unfortunately have relevance to religio-cultural wars in contemporary India and Pakistan) makes them somewhat of a time-sink in this topic area. This is not to absolve the other editors involved in the fracas whose conduct I haven't taken a look at. Abecedare (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by TB[edit]A plague-on-both-your-houses-approach is needed, except for Editorkamran. Melechha needs an username-ban, as argued. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Result concerning Melechha[edit]
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Leyo
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Leyo[edit]
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Contentious_topic_designation Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Casting_aspersions
This comes off the heels of a recent admin action review started by Doug Weller on August 6 where Leyo made a bad block against me both on substance and as a WP:INVOLVED admin. One of the main suggestions from that review was to look at an interaction ban.[14] Before this, I had been dealing with aspersions from Leyo in GMO/pesticide topics in article space in violation of WP:TPNO since 2016. The sniping was sporadic enough then I hoped sanctions weren't needed. Given the recent escalation of that behavior to using admin tools in that hounding, I'm requesting an interaction-ban be imposed on Leyo towards me. Older WP:TPNO sniping and aspersions I warned Leyo about WP:ASPERSIONS in the GMO topic 2016 and 2018. The older diffs in evidence show a history of under-the-radar sniping/battleground. Back at the GMO ArbCom, we crafted that aspersions principle because people would take to the talk page to bludgeon/poison-the-well with comments ranging from broadly accusing editors of having an agenda without evidence, COI, etc. to outright or thinly veiled comments insinuating someone was a Monsanto shill. The Recent edits I cautioned about the GMO restrictions again just a few months ago between Leyo's Where that ties into the GMO topic is that they ignored warnings about their behavior toward me in this topic to the point Leyo believed they were uninvolved when they tried to block me. At the review, multiple editors were concerned Leyo appeared dismissive of the history between us and carried on as if they had just merely given me warnings through their sniping detailed above. Because nearly all of this until the recent INVOLVED issue was centered around GMO/pesticides, I'm hoping a one-way interaction ban prevents this behavior from resurfacing in agriculture topics where we cross paths given the severity of the bad block I just had to deal with. KoA (talk) 04:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC) Admin replies
Discussion concerning Leyo[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Leyo[edit]Sorry for the late response due to the holiday season.
That's all for now. --Leyo 22:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by BilledMammal[edit]I do believe that action is required here; based on the evidence I have seen I believe that Leyo used their admin tools to target an editor they were engaged in a dispute with. This is not behavior that can be swept under the rug; at a minimum, Leyo needs to be put on notice that further abuses of the tools will result in the tools being removed. If a reviewing admin wishes me to present the evidence here I will do so, but for now I will just direct any interested editors towards the XRV discussion. However, I don't believe that AE is the correct location for action to take place; I believe either ANI or ARBCOM is required, and over the past few days I have been considering opening an ARBCOM case on this topic, and have been leaning heavily towards doing so. Now that this AE case is open I will hold off on doing so, with my current intention being to open one after discussion has taken its course here if it is still warranted. 11:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Tryptofish[edit]I've been following and commenting on this situation, so I might as well comment here. I suppose one option that is within scope for AE would be to TBAN Leyo from GMOs, but I don't see much recent evidence that this would be anything urgent to do now. I agree with other comments here, that Leyo's stated intention to step back is something that is worth giving a chance, to see if it holds up. So it seems to me to be reasonable to close this AE without formal action, and wait and see if there is any recidivism on Leyo's part. If we're lucky, there won't be, and if not, this would be something for ArbCom. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Gtoffoletto[edit]I was not involved in the content dispute that lead to KoA's block and never edited that page. However, I have been part of this saga for a few months and my one week block for disputes in this area with KoA has been mentioned in this request. I will partially repost here a comment I made in the Admin action review that was also mentioned in this case. KoA mentions that "
As I stated in the admin action review I feel that policies enacted for Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms are being used to attack and block users (even when the disputes have little or nothing to do with the subject). This all started months ago when I began investigating evidence of a systemic issue with the selection of our sources that privileges industry interests (here, User talk:Headbomb/unreliable/Archive 1#EWG.org Generally Unreliable?), with troubling evidence showing that CropLife International and American Chemistry Council, for example, are cited in 19 articles and 53 articles respectively, while we are regularly flagging as inaccurate, and removing entirely, citations from independent non profits and advocacy groups (such as Environmental Working Group or Pesticide Action Network). This is what started this whole saga and it is extremely worrisome. Wikipedia is highly vulnerable to manipulation from outside interests. If any proof is required of this we can look at this recent well publicised incident: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-07-17/In the media. How can we ensure the independence of Wikipedia if we use the policies we built to defend our encyclopaedia in this way? Corporate capture is extremely easy and all but guaranteed in this environment. I'm just a casual editor so I don't have the resources to participate in this (wide reaching issue) appropriately and I am on holiday. But I hope the community will find a way to investigate thoroughly on what is happening here. This additional enforcement request does not feel right at all. It feels like a WP:BATTLEGROUND attack against an adversary. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 19:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Doug Weller[edit]Gtoffoletto’s comments were made after the Administrative Review and were not part of it. User:Thryduulf responded by telling them that “ The content dispute and the behaviour of KOA unrelated to this block are off-topic for this forum, but you are free to raise them in the appropriate location if you wish.”[26] I agreed and hatted it which has upset them.[27] Perhaps it’s appropriate here, although I doubt it. Doug Weller talk 18:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC) Result concerning Leyo[edit]
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Nishidani 2
[edit]| Sanction imposed and vacated by imposing admin. Closed without action, as everyone appears to have said their piece. Courcelles (talk) 21:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Nishidani 2[edit]
Well, this is awkward. The previous AE thread was just closed, and hasn't even been archived yet. But the fact that Nishidani's post, coming so soon after the logged warning, so obviously violates the warning, and his subsequent reaction of acting like nothing was wrong with it, leads me to think that we are in "Further disruption may result in sanctions without further warning" territory. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nishidani 2[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Nishidani 2[edit]I won't defend myself other than say this. I'm responsible for the comprehensive rewrite. All editors desisted as they kindly allowed me to do so. The only thing I hadn't touched was the lead. I specifically notified the page that, given the persisting troubles over the lead, I would try to rewrite it stringently according to WP:MOS/WP:LEDE, and asked if there were any objections. there were none. I went ahead. I managed three of four paragraphs, but was struck down with a raging fever, and spent 18 hours in bed. Unlike many others, I do not check who added what. In my view, that is a waste of time. All that matters is the conformity of text to sources via close paraphrase. Tryptofish apparently wrote it, and was offended by my opening a talk page discussion (brief, because I'm still somewhat feverish, but no headaches, so I can drop in to make a note now and then). My objections are strictly technical. I will say that the alacrity with which AE is being once more resorted to looks like 'harassment'. I don't mind my language being minutely parsed, but articles are written by attention to reading sources, not constantly suspecting editors' motives from some perceived 'tone'. Whatever. Good night. (My fever is not mentioned as an excuse. I wrote with lucidity, and if it is problematical under the ruling, I accept whatever judgment will be forthcoming) Nishidani (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Iskandar323[edit]I fail to see the behavioural issue worthy of censure here, let alone AE. Nishidani quite rightly pointed out the decidedly dodgy turn the first sentence of the lead had taken. While it was presumably inadvertent, the wording that has been landed on at the time of Nishidani's post basically all but said that racism has an evidential basis, essentially affirming scientific racism in Wikivoice. Nishidani then did exactly the right thing and, rather than reverting anyone (which might have ruffled feathers, had that been his inclination), took it straight to talk, i.e. the correct approach to resolving a content issue. I also found the wording that has been arrived at "extraordinary" (Nishidani's only commentary) in its inadvertent blunder, and I also emphasized the alarming nature of the lead wording in the summary for the edit that I made immediately afterwards to address it. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Selfstudier[edit]Self banning myself from the page for two weeks since I find nothing whatsoever actionable in Nishidani conduct and would have been tempted to respond similarly in the same circumstances.Selfstudier (talk) 21:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Firefangledfeathers[edit]Posting here because I have too strong a positive opinion about both Tryptofish and Nishidani to be an uninvolved admin. I am having trouble seeing Nishidani's comment as an example of the conduct he was warned against. Both the "extraordinary" and the analogy to parapsychology are descriptions of the content in question. I would have to strain to read them as comments on other editors or their motivations. If our goal is to place Nishidani under a restriction that stops him from criticizing content, such a sanction should be explicit in saying so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Zero0000[edit]Sorry, I just don't get it. Where is the offense? Tryptofish made a bad edit and Nishidani explained why it is bad without making any claim about Tryptofish's motives. "Affirm" does not mean "confirm" except in specific legal contexts, so replacing "science affirmed" by "science provided evidence for" is simply wrong. "Science affirmed" means "Science asserted/claimed", which is quite different. Nishidani (who knows more about word usage than all of us combined) correctly pointed out the error using an analogy that fits perfectly. Zerotalk 02:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Nishidani 2[edit]
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NMW03
[edit]| Filing appears to have been in violation of WP:PROXYING, so closing as procedurally invalid, although this probably wasn't going to result in any sanctions regardless. Per Callanecc, more admin eyes on Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh (2022–present) would be good. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning NMW03[edit]
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2
Although it had been less than a month since NMW03 had been warned by Callanecc for WP:HOUNDING, NMW03 still continued following me around and getting into edit wars, not only on Wikipedia but following my account to Commons as well. And while stopping NMW03's bad faith attempt to delete my photo, I noticed that NMW03 had uploaded 500 photos of a "Young Wikipedians Wikicamp Azerbaijan" organization that, according to the description, is organized by the Ministry of Youth and Sports of Azerbaijan. Even more peculiar is that the indef-blocked and topic-banned Solavirum (talk · contribs · logs) is in these photos and appears to be teaching the camp. And as listed above in the final diff of the list, Solavirum made a deletion request on Commons and was consecutively given votes of support by three users who, like him, are also Azerbaijani Wiki admins, including NMW03. Seems that this Wikicamp Azerbaijan is not beyond gaming the consensus system on Wikimedia. I'm aware that Commons is a different project, but this seems relevant both because NMW03 followed me from Wikipedia to Commons and for the evidence of meatpuppeting on both sites. So not only is NMW03 still hounding after recently being explicitly told not to do that, NMW03 also seems to be a part of a meatpuppetry group for Wikimedia projects. R.Lemkin (talk) 04:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning NMW03[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by NMW03[edit]Putting a POV tag on an article that two other editors also had concerns about is not stalking. R.Lemkin, you don't own the Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh (2022–present) article, and simply editing the article (not even reverting any of your edits) is not harassment towards you. Last time, you claimed I was stalking you because my first edits to those articles were reverts of your edits. Now, my first edit does not even have anything to do with you. Red-tailed hawk has given a great reply to your claims in points two and eight. About the scare quotes, I did what Wikipedia guidelines told me to do. I'll let an admin decide whether that's valid or not. This is now R.Lemkin's second report of me within a month. There are things I'd like the admins to review in R.Lemkin's contributions too. In the Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh article, R.Lemkin removed a POV tag, saying that they've "Replied on the article's talk page" without waiting for any response from me, who added the POV tag, or two other editors who have expressed concern at the POV issues in the article. Also, R.Lemkin is demanding other editors to discuss every edit before they make it ("Please engage in the discussion before introducing more changes.", "if there any specific issue, it should be discussed and replied first (if you have a good rationale)"). The article also has copyright problems with several sources, all in the content added by R.Lemkin, which need to be looked at. See Earwig's copyvio detector for the problems. NMW03 (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Red-tailed hawk[edit]I write only with respect to the parts of this report that allege impropriety at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Rza Talibov as a pattern of cross-wiki bad faith behavior and/or Commons socking. Regarding that DR, if multiple AzWiki admins were present in a discussion, and they know that the uploader has previously engaged in deception and/or provided false information, it's a good thing that they would go to Commons and question the image submissions. And, as it turns out, there were multiple discussions on AzWiki not all that long ago about the behavior of the uploader of the images: and you will find NMW03 as a participant in at least one of them. Consequently, it doesn't look like NMW03 was Speaking as a Commons sysop, the participation in that DR on Commons doesn't look all that nefarious to me. It doesn't really serve as evidence of some sort of Commons socking ring, and the allegations of secret canvassing of Commons by "Wikicamp Azerbaijan" seem a bit off-base in light of the very public discussion about the uploader's conduct that began before AzWiki users began to comment on that DR. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by Kevo327[edit]@Tamzin @Callanecc My 2 cents – although NMW03 said they do not work for the Ministry of Youth and Sports, the photos NMW03 uploaded show the participants being given certificates and awards in images 379-463,[50][51] with Solavirum himself being awarded in 388.[52] And images 479-491 show participants lining up to receive bags of goods.[53][54] This means that the participants are receiving undisclosed compensation as defined in the Wikimedia Foundation Terms of Use WP:PCD. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning NMW03[edit]
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Outnproud
[edit]| Outnproud indefinitely blocked as a normal admin action shortly after this was filed, closing as there isn't anything else to do here. Hut 8.5 16:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Outnproud[edit]
Outnproud is an SPA who began their editing at FA J. K. Rowling with edit warring,12:3113:20 (after the 12:44 CT alert) and is now unhappy that consensus has not developed for their desired change to an FA, on a topic that was well covered at last year's Featured article review. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Outnproud[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Outnproud[edit]Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Outnproud[edit]
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Kevo327
[edit]| Kevo327 warned and 1RR/72h applied to Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh (2022–present). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Kevo327[edit]
Kevo327 has been repeatedly reverting edits made by Paul Vaurie on various articles with strange and demanding edit summaries. Kevo327 restores obvious POV wordings ("Ethnically cleanse the region of indigenous Armenians", "so-called 'eco-activists'", and "Many observers do not believe that Artsakh Armenians can live safely under President Aliyev's regime" among others) and tells Paul to discuss the edit first "with good rationale" in the edit summary. When Paul approaches Kevo327 about the revert, Kevo327 tells him to "gain consensus first" [57] before making an edit. In the third diff, Kevo327 reverts Paul again, restoring POV scare quotes and irrelevant material that was removed by Paul, demanding that the edit be explained in the talk page first. In the fourth diff, Kevo327 again reverts Paul, for the third time in a single day, and restores UNDUE wording in lead and irrelevant content in the article. Again, they demand that Paul discuss the edits in the talk page first. In the fifth diff, Kevo327 restores an exceptional claim one minute after posting a reply to my explanation of why the content was problematic. The source Kevo327 added, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) was a copy-paste of an article from Al-Masdar News, which actually cites SOHR as its own source. So, there's no actual source and these two articles cite each other as their source. Moreover, Kevo327 claims the source to be an "extremely reputable source" [58]. I find it weird how any editor can believe either Al-Masdar News (See #Notable reports, fake news and disinformation) or SOHR (See #Accuracy) can be described as such. In our discussion, Kevo327 ignores this citogenesis and tells me "If you can't grasp this, I suggest you disengage from the discussion" [59] and later "What is this and how do you expect others to see good faith in your comments? Because you just jump the ship every time your previous argument fails, and try to come up with something new to keep arguing." [60] Kevo327 is obviously here to spread their POV and not contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia. They are uncivil, do not assume good faith, and carefully edit war to not pass 3RR. Their behavior violates the recent WP:AA3 case's principles of Standards of editor behavior, Edit warring and Tendentious editing. Additionally, they were warned last year for using the CSD process politically. NMW03 (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC); edited 19:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Kevo327[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Kevo327[edit]Going through the diff list provides:
As if making an enforcement request over content disputes wasn't bad enough, in 3 out of 4 articles NMW03 has linked in their diffs list, they haven't even made a single comment on the respective talk pages. Maybe they should start discussing content first? - Kevo327 (talk) 17:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Paul Vaurie[edit]Will you stop dragging me into this? I have no interest in any arbitration/enforcement type of stuff. The way I see it is that some people have contrasting views on what should be in the page, and that doesn't require enforcement but simply dispute resolution. However, there are many problems with Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh (2022–present), including POV weasel words, which R.Lemkin and Kevo327 must recognize, and stop reverting constructive edits which really do not need discussion. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC) Summary by Callanecc[edit]
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Kevo327[edit]
Comments after reading the above and various talk pages:
Let me know if there are additional questions or concerns I should look at. Z1720 (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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