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Dear Life by Alice Munro
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did not like it
bookshelves: fiction, short-stories, traditionally-published, she-says, published2012

Story 1: To Reach Japan
A story about a woman who's determined to have an affair.

Now, I don't condone affairs. But sometimes I can understand them, e.g. Addicted by Zane. But here, no reason is given for Greta cheating. And it doesn't seem to matter who she's cheating with: any available and interested man will do. So it's not “love” affairs she's having.

My educated guess about why Greta is cheating on her husband is that she's bored. She's a poet who works from home and she has a small child.

The first guy she becomes enamored with is a journalist who takes her home when she becomes drunk at a party. In the car, they're talking and he says this:

"Excuse me for sounding how I did. I was thinking whether I would or wouldn't kiss you and I decided I wouldn't."

What an asshole! Not because, as Greta thinks, he's judging her “un-kiss-worthy” but because there is a drunk, married woman in his car and he's seeing her in a sexual way. What a jerk. What makes you think she wants to be kissed by you??!? How big of a creep are you to offer to drive a woman home from a party when she's drunk and then contemplate whether you should take advantage of her or not?!?! Also, she's married, you prick.

Unfortunately, Greta shares none of my compunctions about his behavior and starts daydreaming about the man constantly for a year. Then she writes him a letter of poetry and stuff and sends it to his work. WTF?!!?

Later, she enters affair number two. This is when her daughter Katy and herself are traveling to Toronto to live without her husband for a month because her husband is leaving the country. This actor is on the train, a play actor, and she describes him as “a boy” so I'm thinking he's at least 10 years younger than her. He entertains all the children on the train, and at the end of the day they start drinking, flirting, and touching. It's obvious to me by now that it doesn't matter who the frick the man is, she is just going after anyone with a penis – except her husband, I guess.

This conversation happens:

GRETA: "I haven't got any - " (condoms)
GREG: "I have."
GRETA: "Not on you?"
GREG: "Certainly not. What kind of beast do you think I am?"


Oh, I don't know.. THE KIND OF BEAST WHO PROPOSITIONS A MARRIED WOMAN RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER SLEEPING CHILD!?!?!!?!? I mean, her child is curled up sleeping right there. Classy. <---sarcasm

So she leaves her child, ALONE, and goes to Greg's compartment to have sex with him.

Then, after their finished having sex, she tells him she has to go back to her compartment. And he says:

""Okay. Okay. I should get ready for Saskatoon anyway. What if we'd got there just in the middle of it? Hello Mom. Hello Daddy. Excuse me just a minute here while I -Wa - hoo!"

*blink blink
What. A. Moron. Seriously. THIS is who you choose to have an affair with? This guy!?!? Incredible.

So she goes back to her compartment to find Katy is missing. She freaks out. Later she finds Katy, unharmed, who says she went to look for Mommy. Greta is feeling very guilty and shameful and as if Katy going missing was “punishment” for Greta having sex with Greg.

Then, in the final twist, (view spoiler)

This story left me pretty cold. I couldn't understand Greta or her motivations. She made bad choices, and I didn't even understand why. I was just annoyed with her for the whole story.

Story #2: Amundsen
A woman goes to a tuberculosis hospital to be a teacher. There is a doctor there who is an asshole. He's rude to everyone, even the children that adore him. For some reason, the woman starts to date him. He says mean things to her and to a little child. Next thing you know, she's having sex with him. He's still an asshole. He promises to marry her. But after a few months, and a “let's drive to Huntsville to get married” it turns out that it's “let's drive to Huntsville so I can put you on a train back to Toronto like all the other women I fucked and then discarded.” I have no sympathy for the main character. None. The doctor acted like a complete dick right in front of her numerous times, and she didn't say anything. He humiliated a little girl, calling her fat and mocking her – right in front of the MC, who didn't defend the child or stop dating him or anything. She just lets this guy use her and also lets him treat her and other people like crap.

While I think it is, of course, the asshole's fault for being an asshole, it's also her responsibility to say something when he's being mean and rude (especially to a child!) in front of her. I have no respect for a woman who just lets a man walk all over her like that. Grow some ovaries, woman! And it should be no surprise to her that if he has no respect for anyone, that he will eventually be rude and disrespectful to her, too.

Stories 3-7 So boring they are not even worth talking about.

Story #8: Train
This was a long story. I liked reading about the woman, Belle, living in abject poverty. But then Munro had to go and ruin everything by putting a weird sexual abuse undertone to the whole thing and it was disgusting. Also, nothing much happens in this story.

Story #9: In Sight of the Lake
This was actually a pretty good story, about an old woman who's going senile. Best story in the collection.

Story #10: Dolly
This was a pretty good story about the evils of Facebook. I mean, she doesn't use those terms, but that's what I got out of it. How dangerous it is to have ex-lovers come back into your life.

Story #11: The Eye
Boring.

Story #12: Night
There is a really good passage in here about evil thoughts.

Story #13: Voices
Boring.

Story #14: Dear Life
Boring.

Roly Grain, his name was, and he does not have any further part in what I'm writing now, because this is not a story, only life.”

This above quote, from Munro's last story, pretty much sums up the whole book. It's as if she were saying: “I'm sorry that these stories are so boring, but I must remind you they are LIFE. I will leave anything faintly interesting out of these stories because I want them to be REAL and TRUE and BORING just like life is. Not fiction, you know, which actually makes things interesting.” Uh-huh. Thanks but no thanks, Ms. Munro.
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I can't believe how much fuss is made over this author. She writes, in general, about asshole men who run roughshod over their women and women who are so passive and invertebrate that it seems that they only do not CARE about being dominated, they don't even realize they ARE being dominated. It's as if they are completely passive. With no thoughts or agency of their own.

P.S. Like Flannery O'Connor Lite - a good way to describe this book.

P.P.S. 9 out of 10 people in my book club did not enjoy this book.
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Reading Progress

April 20, 2014 – Shelved
September 9, 2014 – Started Reading
September 9, 2014 –
page 5
1.57% "When they went to see a movie, he never wanted to talk about it afterwards. He would say that it was good, or pretty good, or okay. he didn't see the point in going further. He watched television, he read a book in somewhat the same way. - Men like this drive me NUTS. Doesn't mean I don't date them, though."
September 9, 2014 –
page 13
4.08% ""Excuse me for sounding how I did. I was thinking whether I would or wouldn't kiss you and I decided I wouldn't." - What an asshole!"
September 9, 2014 –
page 22
6.9% ""I haven't got any - " (condoms)
"I have."
"Not on you?"
"Certainly not. What kind of beast do you think I am?" - Oh, I don't know.. THE KIND OF BEAST WHO PROPOSITIONS A MARRIED WOMAN RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER SLEEPING CHILD!?!?!!?!?"
September 9, 2014 –
page 23
7.21% ""Okay. Okay. I should get ready for Saskatoon anyway. What if we'd got there just in the middle of it? Hello Mom. Hello Daddy. Excuse me just a minute here while I -Wa - hoo!" - What. A. Moron. Seriously. THIS is who you choose to have an affair with? This guy!?!? Incredible."
September 9, 2014 –
page 36
11.29% "He was evidently the sort of person who posed questions that were traps for you to fall into. - I hate when people are like this."
September 10, 2014 –
page 47
14.73% ""I sort of feel as if I'd promised her."
"Well. Now you can sort of unpromise her. It will be dreadful, believe me." - First sign that this guy is an asshole. Won't be the last."
September 10, 2014 –
page 49
15.36% ""Settembrini is more humane but Naphta is more interesting."
"They tell you that in school?"
"I never read it in school," I said coolly. - Listen, this guy is an asshole. Stop dating him."
September 10, 2014 –
page 55
17.24% ""And you could just as well do without any of those cookies. You could quit eating cookies altogether. You're on the way to getting plump as a young pig." - Fuck you, asshole. How dare you talk to a child who adores you this way."
September 10, 2014 –
page 56
17.55% "He had been brutal. It shocked me, that he had been so brutal. To one so much in need. But he had done it for me, in a way. So that his time with me should not be taken away. This thought flattered me and I was ashamed that it flattered me. - Fuck you too, lady. You have terrible taste in men."
September 10, 2014 –
page 57
17.87% "He did not want me to say anything. he took me to bed. Had this been in the cards all along, or was it almost as much of a surprise to him as it was to me? My state of virginity at least did not appear to be a surprise- he provided a towel as well as a condom... - Another asshole move. You're letting him fuck you!?!!? What are you THINKING?! Do you have no self-respect!?!? Grow a spine!"
September 10, 2014 –
page 66
20.69% "I am very disappointed with this book so far."
September 10, 2014 –
page 90
28.21% "That was a story basically about nothing."
September 10, 2014 –
page 153
47.96% "This book is so boring. I guess I'll finish it tomorrow. Boring, boring, boring."
September 10, 2014 –
page 157
49.22% "Some creepy fortune hunter was bound to snatch her up... She seemed both bold and childish. At first, a man might be intrigued by her, but then her forwardness, her self-satisfaction, if that's what it was, would become tiresome. Of course, there was money, and to some men that never became tiresome. - Fuck you, Howard."
September 11, 2014 –
page 190
59.56% "My great-aunt lived in abject poverty just like the woman in this story."
September 11, 2014 –
page 211
66.14% "When they were walking they might brush hands, and he made himself get used to that. then when she changed the accidental to the deliberate, he found that he could get used to that also, overcoming a slight dismay.
He grew calmer, and was even prepared for kissing.
- Kissing! Prepare yourself! ¡Prepárate! :) Yay, kissing..."
September 11, 2014 –
page 248
77.74% "As the shops and their signs were an insult, and the noise of the cars with their stops and starts. Everywhere the proclaiming, this is life. As if we needed it, more of life."
September 11, 2014 –
page 307
96.24% "Roly Grain, his name was, and he does not have any further part in what I'm writing now, because this is not a story, only life. - Yes, that's blatantly obvious, Munro, thank you. These stories are so flippin' boring that they could only be "life.""
September 11, 2014 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Joe (new)

Joe Excellent review, Carmen. I see nothing to suggest that I am the demographic for Alice Munro at all. It sounds as if she perpetrates a lot of hooptedoodle, at least in this book. The whole affair seems filled with the sort of writing I typically skip over because it's so boring.


Carmen Yes, I don't even feel bad, seeing as Caroline couldn't even finish it and the ladies in my book club were very dissatisfied as well.

Nice use of the word "hooptedoodle," by the way. :)


message 3: by Caroline (last edited Sep 12, 2014 07:56AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Caroline LOTS of hooptedoodle, Joe. Don't waste your time...unless you have insomnia and need a quick cure.

Carmen, I'm SO with you. That first story...I didn't buy it. She has an affair because...just because. Nope. That's not how it works. People do things for a reason. It was like that with so many of these stories. Munro was like To hell with a reason! Who says someone needs to have a reason to kill themselves?!

What a laugh. Dreary and "up-for-interpretation" (I think that must have been what she was aiming for) does not good literature make in this case.


Carmen I totally agree, Caroline. No motivations, no opinions, ... it was like the female characters in this book just had no thoughts at all. It annoyed me to no end, when I wasn't busy being bored to death!

But, this was NOT a hit at my book club, so - we're not alone! :)


Cher 'N Books Ugh! Have you read anything else by her, Carmen? I wonder if all of her books are like this or if this particular collection is just a dud.


Carmen No, unfortunately this is my first exposure to Munro.

The one, lone woman in group who liked the book had read 3 other story collections by Munro, and said (that while she enjoyed this one) it was her least favorite of the 4!

So perhaps there's hope...? I doubt it, though.


message 7: by Chris (new)

Chris Carmen wrote: "No, unfortunately this is my first exposure to Munro."

Uh oh! As we all know, "you never get a second chance to make a first impression." I find that saying to be especially true for authors. After reading an awful first book, I can't honestly think of an author whom I gave a second chance. :-/


Carmen Great points, Chris! And I don't intend on reading more of her stuff. She won the Nobel Prize, though...


Caroline Chris wrote: "Uh oh! As we all know, "you never get a second chance to make a first impression." I find that saying to be especially true for authors. After reading an awful first book, I can't honestly think of an author whom I gave a second chance. :-/"

I believe the only time I've ever done this has been with Jane Austen, and I gave her three chances. I'm not bothering with anything else by Munro. Even if her other collections might be better, I can't imagine they'd be so significantly better that my assessment of her storytelling ability would change to any major degree.


Carmen Caroline - I agree about Munro. And 3 chances to Austen means 1/2 her novels! :)


Caroline Carmen wrote: "Caroline - I agree about Munro. And 3 chances to Austen means 1/2 her novels! :)"

Is it 1/2? I didn't realize.


Carmen I think she only published 6 novels. I could be wrong.


Caroline Carmen wrote: "I think she only published 6 novels. I could be wrong."

As a fan of Austen, you'd know better than I would! Plus, I think she died pretty darn young.


Carmen Wow. I never thought of myself as an Austen fan before! *beams happily


message 15: by Kaaren (last edited Feb 27, 2015 03:29AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Kaaren Nafar Thank you. It's boring, so I'm skimming over most of it. And I'm missing a lot, so your summaries really helped.


message 16: by Jill (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jill Agreed - only read the first one and decided to give it to charity shop.


Carmen Jill wrote: "Agreed - only read the first one and decided to give it to charity shop."

That was a good, smart choice, Jill. I swear, I can't understand the hype surrounding this book.


Carmen Kaaren wrote: "Thank you. It's boring, so I'm skimming over most of it. And I'm missing a lot, so your summaries really helped."

Kaaren - I agree. Boring and a waste of time!


Kaaren Nafar Carmen wrote: "Kaaren wrote: "Thank you. It's boring, so I'm skimming over most of it. And I'm missing a lot, so your summaries really helped."

Kaaren - I agree. Boring and a waste of time!"


It's sad that she won a Nobel prize. I believe the Nobel prize is worthless.


Carmen It's not only literature that makes me scratch my head sometimes, wondering why a prize was awarded. o.O


Kaaren Nafar T. S Elliot won one too. What do you expect?


message 22: by Peter (new)

Peter THANK YOU! My wife and I struggled through the first two stories (trying to be good team players in our book club). WE HATED THEM. We both read a lot and are pretty tolerant of varying styles. These stories essentially had NOTHING redeeming about them! I am a psychiatrist and thought, "Why would I spend my FREE TIME filling my head with more RELATIONSHIP DYSFUNCTION?!" We're gonna be polite at the book club, but we decided NOT to read further. Your review was very reassuring that we didn't stop too soon. (I am kinda baffled at all the glowing reviews I saw here on Goodreads. I just don't get it.)


message 23: by Carmen (last edited May 31, 2015 08:56PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Carmen LOL Glad to inform you that you weren't the only one, Peter. I "just don't get it" either. o.O

P.S. I was NOT polite at book club... :) ;)


Irrestry Naritasari I try to cooperate with the book, try to grasp the background, the characters thought to keep me attract with the book. But, reading this, I think I dont need to push my self to like the book. Honestly, I dont like it!. This is my first exposure to Munro story, and after reading this, I dont think I will read her another story. Thank you for your review


Carmen You're welcome, Irrestry. It's definitely okay if you don't like this. I know everyone says "Alice Munro is a national treasure" but that doesn't mean her writing is for everyone. It's certainly not for me.


message 26: by Laura (new) - rated it 1 star

Laura LOL! Love your analyses of the first two stories. I quit after story #3. I just couldn't care about any of the characters and the stupid decisions they made. Greta especially was one of the most atrocious characters who has ever taken up space on a page.


Carmen LOL Thanks, Laura, I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion of this book!


message 28: by Saud (new)

Saud First time reading Alice Munro, and while the stories kept me hooked, it was more because I was expecting more to happen, than actually transpired! As disappointing the first story was, the second topped it! I was speechless, the characters are flimsy, and their actions are completely unexplained! Amundsen started off alright, but then took a nosedive I have yet to find in another work so highly praised! Your review restored my sanity!


Carmen First time reading Alice Munro, and while the stories kept me hooked, it was more because I was expecting more to happen, than actually transpired! As disappointing the first story was, the second topped it! I was speechless, the characters are flimsy, and their actions are completely unexplained! Amundsen started off alright, but then took a nosedive I have yet to find in another work so highly praised! Your review restored my sanity!

Thank you, Saud! I understand people love her and she is a Canadian national treasure, but I just couldn't stand her stories. :(


Janall My thoughts exactly!


Yvette Adams Thank you for your review! I've read 8 stories and finding them all quite boring and wondering what the other it. I came here looking for readers' favourites from the book, to see if i should continue or give m abort now (which is so unlike me!). Thanks to your review I'm reading 3 more and skipping 3. 😁


Carmen Thank you for your review! I've read 8 stories and finding them all quite boring and wondering what the other it. I came here looking for readers' favourites from the book, to see if i should continue or give m abort now (which is so unlike me!). Thanks to your review I'm reading 3 more and skipping 3. 😁

You're welcome, Yvette! Good luck!


Cecily Although I enjoyed this collection, I agree with most of what you say about the first story. It was nasty (which I wouldn't necessarily mind!) but felt utterly implausible, with no attempt to suggest motivation or thought processes.

I was also intrigued by your comment on Train's weird sexual angle; I read the main character as asexual (though there was passing mention of abuse by/of others).

Anyway, I'm sure you've long, deliberately, forgotten as much as you can of it.


Tridip Ranjan Hazarika Accurate review. I stopped reading this filth at the middle of the second story. It was a horrific waste of time.


Carmen Tridip Ranjan Hazarika wrote: "Accurate review. I stopped reading this filth at the middle of the second story. It was a horrific waste of time."

Thank you, Tridip. Glad I'm not the only one!


Sara the Librarian To be fair Roly Grain is a pretty great name so I see wanting to at least mention it.


Carmen Sara wrote: "To be fair Roly Grain is a pretty great name so I see wanting to at least mention it."

Ha ha, right! LOL


Carmen Although I enjoyed this collection, I agree with most of what you say about the first story. It was nasty (which I wouldn't necessarily mind!) but felt utterly implausible, with no attempt to suggest motivation or thought processes.

I was also intrigued by your comment on Train's weird sexual angle; I read the main character as asexual (though there was passing mention of abuse by/of others).

Anyway, I'm sure you've long, deliberately, forgotten as much as you can of it.


Thanks, Cecily. Sorry I didn't see your comment until now.


message 39: by Diane (new) - rated it 1 star

Diane Chaniewski I'm 3 stories in, and I cannot believe how much I am disliking this collection.


Carmen Diane wrote: "I'm 3 stories in, and I cannot believe how much I am disliking this collection."

Glad I'm not alone, Diane!


message 41: by JimZ (new) - rated it 3 stars

JimZ I don't think you liked 'To Reach Japan'. 🙃 🤪 (Neither did I.)


Carmen JimZ wrote: "I don't think you liked 'To Reach Japan'. 🙃 🤪 (Neither did I.)"

Ha ha, thanks, Jim!


Melki I love your P.P.S. Is it weird that I feel sorry for the one person who did enjoy the book?


Carmen Melki wrote: "I love your P.P.S. Is it weird that I feel sorry for the one person who did enjoy the book?"

Ha ha, you mean because everyone else hated it? Munro seems to have quite a rabid following. I am often the outlier in book groups, but I'm always the only person who hates whatever book is in question, LOL. I wouldn't feel sorry for her, everyone knows book group is a safe space to express your true opinions. I don't participate in book groups where this is not the case; for example, in some book clubs you are not allowed to be critical of the book. I haven't been to a book club since Covid, though, sadly. GR is my book club now.


message 45: by Cara (new)

Cara Great review, Carmen!! but I hope your next book is definitely better💛!!!!


Carmen Cara wrote: "Great review, Carmen!! but I hope your next book is definitely better💛!!!!"

Thank you, Cara!


message 47: by Fenton (new)

Fenton Greta in To Reach Japan is not supposed to be a sympathetic character - far from it.
I think it's a pretty good story.


Carmen Fenton wrote: "Greta in To Reach Japan is not supposed to be a sympathetic character - far from it.
I think it's a pretty good story."


I'm glad you think so, Fenton.


Joan I enjoyed this book but I absolutely love your review.


Miranda Your review made me laugh, haha!


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