ANSI C50.13 Comparision With IEC60034

2006 UPDATE OF IEEE/ANSI C50.
13-2005 STANDARD FOR LARGE TURBINE

GENERATORS AND HARMONIZATION WITH THE IEC 60034 SERIES
John D. Amos
Siemens
Orlando, FL USA.
INTRODUCTION
WG-2 (Advisory Group to IEC) of the Generator
Subcommittee (Synchronous Machinery Subcommittee)
completed the task of comparing the updated IEEE Std
C50.13-2005(13) standard for electrical machinery with the
corresponding International Electrotechnical Commission
(IEC 60034-3(4), 60034-1(3)) standards.
Sudden Short Circuit

Both IEEE and IEC are pretty consistent on this
requirement. However, IEC does clearly specify the
subsequent high voltage test requirements.
IEC 60034-1 covers general requirements for all rotating

electrical machinery and IEC 60034-3 covers the specifics
of cylindrical rotor synchronous machines to be applied
with steam and combustion turbines. IEEE/ANSI C50.132005 covers cylindrical-rotor synchronous generators
driven by steam and combustion turbines.
Faulty Synchronization
IEEE has specific guidelines for faulty synchronizations
and estimates on the extent of possible damage and repair
requirements. However, IEC only briefly reference faulty
synchronizations in the sudden short circuit section.
The objective of this paper is to highlight the main

differences that remain between the newly revised IEEE
Std C50.13-2005 and the recently revised 2004 eleventh
edition of IEC 60034-1 and the 2005 fifth edition of IEC
60034-3.
Over-speed Testing
Both IEEE and IEC are consistent on this 120%
requirement. However, IEEE requires a 2 minute test but
has a safety stipulation. IEC requires 2 minutes without
any special consideration.
The IEEE Std C50.13-2005 is a consolidation of the

previously separate ANSI C50.10(5), ANSI C50.13(7),
ANSI C50.14 (8), and ANSI C50.15(9).
Winding Short-time Thermal Requirements

Both IEEE and IEC have the same requirements for stator
windings. However, IEEE has specific short-time rotor
thermal requirements as stated below, while the IEC does
not specify any short-time rotor thermal requirements.
HIGHLIGHTS OF DIFFERENCES IN IEC 60034

SERIES AND IEEE C50.13 STANDARDS
There have been significant strides in harmonizing the
IEEE and IEC Standards. The following points highlight
the key differences that still exist.
125% of rated load rotor current for 1 minute

I = 100
Temperature Limits
Table 1 shows a brief comparison of the new IEEE and
IEC observable temperature limits.
The table clearly
shows the close alignment of the IEEE and IEC observable
temperatures for Class B operation. IEEE maintains the
requirement for hot spot temperature limits in addition to
observable temperatures while IEC continues to reference
the requirement for observable temperatures only.
33.75
+ 1 for 10s to 120s
t
Short-time negative-sequence current capability

Both IEEE and IEC have the same requirements for
negative sequence currents. However, they differ in shorttime capability requirements as seen below.
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IEEE short-time negative-sequence current capability:

Type of generator rotor
Indirectly cooled
Directly cooled up
800MVA
800MVA to 1600MVA
SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
to
Minimum I 2 t
30
10
As seen above, there has been significant work in

harmonizing IEEE and IEC cylindrical synchronous
generator standards. There are several key points to
continue to follow and harmonize. WG-2 (Advisory
Group to IEC) of the Generator Subcommittee
(Synchronous Machinery Subcommittee) suggest that
we continue with the harmonization efforts and
request input from end users of both IEEE C50-132005 and IEC 60034-1 and 60034-3 Standards to
provide input to assist in continuing to identify the
key requirements to further align and harmonize
between the standards.
10-(0.00625)(MVA-800)
IEC short-time negative-sequence current capability:

Type of generator rotor
Indirectly cooled
Directly cooled between
350 and 900MVA
900MVA to 1600MVA
Maximum I 2 t
15
8-0.00545(MVA-350)
5
Required Slot Embedded Temperature Detectors

IEEE require minimum of 12 stator slot embedded
temperature detectors for indirectly cooled generators
while IEC require only 6 slot embedded temperature
detectors.
Shaft Vibration
IEEE reference ISO 7919 shaft vibration limits while IEC
doesnt reference any specific requirement.
Hydrogen Cooled Generator Precautions
This new Annex A (normative) added to IEC 60034-3 fifth
edition was added to give guidance on design features and
operating procedures that are intended to avoid the
occurrence or ignition of an ignitable mixture of hydrogen
and air either in or around the generator. IEEE C50.132005 doesnt have an equivalent section or appendix.
Machine housing and cover plates
IEC 60034-3 fifth edition has a re-wording of the
following requirement:
Section 6.3
A hydrostatic pressure test shall be made to check the
strength of the housing and cover plates.
The previous edition of this standard had the following
stipulation:
"If required by the purchaser at the time of the order".
Several members of the IEC working group noticed this
change after the fifth edition was release and submitted
requests to have the language changed back to its original
text. This will be an action of the next working group of
IEC 60034-3.
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TABLE 1 (COMPARISON OF IEC AND IEEE TEMPERATURE LIMITS)

Indirectly-Air-Cooled Stator and Radially- Air-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits
Items
Codes
Hot spot temperature, C
ANSI B
IEC B
ANSI F
130
Stator RTD observable, C
155
125 - (KV-12)
125 - (KV-12)
old value = 110
Rotor Average, C
150 - (KV-12)
old value = 130
120
120
135
old value = 125
old value = 145
Indirectly-Hydrogen-Cooled Stator and Radially- H2-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

Items
Codes

Stator RTD observable, C
ANSI B
IEC B
ANSI F
130
155
110 - (KV-12)
110 - (KV-12)
old value = 110
Rotor Average, C
130 - (KV-12)
old value = 130
120
120
135
old value = 125
old value = 145
Water-Cooled-Stator & Hydrogen-Axially-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

Items
Codes
ANSI B
IEC B
130
Stator RTD observable (not preferred) , C
120
Stator Cooling Water Outlet, C
90
90
Rotor Average (axially cooled) , C
105
105
NOTE: The total temperatures above assume a cold coolant of 40C and directly cooled rotor outlets greater than 14.
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6.
IEEE/ANSI C50.12, Requirements for Salient-Pole

Synchronous Generators and Generator/Motors for
Hydraulic Turbine Applications, 1989
7.
IEEE/ANSI C50.13, Requirements for Cylindrical

Rotor Synchronous Generators, 1989
8.
IEEE/ANSI C50.14, Requirements for Combustion

Gas Turbine Driven Cylindrical Rotor Synchronous
Generators, 1977
9.
IEEE/ANSI C50.15, Hydrogen cooled, Combustion

Gas Turbine Driven Cylindrical Rotor Synchronous
Generators - Requirements, 1989
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Specific
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- Synchronous Machines, 1990
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What are the main differences that remain between the IEEE and IEC standards?

What are the main differences that remain between the IEEE and IEC standards?

What are some examples of temperature limits specified in each standard?

What are some examples of temperature limits specified in each standard?

2006 UPDATE OF IEEE/ANSI C50.

13-2005 STANDARD FOR LARGE TURBINE

Sudden Short Circuit

IEC 60034-1 covers general requirements for all rotating

The objective of this paper is to highlight the main

The IEEE Std C50.13-2005 is a consolidation of the

Winding Short-time Thermal Requirements

HIGHLIGHTS OF DIFFERENCES IN IEC 60034

125% of rated load rotor current for 1 minute

Short-time negative-sequence current capability

IEEE short-time negative-sequence current capability:

SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS

As seen above, there has been significant work in

IEC short-time negative-sequence current capability:

Required Slot Embedded Temperature Detectors

TABLE 1 (COMPARISON OF IEC AND IEEE TEMPERATURE LIMITS)

Hot spot temperature, C

Stator RTD observable, C

old value = 110

old value = 125

old value = 145

Indirectly-Hydrogen-Cooled Stator and Radially- H2-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

Hot spot temperature, C

old value = 125

old value = 145

Water-Cooled-Stator & Hydrogen-Axially-Cooled-Rotor Generator Limits

Hot spot temperature, C

Stator RTD observable (not preferred) , C

Stator Cooling Water Outlet, C

Rotor Average (axially cooled) , C

IEEE/ANSI C50.12, Requirements for Salient-Pole

IEEE/ANSI C50.13, Requirements for Cylindrical

IEEE/ANSI C50.14, Requirements for Combustion

IEEE/ANSI C50.15, Hydrogen cooled, Combustion

Gott, B. E. B. ,McCown, W. R. ,Montgomery, L. W.,

IEC 60034-1, Rotating Electrical Machines - Part 1:

IEC 60034-3, Rotating Electrical Machines - Part 3:

10. IEC 85, Thermal Evaluation and Classification of

IEEE/ANSI C50.10, Rotating Electrical Machinery

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