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Swedish exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Latvian exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as none of these (without exception?) have been ruled by Latvia throughout history, there is no natural connection between Latvia and a set group of cities to establish a selection, making it fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Geschichte (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 04:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese football in 2006–07 UEFA competitions

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Content should be merged to 2006–07 in Portuguese football, not notable as its own topic. No other similar articles in this variety exist. WP:NOTSTATS also applies. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom. Giant Snowman 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I was initially going to say delete as a WP:CONTENTFORK of three club's seasons but that's a better idea. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish football clubs in European competitions 1990–1999

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WP:NOTSTATS applies. Article contains no prose/context, no references, and no relevant external links. It's just pure statistics, and adds no value. Useful information that is better contextualized is already available at Turkish football clubs in European competitions. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom. Giant Snowman 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Europe of Sovereign Nations (party)

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The relevant article already exists Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. The existence of a second article is abusive, all the more so if it offers the reader nothing different or new in terms of information. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose legally distinct entities: see ECR party & group; EPP party & group Braganza (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the essential difference between the two? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

one is a european party, the other is a group

FvD is member of the party but not the group Braganza (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just like at the national level, European parties are extra-parliamentary entities, while political groups are entities that operate only within the confines of the (European) Parliament. Membership is different, leadership is different, rules are different, roles are different, names and logos are (often) different, etc. Julius Schwarz (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Indeed, seems like a clear case of confusing European political party and political group of the European Parliament. Should have read the disambiguation page Europe of Sovereign Nations. Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose, it is a separate entity and has one different member.--Jay942942 (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, a party and a European parliamentary group are different, there is also seperate articles for the ECR group and the ECR party, I can understand the arguments to delete this page since the ESN is small but we should be consitent on it --LuanLoud (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia, I'm curious about your deletion nomination. How can the presence of a related article on Wikipedia be considered "abusive"? Abusive to who? It's just after looking at thousands of AFD discussions, it's an argument I've never come across before and I'd like to know what you meant. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I picked the wrong word. I meant excessive (too much)- two articles on the same subject. Sorry if I confused you. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not the same subject though. ElTres (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Do those !voting "oppose" perhaps mean "keep"? See WP:DISCUSSAFD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, oppose the proposed deletion. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. This is not identical to the sovereign nations group, but as long as the party remains aspirational, and the article simply instead lists constitutent members that are parties that form the group, the reader would be better served by having this all in one place. Should this become an actual party it is almost certain that reliable sources would cover it as such and at that point it would merit its own article. We are not there yet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parties do not form a group, MEPs form a group. ElTres (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This the best solution ! Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely not the best solution. These are two distinct legal entities, with different members, different leaders, and different roles. There is no reason to merge these two articles. Even if the Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) did not register as a European political party, it would deserve its own page as a political alliance, of which there are many -- as it would still be distinct from the Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. Julius Schwarz (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are not two legal entities at this time. Even if there were, the different legal entities are not the reason for having an article page. Both entities would need to be independently notable. At this stage the party is not independently notable. If and when it becomes a reality, and when secondary sources then discuss it, that would be when there should be a page. Until then, it is detail that should be on the group page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is objectively false: there are indeed two separate legal entities. The Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) is not yet endowed with European legal personality, but it is indeed registered as an association in Germany and exists as such. And, although notability is more subjective, the two entities are indeed independently notable, as they do not have the same members and roles. Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is about a party (that does not exist) and not about a precursor association. But again, what we need are secondary sources discussing the party. We don't have any, so this does not meet WP:GNG. When it actually becomes a party, that is likely to change. But to date we have nothing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to change "party" to "alliance" or "political alliance" in the title of the page. However, there seems to be a rather strong consensus against deleting this page. Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The party does exist. Proof can be found in Handelsregister Berlin under registration number VR 41308. It just has not yet been registered as European Political Party by the APPF. I agree that secondary sources were missing from the article and have added some. ElTres (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Handelsregister Berlin" is a primary source, so not suitable for WP. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an opinion, no, but for fact? How is a register not a good source for the fact that something is registered? Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my analysis of the 3 new sources you added. They do not change my view. Per WP:SUSTAINED, we see that Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Articles saying what the AfD intends to do are not sufficient to write an article about a party that does not exist yet. The information is not irrelevant but a reader is poorly served in having to locate and read an article about a party that has not yet come into existence when this information would be better placed on the page about the group and the page about the AfD.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Tagesschau - AfD will Europäische Partei gründen (AfD wants to found a European party) [1]	Tagesschau is a German national news programme/service hosted by a public service broadcaster. Independent and reliable.		The article discusses their plans, and why they are in a hurry to do this - to access funding - but it confirms no such party exists. This information is current for the Alternative fur Deutschland page, but it cannot tell us about this party as an entity, because it doesn't exist yet. This does not significantly describe the party. It does not tell us what the party is. It cannot even tell us the party will definitely come into being. Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability and so an article about something that does not exist should not exist. There are existing articles where this information should be discussed.	✘ No
RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland - AfD plant Gründung von neuer europäischer Partei (AfD plans to establish new European party) [2]	RDN is the news network for Madsack Media Group which has political control but is independent from the AfD		The same issue as above. The article is about plans, and the desire to access funding. It confirms that the party does not exist yet.	✘ No
ThePostOnline (NL) FVD sluit zich aan bij Europe of Sovereign Nations (FVD joins Europe of Sovereign Nations) [3]	TPO is a Dutch news website. Privately owned but independent.	? They aspire to be like Fox news or CNN and rely heavily on comment. I am not sure if they are considered reliable or not.	The article is about the FVD (Forum voor Democratie) joining the ESB. All we have is Forum voor Democratie (FVD) heeft zich, ondanks afwezigheid in het Europees Parlement, aangesloten bij de nieuwe rechtse politieke beweging Europe of Sovereign Nations. Deze beweging is opgericht door de Duitse partij Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), die eerder werd uitgesloten van de fractie Identiteit en Democratie. That is Forum for Democracy (FVD) has joined the new right-wing political movement Europe of Sovereign Nations, despite its absence in the European Parliament. This movement was founded by the German party Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which was previously excluded from the Identity and Democracy group. That is not significant coverage from which an article can be written.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nom. has nominated deletion, so per nom. would be delete yes? Those stating oppose above probably mean keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i think he means norm like in "normal" Braganza (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Also, arguments like "oppose per nom" makes no sense because if you oppose this article's deletion, then how can you agree with the nominator that it should be deleted? It would be helpful if participants used the standard words, Keep, Delete, Merge, Redirect or Draftify.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it's a legally distinct entity with separate membership and structural organization. If we have Volt, European Communist Action, &c, we should keep this This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What secondary sources cover it? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep no reason to delete Braganza (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The more my research on the party progresses, the more I am convinced that it should be deleted. And it's obvious since the article is primarily based on primary sources and has a problem of original research as I have already pointed out with the relevant tag. Meanwhile, those in favour of keeping make no effort to substantiate the notability of the article on the basis of Wikipedia's policy. Probably because they can't. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It has already been pointed out that it is a separate entity from the correspondent EP group, with its own separate leadership and membership. It has already been pointed out that the party has been officially registered as party, and is therefore a legal entity on its own (and not just the idea of a project). It has already been pointed out that the existence of pages for EP groups and European parties bearing the same names and containing potentially overlapping information is a standard in the specific context of European politics. Deleting the page for merely procedural reasons would be a mistake to me.--Fm3dici97 (talk) 21:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are two different organizations: a European political party and a European parliamentary group. I see absolutely no point in deleting the party page. I see the problems that this page has, but even they are not a reason for deleting. It's like deleting an article about the European People's Party, merging it into the EPP group (or vice versa). PLATEL (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But there is not a political party as it hasn't yet been registered as a political party. Registration is pending. But even if we take the pre-registered association as something, there remain no reliable secondary sources covering this. If the party were registered, we might presume notability, but until that happens, it is entirely possible that registration would be withdrawn and it would never be notable. If there were reliable secondary sources significantly covering the party, then it would pass GNG. At this stage neither is true. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no European political party at this point, as registration is pending, but there is a political alliance, as has already been pointed out several times. Sure, there may need to be further sources, but this shortcoming does not seem to warrant (in the eyes of almost all contributors here) the proposed merger. Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([4], [5], [6] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([7], [8], [9], [10], [11]) Visions [de] ([12], [13] + some information in [14], [15]) and Ox-Fanzine ([16], [17], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Please consider the new sources brought into this discussion.
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Daniel Jubani

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6 games in Albania’s highest league, continued in the semi-pro second tier before playing one last season in the Kategoria Superiore. I couldn't find any sources to make this person meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. This is too brief, and this is too reliant on quotes, 2 of the 3 sections about Jubani are exclusively made up of quotes. Geschichte (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fatmir Mehmet

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Bio stub of a Kosovo liberation fighter whose death seems to have attracted widespread coverage, though the independence of the sources cited is not clear to me. Tagged for notability for nine months so bringing here for consensus. Mccapra (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Public image of Mother Teresa

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Articles for deletion/Criticism of Mother Teresa

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Started as a WP:POVFORK [18] and since then it has changed quite a bit but it never really improved. This article is not about her public image, which is overwhelmingly positive, (and not a notable topic which does not pass WP:GNG), it is about certain criticisms of her. For some reason the article got moved [19]. Criticism should be in the main article and this POVFORK should be removed. Polygnotus (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm COI on this because 1.) a family friend ran some of Mother Teresa's US PR stuff and 2.) Mother Teresa holds special, positive importance in a private element of my life. However, I'm of the opinion that this article, while possibly a bit OR-heavy, strikes me as generally neutral and notable. I can elaborate, but I feel my COI precludes me from seriously inserting myself any further here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbritti: COI users are allowed to have an opinion (even those who disagree with me

). See WP:COIEDIT and WP:COIADVICE. Do you know any reliable sources that are about her public image and not her as a person? Do you think it is a good idea that all criticism was removed from the article about her and moved to this, far more obscure, article? And that, possibly as a result of the move from Criticism of... to Public image of..., the criticism got hidden even further down the page? Polygnotus (talk) 02:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your encouragement to discussion! Perusing JSTOR, I'm finding some pieces like this. Generally, they come from the late 1990s and are heaving on the sociology (not necessarily bad, especially in a subjective subject). I have objections over centering criticisms like Hitchens's on her biographical article—one of a few significant marks against his legacy—but generally agree that we need to exercise caution in any diminishment of sustained and impactful criticism. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is interesting to see how some people are overly cautious with anything approaching COI while others... are not. ;-) Of course, the criticism comes not just from Hitchens. People like Aroup Chatterjee and Tariq Ali and Mihir Bose and even people who worked for her like Hemley Gonzalez and Susan Shields et cetera have famously criticized her work. There are a lot of very important people who said very positive things about her; let's be fair and balance that out with some of the criticism. MLK jr got a criticism section. You can probably write a criticism section for Ghandi. I am quoting myself, and when I wrote that the Mother Teresa article still had a criticism section. No matter what happens here, the criticism will return anyway. It never left, despite attempts to hide it. Polygnotus (talk) 02:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbritti: sorry I forgot to ping. Polygnotus (talk) 02:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critics say grossly inadequate medical care was given to the sick and dying. Syringes were reused without sterilisation, pain relief was non-existent or negligible, and conditions were unhygienic. Meanwhile, Mother Teresa spent much of her time travelling around the world in a private plane to meet political leaders. -- The Guardian. Polygnotus (talk) 03:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at WP:SIZESPLIT, over 9000 words means "Probably should be divided or trimmed". The main article currently got only 5000 words. I flipped it around. If it would be fair then that shouldn't matter, right? But it does cause it isn't.

Finally, how competent are the sisters at managing pain? On a short visit, I could not judge the power of the spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn the formulary includes no strong analgesics. Along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks Mother Teresa's approach as clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know which I prefer.' Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet from 1990 to 1995. PMID: 7818649 DOI: 10.1016/s0140-6736(94)92353-1 Polygnotus (talk) 09:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Polygnotus: I still feel too COI to formally !vote, but you've convinced me. I now favor deletion. Thanks for your comments. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article was previously nominated for deletion on August 2023. The article's current title came as a result of that discussion. I was the one who removed the criticism section but I retained the criticism against her since it would be a violation of NPOV to remove it. You do not need such a section to include criticism about a person. The NPOV policy discourages such sections anyway. StephenMacky1 (talk) 12:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, or merge - clear WP:POVFORK, and the lack of criticism in the main article is now notable by its absence. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider whether it is better to Delete this article or Merge some content back into the main article.
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Redirect to Mother Teresa#Legacy and depictions in popular culture — Maile (talk) 03:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I think the topic itself is notable, having found multiple academic sources attesting the notability of the subject's public image, such as in popular discourse or media culture. A selection of examples follow:
- Arvind Rajagopal, "Celebrity and the Politics of Charity: Memories of a Missionary Departed" (Routledge, 1999)
- Gëzim Alpion, Mother Teresa: Saint or Celebrity? (Routledge, 2006), https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203087510
- Daniel T. Kline, "Digital Hagiography: Princess Diana, Mother Teresa, and Medieval Women in Cyberspace", College Literature 28, no. 2 (Spring 2001): 92–117, https://www.jstor.org/stable/25112585
- Gaston Roberge, "Mother Teresa, Abortion, and the Media" (Routledge, 2011)
- Gëzim Alpion, "Why Are Modern Spiritual Icons Absent in Celebrity Studies? The Role of Intermediaries in Enhancing Mother Teresa's Advocacy in India and Australia Prior to the 1979 Nobel Peace Prize", Celebrity Studies 11, no. 2 (2020): 221–236, https://doi.org/10.1080/19392397.2019.1567366

The difficulty, of course, is that the current version of the article is not based on this literature. Instead it's a mashup of some stuff about legacy like the sainthood plus specific criticisms. I suppose there might be a case the article warrants WP:TNT, since its content is so disconnected from the literature relevant to the article's purported topic per its title (Saint or Celebrity is cited once; the rest not at all) that it'd require substantial cleanup. I'm not presently making that case, but I'd be open to hearing it from another. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hydrangeans: Thank you, we could probably use those sources to write a section on the main article, and if there is really a lot of content that could get split. But the current article in its current form is not a good starting point to write such an article imo, so it seems like WP:TNT is the best option. Can we put those sources in a {{refideas}} template on the talkpage of the main article? Polygnotus (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and merge to main article, per Bastun. John (talk) 11:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Andorra

Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000

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Non-notable defunct radio station. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Cabrils:, I disagree with you. I think the article about Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000 deserves to stay because the topic is notable due to the station being one of the main peripheric radio stations of France. It's part of the radio history. Universalis (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Universalis: It's good you express an opinion here but could you please provide evidence of its notability that supports your claims, per WP:N? This will help the decision making process. Thanks Cabrils (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles for deletion

Karine Babajanyan

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Lacks inline citations. Sources listed mostly lack independence from the subject. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Verkine Karakashian

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No refs. If any coverage of this person ever surfaces, it would take exactly 10 minutes to write a better article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There is a book reference in the article. I would suggest to keep the article, unless someone actually provided an assessment of its coverage. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoyfulTentmaker That is not a valid policy based keep vote. WP:SIGCOV requires multiple sources with independent significant coverage, which we generally interpret at AFD is a minimum of three sources. One book source, no matter how in-depth does not meet our notability guidelines.4meter4 (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I kindly disagree, a single book may indicate existence of more sources. Even without references, deletion nominators are expected to do a good faith WP:BEFORE: to check Google, Google Books, Google Scholar, and Wikipedia Library if possible. AfD is not a place to urge people to fix unreferenced articles. Nomination must come only after there are good indicators that the subject is not notable, regardless of the state of the article; as stated in WP:NEXIST. Sorry for repeating these in multiple nominations of yours, but there are not enough people watching these nominations about niche topics like this one, and I honestly believe it will be a loss for the encyclopedia if these are prematurely deleted. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CeeGee I think you created the article, pinging just in case you were not notified. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need other sources, suggesting that they exist isn't helpful Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoyfulTentmaker You seem to be misinterpreting policy language. WP:SIGCOV requires multiple sources as a non-negotiable criteria for all wikipedia articles. It's a must and its policy. Period. WP:NEXIST requires people voting to keep articles to produce multiple sources at the time of making a keep argument at an AFD. Asserting there are sources through guesswork is not following NEXIST; nor is arguing for keep based on a book you personally have not seen. Providing sources with url links or the names, publication dates, and pages of specific sources that you personally have looked at is following NEXIST. As for me, I looked at several standard opera reference works, including a Russian language music encyclopedia and found nothing on this person. My attempt at BEFORE may not be perfect but please WP:AGF. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you re-read WP:SIGCOV because it doesn't say what you think it does. The immediate subsection doesn't mention the number of sources but a bit further it says "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Multiple sources are not a "must" and the requirement is not "policy" (our notability documents relate to guidance rather than policy). Thincat (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, this source mentions this person [20], but that's all I can find. I don't think we have enough sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Just a note: during the period she was active, The Ottoman Empire used the Arabic writing system. So search is not trivial. Even modern sources include various different spellings of her name. Trying the modern Turkish spelling Verkine Karakaşyan, I can easily find at least one journal paper. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 00:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I can only see a short segment from the Google Books preview, but the book you linked might have a significant coverage (there are three search hits in separate places of the book). Here is the the second one, page 67: "... Verkine Karakashian read his poem “Freedom” and moved the audience so deeply that the ceremony was repeated for several nights in a row. After this incident, gradually more young girls showed the courage to go onstage and break the ...". Seems there is more before and after this passage, and this itself probably has a citation in the book; so if anyone has access to this book it would be really helpful if you could check. Separately, I added two more sources to the article and found the ISBN number of the book, referenced by CeeGee, who created the article. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Armenian wiki has some links, but I'm not in a position to say if they're RS or not. Oaktree b (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly not notable Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The sourcing is improved, now we have 6 references (one thanks to @Oaktree b's Armenian Wikipedia pointer), and hopefully notability concerns are now reduced. Also, I'm curious about the opinions @Basak and @Buidhe, who are experienced editors with contributions related to Ottoman Armenians on the English or the Turkish Wikipedia. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Covered by several additional Turkish sources [21][22] Additional Armenian sources [23][24] The main ref in the Armenian article is the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia. Whether there were citations at the time of the nomination is irrelevant to AfD. Aintabli (talk) 03:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian–Azerbaijani cultural relations

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Article is largely WP:OR and created by a now indef blocked user that had a history of using revisionist/negationist citations and misusing citations. Lacks WP:RS, unreliable sources include other Wiki projects and links that don't work. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The motives of a creator are not necessarily outweighed by the fact of notability. I’m unclear as the the nomination reasoning. Bearian (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Fix the article then? The topic is certainly notable. C F A 💬 13:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If it's notable, blow it up and start again. This is not a good start and is too problematic to keep around. Yilloslime (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is nowhere near TNT territory. There are a few unreliable sources but they can be removed/replaced as necessary. We shouldn't delete articles just because the creator apparently has a bad track record. For the record, I think using TNT to delete any article on a notable topic is a prime example of "lazy editing". Fix it yourself or someone else will do it eventually. C F A 💬 15:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That can be an extremely dangerous position to take, depending on the topic of the article. This particular one involves genocide and genocide denial. (Relevant context: 2023 Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh, among many others.) Sometimes things really are "too problematic to keep around". -- asilvering (talk) 06:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one has actually presented any evidence, beyond a few citations to Wiktionary, to justify why this article is so irredeemably flawed that it warrants deletion. As far as I can tell we're going off the fact that the creator was blocked – arguably just grave dancing. I wouldn't be sticking up for it if was obviously an anti-NPOV attack page mess, but the article is actually fairly well-written. C F A 💬 12:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There don't appear to be reliable sources indicating the notability of this topic, it should be deleted, Wikipedia isn't a place for articles that aren't notable. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I genuinely don't know how you came to this conclusion. There are entire books dedicated to this topic (e.g. [25][26][27][28]) and papers in academic journals ([29][30][31][32][33][34]), etc. C F A 💬 03:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Idk what's your point with these sources that have no page numbers. If you read the actual article text, most of this article is unverifibale, and the rest is very obscurely sourced synthesis or just original research. AntEgo (talk) 18:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Archives908 (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting after considering this discussion. The basis of this deletion nomination is the lack of RS but there are over 80 references here. A source analysis to actually review all of these sources and see if they are "unreliable" would be helpful. As other Delete positions are either per nom or weak on polcy reasoning, I think further consideration is due.
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Austria

WOLFRAM

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Non-notable, promotional page about Australian DJ. Page created by paid editor (WP:COI has been appropriately declared), so page needs to well meet notability criteria, but in my view falls well short of WP:MUSICBIO, WP:ANYBIO. Claim to fame was a decade ago so if notability was supposedly achieved, WP:RSs should have been visible by now. Cabrils (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Cabrils, thank you for your feedback. I have updated the page to reflect his current status as a pivotal figure in the fashion and electronic music space, citing the most prestigious outlets having published recent pieces on him in the last 2 years- including Vogue Magazine, INDIE Mag, and Sleek Magazine, and included his collaboration with renowned brand ZALANDO on their campaign last year. These are all cited and included in the most recent edits. In the sources I have added, it is adequate that WP:RSs is visible and the requirements are satisfied. Please let me know if you have any additional feedback Natlaur (talk) 13:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to read about WP:COIRESPONSE. – The Grid (talk) 19:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Little to no coverage in RS for this person. I don't find any as well. German Vogue is probably the best one, rest are interviews or primary sourcing. Nothing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, many of this artist’s coverage is in German. As I mentioned above, I respectfully believe the sources do in fact meet the criteria for RS. Monocle, Vogue, INDIE magazine, and Interview are all highly reputable and reliable sources that establish noteworthiness, especially within the artist’s existing niche- as well as extremely high profile campaigns for ZALANDO. I would kindly request that you reconsider the delete vote, or perhaps share any requirements that in your eyes satisfy the criteria so that I can amend the article to meet your standards for this not to be deleted. 93.40.185.121 (talk) 22:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wolfram has a feature article covering pages 28 to 33 on the July 2020 issue of DJ Mag: [35]. This is firmly in WP:RSMUSIC territory; with the journalist likening Wolfram to an electronic version of Mozart ("El Amadeus electronico"). Therefore, coupled with the Vogue coverage alone, I rather suspect the subject is very likely notable. The article itself, however, appears to be a prime candidate for WP:TNT as it is largely WP:PUFFERY. ResonantDis_tortion 08:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify - perhaps the best option here is to incubate in draftspace. ResonantDis_tortion 09:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Further comment: According to this citation [36], Wolfram was nominated for a notable award (Amadeus Austrian Music Awards) in 2012 - which meets WP:MUSICBIO#8. There is also further coverage about his album, Amadeus, available: The Ransom Note and Der Standard. Review of album Wolfram in Die Tageszeitung on Proquest: [37]. Also a profile here on Music Austria. ResonantDis_tortion 15:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MRC Markets

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Doesn't meet WP:NCORP. At least, there is no coverage in Australian publications per my checks. Gheus (talk) 14:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Austrian, now moved to Austrian AfDs.--Grahame (talk) 03:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:CORP, for an organisation with an office in London, unusual to get no coverage (even passing) in Google news. LibStar (talk) 23:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks sufficient reliable sources to demonstrate the company's long-term notability or significant coverage, failing to meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines--Jiaoriballisse (talk) 11:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katie Clarke

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Tagged for notability since 2018. Not clear whether the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 03:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georg Reiter

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There's no WP:SIGCOV of this judoka, just stats pages and WP:ROUTINE coverage (plus an assortment of unreliable sources). Nothing found in WP:BEFORE search so the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Might be notable for world championship, though WP:NSPORT doesn't have any Judo criteria. Nswix (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some notability criteria at WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can find no evidence of a silver medal at the World Military Championships and even if I did it wouldn't be sufficient to show WP notability as it is a small event and other medalists have had their articles deleted. There are also many similar sounding events, but the previous statement is true for all of them. The International Military Sports Council doesn't even show a judo championship in 2010 [38]. None of the sources given show WP:GNG is met nor my search find support for the claim of notability. The International Judo Federation records shows he never competed at a world championship. He did compete at one European championship in 2013 where he lost in the round of 16. World Cup events are not world championships. Notability is not inherited from his father's judo success, although it is a possible redirect target (he's already mentioned there). Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per nom and complete explanation from Papaursa. Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Engschrift

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Initially PRODed by me, for the following reason:

In addition to the existing relying on a single source and vagueness issues (likely due to translation), the information in the article could easily be included onto the existing articles – DIN 1451, Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and Road signs in Austria – with the provision of sources, weakening the article's basis.

Deletion was objected, a merged was proposed instead. However, it is not possible to redirect one article to 3 others. Created a topic at WikiProject Typography over 4 months ago with no response. The article has no notability on its own, and is poorly written/explained. EthanL13 | talk 22:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is covered in DIN 1451 in more detail than is here. Nothing in that article gives me the impression that a separate article on DIN 1451 Engschrift would be needed. I did search and Engschrift is always defined together with DIN 1451. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion,
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Merge to DIN 1451, by condensing the Austria section into a single sentence and placing it under DIN_1451#Usage_examples (this is sourced - the article's only source refers to this). There is certainly no justification for a standalone article, as the target article provides better coverage for every other aspect. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I agree with a merge, since Engschrift (German for "narrow font/script") isn't strictly unique to DIN 1451. EthanL13 | talk 14:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is in this case, as the article makes clear. The term should lead the reader somewhere. Do you have more general redirect targets in mind? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the article is much to go by – it can't even stick to its own subject in the lead. If it were possible, a disambiguation page (with DIN 1451 as its primary article) would be ideal, with links to Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and FE-Schrift. Just an idea, not sure if it's possible. EthanL13 | talk 09:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a disambiguation would be the way to go, given the several different types where the term is accepted as a variant, and the fact that it also represents the original German term for shorthand [39]. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022–23 Kapfenberger SV season

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season article for second tier austrian side. has not been updated since before the season started and is clearly unfit for mainspace. I find no evidence that such an article could pass WP:GNG but should others disagree, moving to draftspace may be more appropriate. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they are also not currently fit for mainspace and show no evidence of notability:

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Procedural close We've been through this before, different football clubs seasons can't be bundled and should not be bundled. You have to nominated them individually. Govvy (talk) 19:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all – The articles were formatted practically identically, are incomplete, have few sources and do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles have been largely updated. Bayern Munich themselves loan players to these clubs so they can be considered to meet the criteria for significant coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete all per nom, although in future such bundling is not...ideal. Giant Snowman 18:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, they can be saved. Liefering's article, for example, is the season in which Red Bull Salzburg striker Karim Konaté rose to stardom. Isn't that worth covering?--EpicAdventurer (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer I don't see how Konate playing for Liefering would consist of GNG-worthy coverage of their season or any content on the season article that wouldn't instead belong on Konate's. The league doesnt even get regular match reports on [kicker.at] or [skysportaustria.at], theres just not enough coverage of the 2. Liga to get close to justifying club season articles at this level. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like this: https://www.kicker.at/young-violets-gegen-liefering-2022-liga-oesterreich-4789178/schema ? EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer that's not a match report, just a list of scorers and substitutions. compare to the coverage given to the Austrian Bundesliga - [40] Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does not determine whether the article deserves to stay or not. If there are yellow cards and coverage like the statistics on SofaScore, it means that the league is as important as the Italian third division league or any lower league in a European country. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yellow cards being recorded on SofaScore does not contribute towards GNG lol. to demonstrate that these articles are worthy of keeping you'll have to show meaningful secondary coverage of these club's seasons actually exists. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your going off script is a strong indication of who you are. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer what do you mean by this??? Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.skysports.com/football/fc-liefering-vs-sv-horn/teams/470426. https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/fc-liefering/7790. The 2. Liga is also listed as a professional league! EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We have arguments for a procedural close, draftification, deletion and keep. It's also unclear when an editor just offers a "per nom" comment whether that is also support for moving to draftspace which the nominator also proposed.
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Others

Azerbaijan

Nasib Piriyev

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Article about a non-notable businessperson and CEO. Previously declined in WP:AFC but moved to mainspace anyway. Sources are just WP:PASSINGMENTIONS and does not cover the subject WP:INDEPTH. Some the sources are regular WP:ROTM. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nasib Piriyev is a notable entrepreneur and business leader whose contributions have been recognized by multiple independent sources. He has significant projects in the fields of Energy, Lifestyle, Capital financing, Culture and Philanthropy, which have been covered by major national and international outlets, including Azertac,HELLO! Magazine, and The New York Times.

His ventures, including AzMeCo, Buta Arts Centre, and Woodford Finance, have had measurable impact on countries including Azerbaijan, United Kingdom and Malta, as reflected in multiple sources. Nasib has also linked to recognitions including the film awards emerged by SONUNCU (The Last One), the work he co-directed. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian–Azerbaijani cultural relations

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Article is largely WP:OR and created by a now indef blocked user that had a history of using revisionist/negationist citations and misusing citations. Lacks WP:RS, unreliable sources include other Wiki projects and links that don't work. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The motives of a creator are not necessarily outweighed by the fact of notability. I’m unclear as the the nomination reasoning. Bearian (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Fix the article then? The topic is certainly notable. C F A 💬 13:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If it's notable, blow it up and start again. This is not a good start and is too problematic to keep around. Yilloslime (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is nowhere near TNT territory. There are a few unreliable sources but they can be removed/replaced as necessary. We shouldn't delete articles just because the creator apparently has a bad track record. For the record, I think using TNT to delete any article on a notable topic is a prime example of "lazy editing". Fix it yourself or someone else will do it eventually. C F A 💬 15:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That can be an extremely dangerous position to take, depending on the topic of the article. This particular one involves genocide and genocide denial. (Relevant context: 2023 Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh, among many others.) Sometimes things really are "too problematic to keep around". -- asilvering (talk) 06:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one has actually presented any evidence, beyond a few citations to Wiktionary, to justify why this article is so irredeemably flawed that it warrants deletion. As far as I can tell we're going off the fact that the creator was blocked – arguably just grave dancing. I wouldn't be sticking up for it if was obviously an anti-NPOV attack page mess, but the article is actually fairly well-written. C F A 💬 12:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There don't appear to be reliable sources indicating the notability of this topic, it should be deleted, Wikipedia isn't a place for articles that aren't notable. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I genuinely don't know how you came to this conclusion. There are entire books dedicated to this topic (e.g. [41][42][43][44]) and papers in academic journals ([45][46][47][48][49][50]), etc. C F A 💬 03:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Idk what's your point with these sources that have no page numbers. If you read the actual article text, most of this article is unverifibale, and the rest is very obscurely sourced synthesis or just original research. AntEgo (talk) 18:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Archives908 (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ilgar Ibrahimoglu

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An article with no encyclopedic value and for PR purposes only. Redivy (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Is this the same Ilgar Ibrahimoglu who was the subject of coverage about his detention in Azerbaijan? [51] [52] [53] This might contribute to notability. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Belgium

Syensqo

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not meet GNG RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete : No reliable source.--Gabriel (……?) 12:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Solvay S.A.#History]. While organizationally the company was spun off, our article hardly contains information beyond that of Solvay S.A. Making it an unjustified SPINOFF. This solution should receive priority by ATD, CHEAP, and PRESERVE. gidonb (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It could do with more content and more references, but it is already a notable company within its industry and it should be updated, rather than deleted or redirected to Solvay S.A. (since it is effectively a new company). I found also quite a wide media coverage: Links [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23]. --E.D.G. (talk) 03:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of the Maldives, Brussels

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3 of the 4 sources are primary. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 06:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bulgaria

George Dimitrov

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I see no reason that this would pass WP:GNG, as was decided at it's last deletion discussion. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 22:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — no dated contributions since the last AfD with a quite weak assertion of notability here. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 00:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Elena Baramova

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Notability tag and BLP sourcing issues have been tagged for the last eleven years. No sources have been added in that time. Despite two previous AFDs, the article is still not referenced. Given the change in attitude towards needing sources on BLPs since the last AFD in 2009, it is time to look at this again. 4meter4 (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anna Veleva

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2007. Not clear that the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Croatia

Sidi Mara

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There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree if no changes to the article are made to the article, the deletion is proper. Orhov (talk) 21:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olga Sober

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Been tagged for sourcing issues since 2011. Not clear if subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Czech Republic

Vít Šimral

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Members of the city council of say Prague must pass GNG, which this subject does not pass either. Sources are not GNG-worthy. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Czech Pirate Party as ATD where his name is mentioned. Have you tried using translation by any chance? I also was wondering... Are there similar articles of politicians like him who pass WP:GNG? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Czech Pirate Party, there's even a picture of him there... Jdcooper (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic women's national under-18 softball team

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Subject lacks the needed coverage to meet the WP:GNG and WP:NORG. Let'srun (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Long-time stub that is poorly-sourced. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hana Jonášová

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not seem to pass the notability criteria. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to her mother Jana Jonášová per WP:NOTINHERITED if sources can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duong Thanh Tung

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think for this player does pass WP:GNG with all the articles in Vietnam's big football journals about him. He recently signed a pro contract with a club in Vietnam's highest division, and is registred in the squad for the league. His pro debut will only be a matter of time. Lâm (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, the sources used do not document his notability. Wiki is not a player database and a few possible starts for a professional club won't change anything about that. This player has not accomplished anything yet, and we are not predicting from a crystal ball whether he will ever accomplish anything. The page can be created in a few years, when he has dozens of starts, and it will be written about something other than his first pro contract. FromCzech (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete—Appears to fail WP:GNG, although there is certainly a career that may be documented and/or documentable. Anwegmann (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article has some sources in Vietnamese, have they been checked? Svartner (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article from Bóng Đá Plus provides a significant coverage about the player, detailing his family background, career, and playing style. Additionally, there's also the article from Dân Việt that also gives a resume of his career and his playing style.It's worth noting that the player recently signed with the runners-up of the previous season in Vietnam's top football division. This significant move, in my opinion, justifies why a player from low-tier Czech teams deserves a Wikipedia article. Lâm (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SPORTSPERSON: Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability. WP:SUSTAINED: There have been reports of him entering professional football, but that's not enough as he may not make it. I would recommend to draftify the page and consider renewing the article in a year, in two, depending on career development and other media reports. FromCzech (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - As proposed by @FromCzech sounds the better solution. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - Looks like he could hit GNG eventually but not quite there. Chris1834 Talk 19:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As suggested above as well, I would be okay with draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability in any way. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – He's actually quite well-known in Vietnam, due to his call up to the Vietnam national under-23 football team. There are a lot of articles about him in Vietnamese, which I believe do pass the WP:GNG. But as you mentioned, he did not have a single game in a professional football competition, and also no appearance for Vietnam youth national teams. I see this article as WP:TOOSOON . I think a draft is the best solution. Lâm (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like a single call-up to the U23 preliminary squad will make you famous in Vietnam? LOL. A draft is a reasonable option. FromCzech (talk) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his case is particular. He was one the first Vietnamese diaspora player playing abroad to get a call up to the national youth team. That explains why he got a lot of attention of the media Lâm (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thplam2004: Could you link here to some of the biggest articles about him? That can help editors decide his notability. --SuperJew (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article from Tiền Phong covered completely his family background, his career and his journey to get called up Vietnam U23 team. There are so many articles covering the player such as 2 , 3 , 4 and many more. In fact he was called up to the Vietnam national team in September 2023 but he withdrew the call up (source) Lâm (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG without enough of a career to assume the existence of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as the references cover the player significantly and surely passes WP:GNG. However, what make me consider is that the player doesn't have much of a career, but the fact that he got call up to the Vietnam national football team makes it valid to keep this article. What do you guys think? Lâm (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just repeating myself, but passing GNG criteria is not confirmation of notability, and we are talking about youth team, not a senior team, and about a preliminary squad as he withdrew the call up, not a final nomination. And this is a one year old event; since then, he has not appeared anywhere. Given that no one was in favor of keep in the discussion before the relisting, a consensus is being sought whether to draft or delete. FromCzech (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I wouldn't call this WP:TOOSOON as no WP:SIGCOV existed. In a general view, the article doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO and seeing that no coverage has ever existed, turning into a draft wouldn't help either. Pls delete entirely and went a little notability is sensed, an editor may commence from scratch or request the previous deleted information. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Denmark

Dominance Fighting Championship

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Article based on primary sources. A search of Google news just yields primary sources too. The first event hosted by this company had now occurred with no coverage. Fails WP:CORP. LibStar (talk) 11:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([54], [55], [56] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([57], [58], [59], [60], [61]) Visions [de] ([62], [63] + some information in [64], [65]) and Ox-Fanzine ([66], [67], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletions

Estonia

Metal Storm (webzine)

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OK, this seems to be something of a borderline notability case. I'm nominating this because there may be decent sourcing that exists to establish notability, but also because this could potentially wind up getting deleted in the end. There was no consensus about this article at AfD back in 2008, but many of the "keep" votes from back then could only cite things like Google search results and sponsorships (see WP:INHERITED), when not just resorting to copouts with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Most of the sources cited are WP:PRIMARY, and I can't find much information about this site via Google outside of unreliable, WP:NOTRSMUSIC databases. I'm not saying this positively needs to go, but if it's going to stay, it needs serious improvements. But for now, I would like to invite other people to comment with what they think. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Estonia national youth football team

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I do not believe that the subject of this article satisfies notability guidelines. A cursory search did not turn up reliable independent sources that could be used to improve it. Even looking beyond that, the article in its current state appears to be entirely deserted, consisting mainly of empty tables. It is debatable how relevant this information would be anyway as per WP:NOTDB. ElooB (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment Estonian Football Association pages for these U18 U16 U15. I'm not sure why these articles are grouped together as there is no 1 youth team, all of them are different teams. I rather see them seperately. So I'm not gonna argue they have notability in this discussion. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ElooB: I made it into disam page [68] such as England national youth football team, Belgium national youth football team, Poland national youth football team, Scotland national youth football team, Spain national youth football team, Sweden national youth football team. I say keep it as disam. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pelmeen, and to match similar articles. Giant Snowman 13:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arete Kerge

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Most of the article is cited to the subject's own website. Not clear if the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacking WP:SIGCOV, I find zero News sources. I did a couple of searches and found no additional reliable sources. She might be talented, but she’s not getting any attention. Bearian (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per https://www.emic.ee/?sisu=interpreedid&mid=33&id=233&lang=est&action=view&method=biograafia as a serious source--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Veretenina

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The sources used are from organization websites that have a direct connection to the subject. No independent sources are used. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment @4meter4: isn't it excessive to add such amount of maintenance tags, especially just before nominating for deletion? Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Out of experience, I find it useful to tag problems relevant to an AFD to help guide talking points in an AFD discussion. It may aid article improvements during an AFD if a rescue is attempted, or it helps others identify sourcing problems that may confirm a lack of notability. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources I managed to find: appearances on national TV and radio [69] (not original but appearance in ETV+), [70] [71] (Raadio 4) and reviews on Sirp [72] [73] and marriage. I made the search with "Maria Veretenina", but the search should be done in Russian, I think "Марии Веретениной". First results from that: long interview and another interview on Postimees but needs a paid subscription. There are more, but this should be enough to confirm it passes GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in view of the sources identified above by Pelmeen10 which confirm national TV and radio performances and the Sirp reviews, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Finland

Johanna Nurmimaa

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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2016. Not clear if the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. She appeared on a Finnish soap opera for ten years but, apparently, never won any awards. No coverage whatsoever regarding her stage roles or animated film dubbing. WP:TOOSOON, if ever. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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France

Boutxy

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I tried to PROD this, but it was removed, so I figure this is the next best place. I see no notability, though some sources do exist. The bear is just another poaching victim, which is unfortunate, but should really be included in a different article, perhaps one about the decline of brown bears in the Pyrenees. The references that are used all redirect to the article for some reason, as well. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 21:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Société Angélique

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A couple passing references do not make this a real thing...

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Apparently there was an ill-attended previous AfD under a different page name: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Angelic_Society

Delete: as I wrote on the TP, there's no serious scholarship that I can find on this subject... there seems to be a curious conflation of a geographical name in Lyon (Angélique, cf. this article) with a coterie/cenacle of humanists that really did exist but was not named... An article of interest: https://www.jstor.org/stable/20673401 (which pretty much categorically debunks the existence of this "secret society"). -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I just noticed a previous AfD in 2014, which relies on an Editions Arqa book (definitely not an RS, the book is not even held by the BM de Lyon!) and a few passing mentions... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 14:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statrys

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Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTIFY does not allow redraftiification without formal consensus, so here we are. WP:ADMASQ, this is a WP:ROTM business, failing WP:NCORP. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no sign of meeting WP:NCORP, all the coverage is trivial. --bonadea contributions talk 13:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000

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Non-notable defunct radio station. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Cabrils:, I disagree with you. I think the article about Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000 deserves to stay because the topic is notable due to the station being one of the main peripheric radio stations of France. It's part of the radio history. Universalis (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Universalis: It's good you express an opinion here but could you please provide evidence of its notability that supports your claims, per WP:N? This will help the decision making process. Thanks Cabrils (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darya Dadvar

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Tagged for notability since 2019. Relies largely on self published sources. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing turns up in an online search. It's possible that there may be good sources in Farsi that establish notability, but I'm unable to determine that for myself. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isabelle Poulenard

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2019. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gaëlle Méchaly

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2019. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Working on this now - I have located some reliable sources which I will continue to add as I expand the page.Chaiten1 (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with references. Selected recordings listed, rather than a comprehensive catalogue.Chaiten1 (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing per WP:HEY. @ Chaiten1 Thank you for the much improved article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 06:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Bertez

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No indication of significance. Reference are routine coverage of business operations. No secondary sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 17:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert Bottini

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Football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like this one. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gustave Ducousso

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Another football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like Olympedia. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan El Belghiti

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Delete or Redirect to List of world championships medalists in powerlifting (men). Only has two articles sourced, both by BarBend. Anybody who competes in powerlifting (local or international) can be included to All Powerlifting and Open Powerlifting. ViciousViper47 (talk) 03:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Panagiotis Tarinidis

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Delete or Redirect to List of world championships medalists in powerlifting (men). Only four sourced articles talk about Tarinidis's achievements. Anybody who competes in powerlifting (local or international) can be included to All Powerlifting and Open Powerlifting. I'm skeptical if only four articles are good enough for an article. ViciousViper47 (talk) 03:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgia

Aeroflot Flight 34

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1940s or to List of accidents and incidents involving the DC-3 in 1947, since there are nearly zero sources about the accident. SignorPignolini

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Delete per WP:N. The Soviet Union was notoriously tight-lipped about aviation accidents that occurred in that era, and many domestic accidents were never widely reported. This article is based entirely on what appears on the airdisaster.ru website, which was briefly discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru a couple of months ago. I found that discussion by searching for such a discussion, as my gut feeling was already telling me that this isn't a reliable source, and the "sources of information" field on the entry on that site has been left blank. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. RecycledPixels (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Germany

Statista

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This company churns out many dubious "statistics" with questionable sourcing. As the tags indicate, the article itself fails WP:NPOV and reads like an advertisement. There is little evidence of notability. LinkLightRailFan (talk) 09:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:SURMOUNTABLE. Regarding notability: Chefwechsel im Reich der Daten, FAZ IgelRM (talk) 16:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This website is used as a reference in 2,447 articles and is listed on WP:RSPS as 'generally unreliable'.[74] Orange sticker (talk) 17:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julia Arnold (footballer)

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No evidence or claim of notability. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and Julia Arnold played in the 2022–23 DFB-Pokal Frauen final. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per GiantSnowman. This article should be notable. Karol739 (talk) 08:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - She is also an artist 1 (page 8 and 9) 2 (page 4 and 5). Dougal18 (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources in article which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astrid-Lindgren-Preis

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No sources and no apparent notability from web search. Note that the current Swedish award has an article and is widely reported on, but the defunct German one has no media coverage. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Has anyone checked any german newspaper archives? There won't be much coverage of an award given between 1969 and 1999 online. AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonas Becker (musician)

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Non-notable German DJ/songwriter. Nothing to indicate he meets WP:MUSICBIO, WP:GNG, and would seem unlikely to be able to. Cabrils (talk) 05:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Cabrils. I've had a good look for references and found nothing. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Knitsey (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1989 Germany mid-air collision

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Per WP:GNG, barely notabile incident, nearly zero sources can be found about it, even in german. SignorPignolini 20:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I am shocked that this even got through, run of the mill incident with zero continued coverage. Lolzer3k 18:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Wiesmoor#History – Coverage of the event does exist, such as [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80] [81] (and mentioned in a book [82]) but most of them are either from 1989 or are passing mentions, with additionally, the final report also available [83]. This german forum from 2005-2006 has uncovered some very good coverage of the event [84], however I've been unable to find the said sources online. With that being said, there isn't much sustained coverage post-1989 nor in-depth coverage of the event that would make it warrant a stand-alone article, whilst a merge could probably provide a slightly more historical context of the event. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Goddard

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage, just stats/routine news. Giant Snowman 19:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s got significant coverage from what I can see. Stop pointlessly tagging pages for deletion - becoming quite pathetic now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:59C9:B142:4513:9C80 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop editing from your IP, EnglishDude. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I see at least one example of WP:SIGCOV in a reliable source (Straits Times - ironically it's from the very beginning of his career) and that's enough combined with other coverage for a WP:NSPORT pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One source is not enough. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is for WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect - it says that "an athlete is likely to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources" (my emphasis). Giant Snowman 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"at least one" - and that even doing that "does not indicate notability". Giant Snowman 20:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Not seeing enough coverage. One article from the Strait Times mentioned above is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT is a little looser than WP:GNG. Unlike with GNG, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Combine the one article with the extensive non-SIGCOV available, it's a pass on the SNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As above, only one source has currently been found with SIGCOV. That is not enough to pass GNG. Sources must be multiple. Have you found any others? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vasiljka Jezovšek

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2019. Only source is to bachcantatas which is a website anyone can edit and is unreliable. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irene Kurka

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2021. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Well, sourcing used in the article is database listings, which don't help. I can't find much else, she seems to be a podcast host [85] and [86], bu they don't talk about her. I don't see enough sourcing for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 01:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. Grimes2 (talk) 15:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: she has not sung with any notable choral groups. She has not toured extensively. Fails WP:NMUSIC. Bearian (talk) 04:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC) Also, no major recordings. Bearian (talk) 04:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Online searches turn up nothing that confirms notability. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WebID Solutions

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Likely not notable company that does not fulfill NCORP guidelines; poor sources Once upon a daylight dreary (talk) 16:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Clearly meets WP:NCORP due to verifiable significant coverage in major, notable German newspapers over a period of years. I cannot understand why the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the Rheinische Post, the Wirtschaftswoche, Der Tagesspiegel, Handelsblatt, Börsen-Zeitung and others would be considered "poor sources" by the nominator; please explain the rationale for that assessment. Netherzone (talk) 19:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([87], [88], [89] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([90], [91], [92], [93], [94]) Visions [de] ([95], [96] + some information in [97], [98]) and Ox-Fanzine ([99], [100], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Christiane Wolf

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She's evidently done commendable work, such as the VA program, but I can't find significant coverage of her, or reviews of her books in reliable sources, to meet WP:NAUTHOR, WP:BIO or WP:GNG. She's also worked with some notable people, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. Wikishovel (talk) 18:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless evidence is produced that her publications have received enough attention. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. I think this article is produced to create attention. --Dioskorides (talk) 09:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Two of the references are podcasts by notable people (Dan Harris and Sharon Salzberg), there is a book review in Spirituality & Health and some coverage in a Taos News article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnev66 (talk • contribs) Nnev66 (talk) 14:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC) (belatedly signing)[reply]

I’m with the Weak keep. She’s appeared on podcasts, was noted on the official VA website, and in other sources. I would not call this really substantial, though, more of a bare bones coverage. Bearian (talk) 11:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Filled to the brim with primary sources and not enough independent sources to sustain a biography; the single book review is not enough. Appearing on podcasts is not a criterion for notability. Geschichte (talk) 08:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of Moldova, Berlin

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Unreferenced article that merely is a list of ambassadors. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to some article about German-Moldovan relations, don't know which one, and salvage Andre🚐 18:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 14:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No sources, lacking encyclopedic content and no suggestion as to a target for redirecting. AusLondonder (talk) 09:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Notability not established by sources. Yilloslime (talk) 18:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Greece

Start – Socialist Internationalist Organisation

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General failure to demonstrate notability. Article purely sourced from its own website and then International (CWI) (WP:ABOUTSELF violation). Attempt to find reliable sources showed no notable coverage in terms of news coverage. Some results appear on Google Scholar but from those I was able to access in English there are few mentions and those appeared trivial and more to do with outside organisations such as SYRIZA.

Article has been appropriately maintenance tagged for several years now yet improvement has not appeared.

Given that the International they are now affiliated to is non-notable (International Standpoint) there looks to be no obvious redirect target, so proposing deletion. Rambling Rambler (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment -I'm wondering if someone cam look for Greek-language reliable sources? The organization has been around for 50 years and was once part of the Coalition of the Radical Left (Syriza) so there may be something out there. Wellington Bay (talk) 22:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theodoros Veniamis

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Being a wealthy shipping line owner does not in and of itself confer notability. Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep A lot of sources. Indicative, https://www.tradewindsnews.com/tag/theodore_veniamis, https://maritimes.gr/en/one-hundred-people-2019-32-theodore-veniamis/ Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pylas

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Not sure this meets GNG — limited coverage in secondary sources. Cremastra (talk) 20:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep founder of Pylos. That is enough to be notable. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoples

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I'm unsure that this meets WP:GNG. Currently all the sources are primary, and although the subject definitely has coverage in secondary sources, they are not of a significant level. Cremastra (talk) 20:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ion (mythology), which can comfortably include a list of his four sons.— Moriwen (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verkine Karakashian

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No refs. If any coverage of this person ever surfaces, it would take exactly 10 minutes to write a better article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There is a book reference in the article. I would suggest to keep the article, unless someone actually provided an assessment of its coverage. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoyfulTentmaker That is not a valid policy based keep vote. WP:SIGCOV requires multiple sources with independent significant coverage, which we generally interpret at AFD is a minimum of three sources. One book source, no matter how in-depth does not meet our notability guidelines.4meter4 (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I kindly disagree, a single book may indicate existence of more sources. Even without references, deletion nominators are expected to do a good faith WP:BEFORE: to check Google, Google Books, Google Scholar, and Wikipedia Library if possible. AfD is not a place to urge people to fix unreferenced articles. Nomination must come only after there are good indicators that the subject is not notable, regardless of the state of the article; as stated in WP:NEXIST. Sorry for repeating these in multiple nominations of yours, but there are not enough people watching these nominations about niche topics like this one, and I honestly believe it will be a loss for the encyclopedia if these are prematurely deleted. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CeeGee I think you created the article, pinging just in case you were not notified. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need other sources, suggesting that they exist isn't helpful Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoyfulTentmaker You seem to be misinterpreting policy language. WP:SIGCOV requires multiple sources as a non-negotiable criteria for all wikipedia articles. It's a must and its policy. Period. WP:NEXIST requires people voting to keep articles to produce multiple sources at the time of making a keep argument at an AFD. Asserting there are sources through guesswork is not following NEXIST; nor is arguing for keep based on a book you personally have not seen. Providing sources with url links or the names, publication dates, and pages of specific sources that you personally have looked at is following NEXIST. As for me, I looked at several standard opera reference works, including a Russian language music encyclopedia and found nothing on this person. My attempt at BEFORE may not be perfect but please WP:AGF. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you re-read WP:SIGCOV because it doesn't say what you think it does. The immediate subsection doesn't mention the number of sources but a bit further it says "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Multiple sources are not a "must" and the requirement is not "policy" (our notability documents relate to guidance rather than policy). Thincat (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, this source mentions this person [101], but that's all I can find. I don't think we have enough sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Just a note: during the period she was active, The Ottoman Empire used the Arabic writing system. So search is not trivial. Even modern sources include various different spellings of her name. Trying the modern Turkish spelling Verkine Karakaşyan, I can easily find at least one journal paper. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 00:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I can only see a short segment from the Google Books preview, but the book you linked might have a significant coverage (there are three search hits in separate places of the book). Here is the the second one, page 67: "... Verkine Karakashian read his poem “Freedom” and moved the audience so deeply that the ceremony was repeated for several nights in a row. After this incident, gradually more young girls showed the courage to go onstage and break the ...". Seems there is more before and after this passage, and this itself probably has a citation in the book; so if anyone has access to this book it would be really helpful if you could check. Separately, I added two more sources to the article and found the ISBN number of the book, referenced by CeeGee, who created the article. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Armenian wiki has some links, but I'm not in a position to say if they're RS or not. Oaktree b (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly not notable Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The sourcing is improved, now we have 6 references (one thanks to @Oaktree b's Armenian Wikipedia pointer), and hopefully notability concerns are now reduced. Also, I'm curious about the opinions @Basak and @Buidhe, who are experienced editors with contributions related to Ottoman Armenians on the English or the Turkish Wikipedia. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Covered by several additional Turkish sources [102][103] Additional Armenian sources [104][105] The main ref in the Armenian article is the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia. Whether there were citations at the time of the nomination is irrelevant to AfD. Aintabli (talk) 03:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International Association for Greek Philosophy

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Unreferenced article created by an editor banned for copyright. The first page of results failed to provide any useful coverage. WP:TNT also applies given the potential this is a copyright violation. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft Delete -- generally suspicious of "International X of Y" and look at the possibility of fraud etc., but Googling I was able to confirm that it is a society whose conferences etc. extend back into the 1990s (before predatory/faux academic conferences were generally a think we needed to look out for). Serious academics have presented there (https://www.lib.uci.edu/library/publications/philosophy/santas.html) and there is plenty of evidence that meetings have existed from back then (https://orb.binghamton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1219&context=sagp) -- from all this, it doesn't take too much citation of importance to show that this association (or at least its conferences) should be notable. (I have a low bar for academic societies w/ more than 25 years of conferences). Somehow though, despite all that, I cannot find evidence the society has made notable contributions to the field that would justify meeting GNG or a subject-specific notability guideline. I'm saying Soft Delete, because I wouldn't be surprised that someone (from Greece or w/ better paper archive access) could find evidence of the society's notability, and if that happens after the article is deleted, I would not hold this AfD (or at least my delete vote) against recreating the article w/ more evidence.
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Delete The article had to go for quick deletion as all content is based on and copied from the association's website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pallikari (talk • contribs) 17:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hungary

Gold Apollo AR924

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Doesn't seem to pass WP:NPRODUCT. Seems only notable within the context of the 2024 Lebanon pager explosions, and doesn't appear to warrant a standalone article. Article did not exist prior to the explosions, nor seemingly any reliable sources covering it, failing the "sustained coverage" requirement of NPRODUCT. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Copying here what I wrote when I WP:PRODded this article yesterday:

This particular model of pager seems to be notable only in the context of the 2024 Lebanon pager explosions. I can find no mention of "Gold Apollo AR-924," "Gold Apollo AR924" or "Gold Apollo AR" outside of news sources reporting the Israeli bombings. "Gold Apollo pager" returns only results for these news articles, the company's website, patent documents, and similar. The sources currently cited at the article fail the criteria for addressing the article topic "directly," as in the "significant coverage" criteria of WP:GNG.

While the particular model of pager is likely to receive a good amount of (temporary) media scrutiny from a few outlets, this will likely be only in the context of the above-mentioned bombings. Although WP:SUSTAINED does not apply to non-BLP articles, WP:NPRODUCT does, and although secondary sources refer to this particular device, there seems to be no claim to notability outside of this single event, for which we already have an article. Thus, I believe this article fails to establish notability for the topic, and our status as not an indiscriminate collection of information is applicable. Evan ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The model exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x50wwGjX2Ao

and

https://web.archive.org/web/20240917160632/https://www.apollosystemshk.com/product/42.html Mheretakis (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be wise to wait as evidence unfolds, hiding the page ,may be misinterpreted as corruption even though it is not. 38.9.2.102 (talk) 11:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody here is suggesting this information should be hidden. Information about the attack has it's own article. The only information specific to this article is just the features of this device, which are not secret. This discussion is about if this article is notable enough to exist, not if it should be censored. Thank you 2603:6011:9440:D700:CC1F:F350:E9EB:5F48 (talk) 13:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No other model of pager produced by the company exists on Wikipedia, information related to this product should be at most made a small section on the manufacturer's page. Beyond recent events, it is otherwise completely irrelevant to anything other than the company. JohnWarosa (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete was a completely non-notable model of pager until this recent news story. Andre🚐 01:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ → Speedy keep. This is a weapon used in an attack. With up to 4000 victims, the event can have multiple articles. Possibly move to BAC Consulting. The technical details of the pager are not important, but the supply chain is. Note, that other weapons (talkie-talkies) were also used in the attack. The key question the article needs to answer is who made the pagers and who is responsible for their safety, Gold Apollo or BAC Consulting. Protecting Gold Apollo from bad publicity is not a reason for deleting the article. If they go bankrupt because of this, they fully deserve it. They had a responsibility to protect their trade mark.

P.S. - Wikipedia has an article on Stuxnet, but no article on the attack itself or the damage it caused. The Stuxnet article focuses on the weapon and on how it was delivered. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is very flawed. The weapon was the explosives. Stuxnet was specific malware that exploited four zero day Windows vulnerabilities, and the article is about the engineered malware, and not about the model of USB drive it initially infected. But also that argument is off the point. The pager product is only notable if there are reliable independent secondary sources that significantly discuss the pager (not the attack, but the actual pager). Do we have any such sources? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Petri Krohn; There is an article for the attack itself. Parham wiki (talk) 13:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am now changing my !vote to speedy keep. It is becoming evident that the AR924 was not just some random Gold Apollo pager intercepted by Mossad (presumedly), but it was designed and manufactured by the Israelis using the Hungarian company BAC Consulting as a front. This implies that this was a multi-year Israeli operation, started in 2022 at the latest. This covert operation is distinct from the bloodshed that happened in Lebanon this week. I am redirecting BAC Consulting, to the article, as evidently the fake company had no other purpose than to produce these killer pagers.

@Parham wiki; Thank you for the link to Operation Olympic Games. In the Stuxnet case the article on the weapon is ten times as long as the article on the attack itself. I believe we will see a similar trend here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. - Someone has stated Draft:BAC Consulting. I have suggested that it be merged to Gold Apollo AR924. The company is a fake front, established solely to produce the AR924 killer pagers. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should only bold one of your keeps. By convention at AfD we only bold our !votes once. Also you have not specified a speedy criterion. I don't think any are eligible. I think you mean you are moving from keep to keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Gold Apollo#2024 Israeli tampering and explosions in Lebanon per WP:REDUNDANTFORK, WP:SPINOUT, and WP:LENGTH. The parent article has existed since 2014 and has plenty of room to house this information, which is already there in its essential form. No need to delete this highly searchable term since it is a verified product which has been rendered notable by recent events. Havradim leaf a message 01:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Many thousands of these devices exploded the other day, injuring, maiming or killing nearly 3000 people. This device is now by far the most notable pager/beeper ever made. This device is at the very center of one of the most dramatic and historic espionage and irregular warfare operations in human history that is certain to be studied and analyzed for many years to come. Already, numerous reliable sources worldwide are discussing this device in great detail, and it boggles my mind that some editors think that this article should be summarily removed. Cullen328 (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The flaw in this argument is that the exact make and model of pager that was manipulated does not provide justification for an article. Similarly, we have Bulgarian umbrella that details how umbrellas have been rebuilt into a murder weapon - but without creating an article on the actual model of umbrella that was modified - exactly because the make and model of the modified implement does not in itself provide it with notability. Lklundin (talk) 11:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that model may have only been made as a weapon by a covert manufacturer. Hungary denies involvement, says BAC was just a legal front. The page should be about AR924 the weapon. Keysersmoze (talk) 09:38, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that the discussion of this device and the supply chain should be in the main explosion article, which is currently a small fraction of the size that would warrant a WP:SIZESPLIT. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per arguments of Cullen328. PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per the arguments of Cullen328 the information about the attack is highly important. A separate article on the pager that itself is notable only for the attack prevents a centralized and well organized presentation of the information on these explosions. Lklundin (talk) 09:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or move to BAC page. Please count my vote. Flegozoff (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Votes are not counted, consensus is determined based on the strength of arguments. PhotographyEdits (talk) 12:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The event is a historical first time. This product became important, indeed people looked on Wikipedia for this article (and it is good that they found it).Sinucep (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The device is notable. Whether or not it was notable a week ago is irrelevant. —danhash (talk) 14:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it? What sources do we have? I asked this above and so far we have been presented with no sources to consider. We are looking for significant coverage of the product in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. No amount of saying it is notable is good enough. Where are the sources? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are currently 19 sources on the article —danhash (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which of these meet WP:NPRODUCT and WP:SIRS? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep I am a deletionist when it comes to mobiles, and similar devices. But as this device was a centre/key point in a major attack, many reliable sources have covered the device significantly (thus meeting WP:significant coverage) making it pass the WP:GNG, so it doesn't have to pass WP:NPRODUCT specifically. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are already articles for both the attack and the company who had the pager manufactured. Some information could go there. There are a lot of sources mentioning the pager, but only in the context of the attack. Specific coverage is lacking. Cortador (talk) 21:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The alleged usage of this device in Lebanon makes this particular model of pager notable, regardless of whether similar models are on Wikipedia. Those similar models did not just explode in masse, killing and injuring people. 96.45.23.79 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If it was not notable before, the major attacks using this device make it notable now. Keeper of the Queen's Corgis (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Edited and updated, not deleted. It should be about the AR924 mass produced and used in conflict weapon, not an article about a pager model. The story is developing and it appears this model may have only been produced as a weapon and not in Hungary which was a shell front. As a page about a weapon, it should be kept for the same reason "Little Boy" has a page, even though no one heard about it until after it exploded over Hiroshima, and it was also only used once. I am sure there is a page about the Manhattan Project, and one about the Hiroshima bombing. Yet the bomb itself has its own page. Notable weapons, especially the first of their type, need their own page because weapons have a design, explosive type and mass, range and effect, delivery method, an assembly, a development process, country that developed it, countries that possess it, number produced, uses in war. The AR924 is clearly notable for reasons mentioned by others and some of the reasons Little Boy is notable. Keysersmoze (talk) 08:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Keeper of the Queen's Corgis and Cullen328, but most of all per Keysersmoze's comment above. The first instance of an entirely new kind of weapon; mass-manufactured booby-trapped remote-detonated personal devices. — The Anome (talk) 07:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if these are specifically manufactured as a booby trap device and are not a standard pager that was modified with a logic board and explosive, then it clearly becomes notable. But, what are the secondary sources that show this please? We have a lot of keeps, but still there is still no source discussion at all. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment given this article is not notable outside the attack on Hezbollah - and given half the article is about the attack, what if this page is deleted and a brief summary of the features of these pager's features is added to 2024 Lebanon pager explosions, as it could provide a little context as to why Hezbollah chose these pagers. Once deleted, this article and BAC Consulting should redirect to 2024 Lebanon pager explosions, as both are solely notable for that attack (BAC Consulting was created exclusively for the attack; it can't be notable for anything else). If these pagers were used in another completely separate attack, or were popular outside of Hezbollah/Lebanon and Syria prior to the attack, then I would keep. However, that is not the case. We don't have a crystal ball, but it seems unlikely very many people will buy this specific brand after this incident.2603:6011:9440:D700:CC1F:F350:E9EB:5F48 (talk) 13:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with 2024 Lebanon pager explosions - the model was at the center of the attack, and outside of it is not notable. 三葉草 San Yeh Tsao 18:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As the story behind the logistical “capture” of the Hezbollah supply chain gets into the public domain, it will ensure the notability of the Gold Apollo AR924 as a weapon. Article is also already available in three other languages. Sobaka (talk) 10:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The AR 924 is undoubtedly the most famous pager in the world today, and in any case even before the explosions it was one of the most famous, as demonstrated by the sales figures and the fact that Hezbollah chose this model, which was therefore already known in some countries where the mobile network is not as developed. It certainly owes its current fame to recent events, in the same way as the iPhone 16, which for now is only famous because it was released 10 days ago and no one is surprised that it has a separate entry.--Giammarco Ferrari (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no one has provided any example of which sources meet WP:NPRODUCT. If someone is looking for this pager model they will be interested in the pager attacks where this is already mentioned. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iceland

Others

Ireland

William Fitzgerald (footballer, born 1999)

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Article creator has been indef blocked for repeatedly creating non-notable articles; PROD removed by an IP now blocked as a sock. This is another example of a well-written but ultimately non-notable article - semi-pro footballer who fails WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 17:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judith Mok

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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2006. Not clear the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep Finding sources was really easy for this person, they have multiple books with multiple reviews, and numerous interviews. I removed a lot of the material that I couldn't find sources for other than her website and CV. Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After rereading that I wanted to clarify that I'm not being snippy with @4meter4 I'm just so used to having to do deep dives into archives at AfD that this was a welcome change of pace. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dennehy

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Non-notable amateur sports person. In terms of WP:SPORTBASIC, the only coverage I can find is the stuff that I've added to the article. Most of which is not independent (like "listings" on personnel sheets of orgs with which the subject has a connection like these: [106][107][108]; Which, even if they were independent, are far from in-depth coverage). Or ROTM "match report" type passing mentions (like these: [109] [110]). In terms of WP:GNG, we barely have enough sources to establish even the sub-stub that we have. And certainly insufficient sources to expand any biographical information (DOB, place of birth, education, etc). A search in Irish news sources returns little to nothing. In the Irish Independent family of regional/national papers for example, all I can find are these two trivial passing mentions. Similar searches, in news sources like the Irish Examiner or Irish Times or RTE.ie, return nothing at all. Nothing. Not even trivial passing mentions. Notability is not established. Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about how significant American football is in Ireland. That said, being one of the initial inductees into the Hall of Fame for American football in Ireland suggests he was at a minimum a pretty big frog in a little pond. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Goddard

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage, just stats/routine news. Giant Snowman 19:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s got significant coverage from what I can see. Stop pointlessly tagging pages for deletion - becoming quite pathetic now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:59C9:B142:4513:9C80 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop editing from your IP, EnglishDude. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I see at least one example of WP:SIGCOV in a reliable source (Straits Times - ironically it's from the very beginning of his career) and that's enough combined with other coverage for a WP:NSPORT pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One source is not enough. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is for WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect - it says that "an athlete is likely to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources" (my emphasis). Giant Snowman 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"at least one" - and that even doing that "does not indicate notability". Giant Snowman 20:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Not seeing enough coverage. One article from the Strait Times mentioned above is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT is a little looser than WP:GNG. Unlike with GNG, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Combine the one article with the extensive non-SIGCOV available, it's a pass on the SNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As above, only one source has currently been found with SIGCOV. That is not enough to pass GNG. Sources must be multiple. Have you found any others? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daon, Inc.

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Fails to meet WP:NCORP. Sources are all trivial mentions of the company. Brandon (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~. I haven't yet completed a full WP:BEFORE (to establish whether there are other/independent/reliable sources "out there" which can establish notability and support the text). But, per nom, the sources within the article are far from ideal. Being either trivial passing mentions (where the industry news coverage is substantially about something else and the subject org is barely mentioned in passing). Or sources which are far from independent (company press releases, promotional webpages from partner companies, interviews with the company CEO, etc). To establish notability of this (250 person? 11 million turnover?) company... Guliolopez (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have now undertaken a more complete WP:BEFORE. And have identified and added more than a few examples of independent, reliable and verifiable news sources. Including the Irish Times, Irish Independent and New York Times. The latter two dealing with the 2006 appointment of Tom Ridge and sales wins (around the same time) in US airport security use cases. While, at time of nom, the article was almost entirely based on primary sources, press releases and ROTM business news coverage, that is no longer the case. Guliolopez (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Others

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Italy

Pasta all'Ortolana

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Appears to be a non-notable dish. Sources were only to recipes and a single very short discussion. Versions in other language wikis are similarly unsourced or poorly sourced, and a google search in English pulls up nothing but recipes. No claim to notability in text. A 2021 reference book on Italian food^[1] doesn't mention the dish. Valereee (talk) 17:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not a notable dish - basically anything you can mix with cooked pasta is a pasta dish, and this one doesn't seem to have a particular historical or cultural story. I, too, only found recipes under this name. Lamona (talk) 02:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Limentra di Sambuca

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Unsourced stub about a minor Italian river. Sources seem to exist either as trivial mentions or database entries with name and coordinates, as described as failing wp:NATFEAT. I can maybe see a merge into Reno (river), but that article is also essentially unreferenced. Lenny Marks (talk) 20:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have also nominated the following article: Limentra orientale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as a bundled nomination, as it is was creted by the same Wikipedian and is essentially in the same exact circumstances as this article, but is about a different tributary of the same river. Neither one appears to be notable enough for its own page. --Lenny Marks (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. These rivers are clearly notable. I added four references to both articles, it shouldn't be difficult to find more. Markussep ^Talk 07:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiziana Scandaletti

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Completely unreferenced BLP. Not clear it passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 19:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can only bring up streaming sites and operating database listings. All we have are primary sources now in the article, nothing found for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 22:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Online searches turn up nothing that establish subject's notability. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It seems like there is a lot of close paraphrasing of text from the subject's website when run through google translate into English; enough so that I think it could be a copyright violation issue.4meter4 (talk) 18:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amarilli Nizza

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2015. Sources are all self published blogs or dead links to self published theatre websites. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Monika Gonzalez

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2008. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 17:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Laura Macrì

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2017. Uses unreliable sources like instagram. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Serena Daolio

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Tagged for BLP sources since 2011. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. 4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Left-wing coalition (Italy)

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A very weird incomplete disambiguation page (WP:INCDAB). (1) There is no general/international Left-wing coalition dab page where this could be merged, and I can't find other WP pages listing left-wing coalitions. (2) Maybe there is potential for a WP:BROADCONCEPT article like Left-wing politics in Croatia, but the notability of the topic is unclear: There is no interwiki link (including Italian); List of political parties in Italy mentions "left-wing" once, and List of political coalitions in Italy none. So: Should this page even exist? – sgeureka ^t•c 12:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I did not technically "create" the article, it was created [111] by @Nick.mon: when there was a coalition of left-wing parties in Sicily which eventually became Free and Equal (Italy) and thus redirected there. It wasn't accurate since there are/were other coalitions before and after. I wouldn't mind a WP:BROADCONCEPT article or maybe something like Centre-right coalition (Italy) (the latter would have the problem that multiple coalition compete, in 2018 there were three coalitions) Braganza (talk) 12:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Evelina Bertoli

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I added several citations to the stub-article, and some content. There are dozens more articles at OAsport (it) over several years. I think she medalled 2nd in a 2020 championship [112], and another. On quick look, it seems she was the highest ranking rider for the Italy eventing team at Paris 2024, and you don't get to the Olympics unless you already have a good competition record. I'll take a closer look later when I have more time. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 15:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Dealing with Italian-only articles has been difficult, but I was able to find out some more information which I added to the article. From what I was able to find and understand, I would say that Bertoli likely meets notability standards regardless of my amateur attempts at rummaging through Italian articles. Still probably rated as a stub-level article, it is much improved over the version that was AfD'd. [113] ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 06:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rouzbeh Rafie

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Fails WP:COMPOSER. None of the sources here establish WP:GNG notability, either on account of not being independent (personal website, profile at Ulysses platform, which appears to allow self published pages, Ermes 404 a publisher of his music, an interview with Rafie), reliable (wordpress blog) or significant (pretty much all the other sources).

Criterion 3 of COMPOSER states that those who have written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers. may be notable, but none of the competitions he has won appear to be "major" (at the very least, they don't have Wikipedia articles) Mach61 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added a few more reliable independent sources (e.g. Association of Iranian Contemporary Music Composers (ACIMC)).

In my opinion, Rafie meets criteria for Wikipedia:NMUSICOTHER, saying "Composers and performers outside mass media traditions may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria: Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes, or standards used in a notable music genre."

The competitions are notable from my point of view, especially considering the small world of contemporary experimental (classical) music. E.G. a festival like MUSEQUAL https://www.kokonainenfestival.fi/?lang=en has a very good reputation, even without a wiki article Klaviermusikfan1972 (talk) 08:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Klaviermusikfan1972 None of the sources you added move the needle with regard to being independent and in-depth. (for example this is a profile on the website of an organization Rafie is a member of).

Rafie does not meet that criterion of NMUSICOTHER, because a "notable" composition is one that qualifies for an article, by having sources cover it. None of Rafie's originals have gotten that. Mach61 17:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added another independen reliable source from the "Bach&Now Festival", where Rafie was chosen Artist-in-Residence. https://bachandnow.de/en/composer-in-residence/ Hopefully this will help to keep the article! Klaviermusikfan1972 (talk) 15:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Klaviermusikfan1972 This profile is written by Rafie (As “Composer in Residence” of the Bach & now! festival, I am thrilled to share my musical journey and artistic vision with you. Mach61 19:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From my point of view, the fact that he was chosen artist in residence by the festival including three commissioned world premiere compositions, proofs that he is a notable composer. I checked the imprint, and Rafie is not a member of the festival board, festival founder or anything else. So it's at least an independent source. Klaviermusikfan1972 (talk) 20:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Latvia

Others

Lithuania

Others

Moldova

Embassy of Moldova, Berlin

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Unreferenced article that merely is a list of ambassadors. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to some article about German-Moldovan relations, don't know which one, and salvage Andre🚐 18:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 14:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No sources, lacking encyclopedic content and no suggestion as to a target for redirecting. AusLondonder (talk) 09:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about Germany–Moldova relations? I was wrong, finding that article just took me 20 seconds. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not established by sources. Yilloslime (talk) 18:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Montenegro

Others

Netherlands

Spain–Suriname relations

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This article is mainly based on primary sources. The countries' interaction appears very minor and limited to diplomatic recognition. No embassies, state visits, agreements, significant migration or trade which typically add to notable relations. LibStar (talk) 23:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hmm I browsed around for some Dutch sources, but niks, nada. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Life!

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This article is sourced solely to IMDb, as is the Welsh version, while the Dutch version is sourced solely to what appears to be a different film database. Found no additional coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It was fairly easy to find references. I have added them. Inwind (talk) 11:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There are also reviews here, here, here, here and here. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Pointless AfD for a film with plenty of reviews and coverage. AFDISNOTCLEANUP! These are LISTS of relevant articles: Delpher Volkskrant. INDIVIDUAL articles: [114][115][116][117][118][119][120]. These lists are just a beginning of the coverage by NEXIST. SNOW should also apply. gidonb (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Society for Navigation on Essequibo and adjacent Rivers

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This article has no lead section and only references one source. There are no inline citations and the majority of the article is unsourced. The prose is also unprofessional and unencylopedic. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 11:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This an entry about a historical organization that meets NORG. The entry is based on a book and article that are in the bibliography and on contemporaneous sources. I have added an intro and moved the sections around a bit. It was written by some of the standards at Nlwiki. AFDISNOTCLEANUP. The article does need a rename. gidonb (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't explain why there are no inline citations. Certainly doesn't look like this article has broad coverage either. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 18:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a book and a book chapter. Both certainly independent of the subject, RS, SIGCOV, and right on topic. Response is in defiance of AFDISNOTCLEANUP and NEXIST. Per WP:NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The bold is in the source so we will not miss it. gidonb (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a book chapter nor a book itself, where is your proof for that? If someone wrote a book about the subject it might be logical that this has the same title and also that I refer to it. If I write about the English EIC it might be logical that EIC is inside the title isn't it? Your remarks really make no sense at all. Johan Francke (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name is inside the title. gidonb (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a reference to four works and also the archival source is given. A lead section already has been added Johan Francke (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many nominations fail AFDISNOTCLEANUP and SOFIXIT. gidonb (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The same article is published in a Dutch version, and there no single comment was given. It has also been published in another encyclopedic wiki site. Johan Francke (talk) 10:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obed Yeboah

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Non-notable football player. Completely lacking WP:RS, and none would likely exist. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 06:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ortizesp: Where? Cabrils (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Coverage is nearly all from his club. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see it and I had a five minute look on google. Question to Ortizesp where on earth do you see significant coverage?? Govvy (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tony Yeboah, where I just added him, per CHEAP and ATD. Not proven to be individually notable. It would be great if everyone can get behind this compromise. Pinging all previous participants in the debate: Ortizesp, Govvy, GiantSnowman, and Cabrils. gidonb (talk) 00:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be content with this re-direct, good suggestion @Gidonb. Cabrils (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm fine with a redirect. Giant Snowman 10:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OSINT for Ukraine

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Non-notable organisation, lacking WP:RS to meet WP:NORG, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 23:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - while their work is laudable, there is also insufficient coverage in reliable sources. Sorry. Bearian (talk) 01:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per all above. gidonb (talk) 03:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Mok

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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2006. Not clear the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep Finding sources was really easy for this person, they have multiple books with multiple reviews, and numerous interviews. I removed a lot of the material that I couldn't find sources for other than her website and CV. Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After rereading that I wanted to clarify that I'm not being snippy with @4meter4 I'm just so used to having to do deep dives into archives at AfD that this was a welcome change of pace. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Vischjager

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There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 08:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Falls a bit short of the GNG. I found the following sources:

(data only, not for GNG) Innet Ernrooth: Met 120.000 Franse franken wandelde hij opgewekt het casino uit. "De Telegraaf". Amsterdam, 23-07-1983, p. 50. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 17-09-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011205682:mpeg21:p050

(counts toward GNG) Koen de Vries: "Wereldkampioen haalt finale niet in Vlissingen" https://krantenbankzeeland.nl/issue/pzc/2007-01-08/edition/null/page/36. Krantenbank Zeeland. Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant | 2007 | 8 januari 2007 | pagina 36

I found plenty of passing mentions, especially on Google Books. If someone finds more SIGCOV, let me know! gidonb (talk) 00:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ten Million Club Foundation

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This article is almost entirely written by someone who admits to a close connection with the subject, and the sources are all either articles about overpopulation in general, or from the foundation itself. So, I think it should be deleted due to lack of notability and potentially acting like an advertisement.Felix Croc (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I knew I missed something in the process :P Felix Croc (talk) 22:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I think the same, the article is written as an advertisement and with unreliable sources, YouTube is not a credible and permitted reference. Alon9393 (talk) 13:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't you be voting delete then? LibStar (talk) 09:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User has been indefinitely banned from WP. gidonb (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since passing NORG. The references at Nlwiki, Delpher, and Google Books are substantial and sufficient for NORG. gidonb (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is NORG Felix Croc (talk) 13:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, since when is notability on another wiki a good criterion? I got an article I made myself deleted when I used that reasoning Felix Croc (talk) 14:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NORG is the same of WP:ORG. The other question does not make sense. It's like asking a random person why the Earth is flat. gidonb (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Three of the four sources in the article are not reliable. The sources recently indicated aren’t either. That leaves one single source (Tamburino & Bravo, 2001). Even without reading it, this last source is a primary source and not directly about the actual subject of the page herein. In sum, that means this page is essentially original research, which is beyond the scope of an encyclopedia and something that we have never published. Bearian (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Gidonb above and this page is a nice entry in Wikipedia's overpopulation collection. The topic is of value, and sourcing seems adequate to keep it around as a page needing a couple more references. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

North Macedonia

Fatmir Mehmet

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Bio stub of a Kosovo liberation fighter whose death seems to have attracted widespread coverage, though the independence of the sources cited is not clear to me. Tagged for notability for nine months so bringing here for consensus. Mccapra (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blagica Pop Tomova

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Article is based entirely on the website of the subject's employer. Not clear that the topic passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Norway

Arctic (tug)

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This set index article is currently acting as an incomplete disambiguation of the base name Arctic, which already has its own disambiguation page. Keep or redirect to Arctic (disambiguation) § Ships? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment they are not all listed at the disambiguation page, but instead need to navigate into the sublist USS Arctic, which lists one of the tugs, and not on the main disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk)
- I am fine with redirecting it to the disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Arctic (disambiguation) § Ships, as all the contents are listed in the disambiguation page, including the aforementioned USS Arctic (SP-1158), accessible via USS Arctic, which is listed in the disambiguation page.

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Benedikte Pryneid Hansen

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No inherent notability, fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Nothing useful came from WP:BEFORE. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Internal party apparatchiks are rarely notable enough to meet WP:NPOL. From a brief perusal of the Red Party (Norway) article, the Secretary General of the party is not the front-facing leader, nor does it look like an internally elected position (though I may be wrong on the latter point). Bkissin (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poland

Tramwaje Śląskie

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Article about a transport company tagged for notability for eleven months. Bringing here for consensus. Mccapra (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I don't see any notability issue in the article. State-owned company running public transportation is pretty legit article subject. --Soman (talk) 23:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: if notability can't be established, obvious redirect or merge target would be Silesian Interurbans -> WP:ATD. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 20:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Mitrosz

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2008. Not clear the the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr. Blofeld This seems to be your creation. Could you please have a look? Authority control databases kicked up some links, but I'm having trouble reading the results. Thanks for whatever input you can give. — Maile (talk) 22:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT in Poland

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Redirect to LGBT history in Poland per wp:2DABS following Israel case, unless categories count? See also these redirect and RM discussions. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to LGBT rights in Poland. Sampling other countries for "LGBT in [country]", they always seem to redirect to the respective country's "LGBT rights in [country]" article. The See also section can/will take care of the history aspect, if the article body doesn't. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I prefer the redirect target of LGBT history in Poland, as it is closer to a Wikipedia:Broad-concept article and matches the Israel precedent. If sgeureka wants to provide the redirects they sampled, I am open to changing my mind, but it seems to me that the redirect targets are not consistent and depend on the what articles the country has. Either way, the target needs a redirect-for hatnote. I have added a link to the Rights article to the lead of the History one, and a For hatnote to the History article on the Rights one, so both choices are now okay as redirect targets. Toadspike [Talk] 08:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gąsawa massacre

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The article only describes the motives for the massacre and nothing more, the course of the crime is also lacking, in addition, most things (sources) in the article have a trivial mention of the subject in one sentence, which is incompatible with WP:SIGCOV Polski Piast from Poland (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, I could not find here this footnote Labuda, Gerard (1995). The death of Leszek the White (1227). Historical Annals. 61: 7-33. Gerard Labuda describing the views of Józef Uminski. If somewhere you Marek still has about this study then it's cool, but if not, well, we have problems. I hope that we will be able to keep the article after all. Polski Piast from Poland (talk) 16:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Merge with Leszek the White There do not seem to be adequate sources for an article. It's already covered in Leszek the White#Assassination. Maybe only one or two sources refer to it as a massacre, since massacres usually result in more than one death. TFD (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There are adequate sources - six of them with one or two specifically dedicated to this event. Whether or not it should be under “massacre” or something else is a naming question, not a reason for deletion. Volunteer Marek 16:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also probably a good idea to read the talk page first before !voting [121] or the relevant DYK discussion. Naming issue was discussed. More than one person was killed though most sources focus on the most important one - the Duke. Volunteer Marek 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep One would think that the assassination/murder of the ruler of Poland would be notable. YMMV I guess. There’s six reliable source in the article with one or two of them specifically dedicated to this event. This is also a very well known event in Polish historiography. The text in Leszek the White article is different (and frankly with worse sourcing). This article was featured at DYK and no one had a problem with either notability or any other issues then. Now it’s getting nominated for deletion by some brand new account with just a few edits who for some unknown reason calls me out by name. Yup. Volunteer Marek 16:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Portugal

Portuguese football in 2006–07 UEFA competitions

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Content should be merged to 2006–07 in Portuguese football, not notable as its own topic. No other similar articles in this variety exist. WP:NOTSTATS also applies. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom. Giant Snowman 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I was initially going to say delete as a WP:CONTENTFORK of three club's seasons but that's a better idea. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Taça da Liga

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Disputed draftification. Draftify until something happens, like the event at all. WP:TOOSOON 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support draftify as an ATD as this is TOOSOON. There is no SIGCOV of this event to satisfy N. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you done a WP:BEFORE talking about the SIGCOV, in the language most associated with the tournament? May 2023 article on new format [122] May 2024 article on entrants [123] Article four days ago on fixtures [124]. I've never heard that articles on tournaments have to be hidden away before they actually start, and doing so with a month to go seems like a waste of everyone's effort. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep and improve by adding references. The tournament is clearly notable. In my opinion, it's not a WP:TOOSOON since the matchups were determinated for the first round of the tournament, so there are some useful contents in the article. Lâm (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't get this nomination, it's the equivalent of the EFL Cup in Portugal. There are sources online, have you even done a WP:BEFORE? [125], [126], [127]. Sorry, but this is a pathetic nomination and you should be WP:TROUTed. Govvy (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speed keep – Competition just over a month away from being started, article created within the expected time. Svartner (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - ongoing national tournament, clearly notable, bad nomination. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - Just improve the article. No need to draftify. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - We have sources about the new format, the final location and the fixtures. Why remove this from view until it starts in a month's time? Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Neves (poker player)

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Non-notable person, lacking WP:SIGCOV outside specialist poker websites. Does not appear to have won any notable, major tournaments. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not notable. Alon9393 (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak, weak keep. Granted there's not much WP:SIGCOV, but two million-dollar cashes, including a win in a big WSOP event (8703 entrants = notable major tournament), are nothing to sneeze at. Otherwise, redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has won a notable major tournament. PsychoticIncall (talk) 04:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Romania

Elisa Hategan

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This is a self-promoting vanity page for a marginal figure, who is obviously continually editing it. There is a very long history of edit wars on the article, including their attempts to prevent coverage of their legal issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrashPandaMan (talk • contribs)

This nomination for deletion is part of ongoing vandalism of this page, which resulted it being locked down for a year. The nomination comes from one particular editor whose history shows he has targeted this particular page to delete large swaths of sourced content. His edit history also shows that he has targeted this page multiple times, contributing nothing but deleting large sections due to personal opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belladonna2024 (talk • contribs)

The account that has been repeatedly undoing revisions to this page is now deleting the nomination for deletion without adequate discussion among editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrashPandaMan (talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The account that keeps sabotaging this page (TrashPandaMan) and deleting huge segments without adding anything to it, is now aggressively vandalizing the page and repeatedly nominating it for deletion. His history of edits shows he has targeted two specific pages, this one and another page, and repeatedly vandalizing and nominating them for deletion, citing only his personal opinion that it should be deleted. Belladonna2024 (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no sabotage. This is a highly problematic article with irrelevant information of questionable notability. The edit history shows a clear record of other users attempting to clean up the writing and eliminate unnecessary and self-promoting information, followed by constant attempts to revert the explained edits. Th subject of this article is clearly watching it very closely, and has been for some time, as can be seen in the controversy over the inclusion of their failed lawsuit. Individuals should not be curating their own Wikipedia pages. TrashPandaMan (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the edit history, it appears clear that TrashPandaMan's account was created with the specific purpose of deleting sourced content of two specific pages, and nominating them for deletion. This user has repeatedly deleted large amounts of information without providing any sources to substantiate his opinion that this is a vanity page. It also appears evident, by the hostility of his comments, combined with deletion of large segments and frequent vandalism of the page, that user TrashPandaMan might be associated with the other parties involved in Hategan's lawsuit.

I am not responsible for creating this page, but I do not believe it is a "vanity" page considering that Hategan has made significant contributions to Canada's anti-racist history and has been directly credited to contributing to the shutting down of the Heritage Front. However, I agree that in light of recurring sabotage and vandalism by people seemingly intent on removing sourced content, that perhaps it would be for the best if the page was deleted altogether. Belladonna2024 (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Context. This discussion and this discussion are relevant here, and the page's history also tells a good story. These users have been fighting for over a week, and since they can't agree on anything, they keep edit warring and trying to bar one another from editing the page, as seen at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Archive/2024/09#Elisa_Hategan and this deletion discussion. Badbluebus (talk) 21:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep clearly meets WP:BIO per [128] [129] [130] [131]. I'm even tempted to say speedy keep since the nomination doesn't provide any policy-based reasons for deletion. SmartSE (talk) 14:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the above reasons. The arguments for deletion seem to be that she isn't notable, which she clearly is (admittedly not for everything that's currently in the article) and that the article is a "vanity page" (per WP:AFDFORMAT "Accusations of vanity and other motives should be avoided and is not in itself a reason for deletion"). 199.212.64.213 (talk) 05:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and block TrashPandaMan for as long as it takes to deter vandalism. Bearian (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kira Hagi

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Her acting roles are small or in movies that aren't notable themselves and she hasn't established herself as a notable artist. While there is considerable media attention, much of it feels sensationalistic. I might be overlooking something since I don’t speak Romanian but her notability shouldn't simply stem from her father being a famous footballer (WP:INVALIDBIO) Ynsfial (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. She seems to have notability on her own as an actress, though is hard for me to evaluate the notability of the films she acted in.Anonimu (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be kept, she seems notable in her own country Natlaur (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gheorghe_Hagi#Personal_life -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share the same thoughts, I've seen Kira Hagi's article and honestly I think the Article still have what to be improved, as the movies she acted in, e.g. 167.250.71.19 (talk) 21:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bucharest Herald

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(NPP action) I attempted to improve this article's sourcing, but in the process I've come to believe that it's a hoax. None of its references mention a "Bucharest Herald", and a Google search returns only an online news website that was probably founded around 2008 – in other words, completely unrelated to the 1990–2005 newspaper that this article claims to describe. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There was a short-lived "The Bucharest Herald" in the 1940s. However, there is no indication it existed in the 1990s or later.Anonimu (talk) 14:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Sorina Munteanu

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that it passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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George V. Grigore

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this previously-unreferenced article about a Romanian actor, journalist, writer and university lecturer. I have added three references, but all are mentions of his name only. According to the article in the Romanian Wikipedia (also unreferenced), he has written 29 articles, but I can't find reviews of them. I don't think he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR, WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NJOURNALIST, etc. Tacyarg (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Russia

Pan-Nakhism

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can't find GNG, has a series of random page moves and it seems like this could be better off merged with Nakh peoples article if the obvious LLM doesn't cause an issue — Karnataka 17:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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i have sources , here is it: https://snifferip.com/chechen_history.pdf

Its the «Jaimoukha amjad The chechens» Book NakhBoy (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pavel Abramov

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The subject does not have enough news coverage. Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dmitri Pestryakov

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Russian footballer. Seems like the article creator moved the draft to the mainspace. JTtheOG (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.рус

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No good sources, seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. The article literally says, twice, that there is a lack of information for use in writing about it.. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Many references exist in the corresponding article in the Russian Wikipedia at https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/.%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81 or ru:.рус That article also includes a detail chronology of the top-level domain. Once the information in the Russian article is added to this one, notability should be clear. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the russian article, a large majority of the sources are from icann, which is not what I would describe as independent third-party coverage congruent with WP:GNG Sohom (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'd say it's a plurality. There's usable sources like CNews, RIA Novotsi, and Lenta.ru. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murad Ramazanov (fighter)

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Fails to fulfill WP:MMANOT with no wins over significant opponents, bouts only in the second tier organizations and FightMatrix ranking of #65 at highest. Also, does not seem to fulfill WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Ticelon (talk) 10:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet WP:NMMA (or WP:GNG), as he ranked #65 in the world according to fight matrix. Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly fails to meet WP:NMMA. My search for sources found databases, fight announcements, and results--all of which are typical for any pro fighter. In addition, most of the references are from sources that are either deemed not reliable (like sportskeeda) or not independent (particularly One FC's articles). His ranking is probably overstated at fightmatrix since it lists 4 Russian fighters named Murad Ramazanov, all with non-overlapping fight records (which probably explains the one fight in 5 years gap in the main fighter's records). Counting the fights in the gap he no longer has his long unbeaten string or 12-2 professional record, because fightmatrix shows a 2-3 records for those "other" fighters with the same name. Papaursa (talk) 15:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the Murad Ramazanov's are the same person, that region of Russia has many guys who share the same last names or first names, it's like Viet people and the last name Nguyen. There are pictures of the other Ramazanov's in tapology and sherdog, showing it's not the same Murad in PFL, especially since he has a distinctive look.

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Murad 1 and 2 are the same person, but not the PFL Murad, and Murad 3 is a completely different guy at a different weight class HeinzMaster (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you HeinzMaster for the additional information. I guess the bottom line is still that none of the Murad Ramazanov fighters are WP notable. Papaursa (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1952 Leningrad mid-air collision

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per WP:GNG failure to site verifiable sources and lack of secondary sources, as shown before, the soviet union was incredibly secretive and tight lipped about tragedies, especially aviation tragedies, that took place in the soviet union. Lolzer3k 15:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:N. This article is based primarily on what appears on the airdisaster.ru website, which was briefly discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru a couple of months ago and generally found to be an unreliable source. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. I'll also mention that I'm not very comfortable with the fact that the article was created August 13, 2024, yet the citations to the airdisaster.ru website are citing an access date of April 12, 2013. This may be a machine translation of the ru.wikipedia page that does not appropriately give attribution to the original article per WP:HOWTRANS. RecycledPixels (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: A search reveals that there exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. ~~Once suitable sources are found, it can be made a standalone article. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Soviet aviation task force/Notability.~~ Meltdown627 (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irina Mataeva

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Article is written like a resume and based on sources connected to the subject. Not clear the article passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elena Pankratova

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Article is largely built from the website's of the subjects employers and therefore they lack independence. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aeroflot Flight 31

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: A search reveals that there exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:N. There are no independent, reliable sources of information about this crash. The ASN source cites airdisaster.ru as its source of information, airdisaster.ru does not cite any sources itself and has been the topic of a past discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru. Most of the currently uncited material in the article is a close paraphrase of the limited information that appears on airdisaster.ru, and the baaa-acro.com source is a WP:SPS. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. RecycledPixels (talk) 18:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. ~~Once suitable sources are found, it can be made a standalone article. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Soviet aviation task force/Notability.~~Meltdown627 (talk) 16:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s per above. BilletsMauves^€500 08:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1952 Aeroflot Ilyushin Il-12 crash

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:N. The Soviet Union was notoriously tight-lipped about aviation accidents that occurred in that era, and many domestic accidents were never widely reported. This article is based primarily on what appears on the airdisaster.ru website, which was briefly discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru a couple of months ago. I found that discussion by searching for such a discussion, as my gut feeling was already telling me that this isn't a reliable source, and the "sources of information" field on the entry on that site has been left blank. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. RecycledPixels (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. Once suitable sources are found, it can be made a standalone article. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Soviet aviation task force/Notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltdown627 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete: does seem notable as an accident causing several fatalities, I just can't find any sources on it besides ASN and other accident databases. Sir MemeGod  19:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of entertainment events at the Olimpiyskiy Stadium

AfDs for this article:

Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at the SM Mall of Asia complex

Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at the Olimpiyskiy Stadium (2nd nomination)

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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. No inclusion criteria, very weak referencing. mikeblas (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Serbia

Sidi Mara

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There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree if no changes to the article are made to the article, the deletion is proper. Orhov (talk) 21:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FK Sloboda Čačak

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Serbian football club fails WP:GNG. This article was deleted under WP:A7 almost 10 years ago, and it has only recently been undeleted. GTrang (talk) 03:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment It was undeleted for a reason, did you bother to find out why and see if that person who request can improve the article? Govvy (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, being a third-tier club it seems reasonably well established and integrated in Serbian football. Geschichte (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Geschichte. — Sadko (words are wind) 12:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is notable due to its existence for over 70 years. Karol739 (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. The points above are valid, but without sources they are meaningless. Giant Snowman 13:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Slovakia

Dávid Petrík

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The article of this young Slovak men's footballer has been tagged for notability for two years. He played a total of 378 minutes in the Slovakia's highest league to date. In terms of reliable secondary sources, I only found passing mentions from squad list, such as Ref 1 and Ref 2). Consider that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their countries, I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kristína Košíková

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak women's footballer. The only secondary source I found is an interview, but nothing else to pass WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tobiáš Diviš

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. He only played 48 matches in lower leagues. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The correct facts are 23 matches in Slovakia's highest league and 30 in the second league. Geschichte (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henrich Ručkay

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak ice hockey player. A source that is the closest to significant coverage is Teraz. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment : No English source. If no reliable source about the subject then I see a delete vote for me here.--Gabriel (……?) 01:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Spain

FC Barcelona–Manchester United F.C. rivalry

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article fails to even explain the actual existence of any purported rivalry, nevermind one that is notable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. the article could be sourced better, with this BBC article being one, but past that, I can't find anymore sources past head to head pages. SparklessPlug (talk | contribs) 13:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. The NYT source is good, but not enough. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Enough with these head to head articles, too many of them. There is certainly coverage, but how we use sources and what we do with the content is one thing. You do get rivalries like Spurs-Arsenal, Manchester Derby, the Madrid derby, however, this one. I don't think it really counts. Govvy (talk) 13:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete just because head to head stats between teams exists, that doesn't mean it's an actual rivalry. I see no reliable sources in the article that actually call this a rivalry. We need to stop the creation of these "random teams X and Y that only play occasionally" rivalry articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not for something someone made up one day. Geschichte (talk) 20:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MásMóvil

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lack of notable sources and link to meet notability RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination --Jiaoriballisse (talk) 11:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kira Hagi

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Her acting roles are small or in movies that aren't notable themselves and she hasn't established herself as a notable artist. While there is considerable media attention, much of it feels sensationalistic. I might be overlooking something since I don’t speak Romanian but her notability shouldn't simply stem from her father being a famous footballer (WP:INVALIDBIO) Ynsfial (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. She seems to have notability on her own as an actress, though is hard for me to evaluate the notability of the films she acted in.Anonimu (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be kept, she seems notable in her own country Natlaur (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gheorghe_Hagi#Personal_life -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share the same thoughts, I've seen Kira Hagi's article and honestly I think the Article still have what to be improved, as the movies she acted in, e.g. 167.250.71.19 (talk) 21:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spain–Suriname relations

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This article is mainly based on primary sources. The countries' interaction appears very minor and limited to diplomatic recognition. No embassies, state visits, agreements, significant migration or trade which typically add to notable relations. LibStar (talk) 23:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hmm I browsed around for some Dutch sources, but niks, nada. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shunkun Tani

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His claim to notability, playing 5 matches in the Japanese third league as well as some amateur competitions, is very weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment What about the sources on ja:谷俊勲 ? Did you check them out? Govvy (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darpan Sanghvi

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A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Also, Wikipedia is not a resume hosting site WP:NOTRESUME. TCBT1CSI (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cristina Gallardo-Domâs

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Unreferenced BLP. Not clear that subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 01:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've added some references for the artist. I've NO idea I they are suitable. I will have a look again tomorrow.Knitsey (talk) 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anything is better than what we had, which was nothing. Thank you for your effort.4meter4 (talk) 00:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. There might be some more refs I can find. Knitsey (talk) 00:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added more refs. There might be more to come. I would really like for someone to take a look to see if they're suitable? Knitsey (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should say, I haven't really editied the article much, just provided refs for what was already there. I will re-work it a bit if this AfD results in keep. I need to check on the date order for all the operas listed. Knitsey (talk) 16:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Prefer to see further improvement rather than deleting. --Mervyn (talk) 09:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sweden

Swedish exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Närkes Kils SK

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I tried my best in Swedish language sources but could not find significant, independent coverage about this sports club, only brief mentions in listings. Not enough to pass WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Very strong keep: List or not. Bolletinen has one of the strongest sports online databases in Swedish. J 1982 (talk) 07:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It will be great if you can help add some references in Swedish to improve the article and prove the club's notability! Lâm (talk) 08:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has already been done with the Bolletinen source. "Maratontabell för högsta damserien 1978–2003" means "all-time table for the women's top division 1978–2003". J 1982 (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That the publisher is reliable (which I think it most likely is) is not the only criterion for notability, though. That the club appears in a table doesn't make it notable per WP:NTEAM. I do find a bit of coverage of the table tennis section, e.g. [135] and [136] – though I wonder whether those newspapers might be a bit too local to really work towards showing notability. In any case, a) the spelling "Nerikes Kils SK" is more frequent than the spelling with "ä", and b) if the article is kept, it needs a lot of work, and it ought to include more than just a brief mention of the football team in the 1970s. I don't really have an opinion at the moment about its notability. --bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Switzerland

Ismet Osmani

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Modest career with 63 minutes in Austria’s second highest league, as well as some games in Albania’s second tier, Austria’s third tier and Germany’s fourth tier. I can't find any significant coverage, only articles about an accused criminal of the same name. Geschichte (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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